Mega Thread Oh yeah ... did you know there are 17 other teams? - General AFL discussion #9 - Blues posters only

[Robbo's my hero]

do my own gardening?

I'm chained to the back yard while you're enjoying meat pies and coffees. Extremely envious.

 

[happydude]

I wish we had 22 on field blokes that hit as hard as Mumford and shared his enthusiasm for a proper hit - mongrel factor is a necessary requirement for success in a contact sport.

Am I wrong?

While I agree it feels like you post something like this everyday haha

 

[JustaBattler]

Not necessarily. You get hit hard enough and it can "rattle " your brain with absolutely no head contact

Spot on - I have had two such incidents happen to players I coached in rugby.

While I agree it feels like you post something like this everyday haha

I should have put in quotes what I was responding to - I'm not THAT much of a mono-skeptic personality...

 

[Coops93]

Apologies if it has been discussed, but was Cotchins 38 disposal game against Collingwood the worst 35+ disposal game of all time?

I mean it really was embarrassing the way they were trying to give him the ball. It was such a concerted effort to get him into form. But all it did was allow him go get handball receives when he has absolutely no right be to receiving them. I don't know about Richmond supporters, but if I saw a game where Murphy was being gift wrapped that many possessions I would be questioning Bolton's coaching (as it was clearly a pre-conceived effort to give him as much of the ball as possible) but also the rest of the squad, who feel as if they have to give the ball to there captain because he can't get it on his own. Also, not only that, but to follow it up with 0 tackles?!? I mean, I know you can be out of form and not get the ball, but tackling shows your effort and intensity, of which he clearly had none besides the easy get. Cripps finished with sub 20 possessions on the weekend but backed it up with 10 tackles. That's a guy you want to build a team around, even when being limited still gutting it out and doing the dirty work for the team.

I'm sorry, but that is one of the worst games I've seen by a captain. The fact he had 38 makes it worse, not better.

 

[HARKER]

Apologies if it has been discussed, but was Cotchins 38 disposal game against Collingwood the worst 35+ disposal game of all time?

I mean it really was embarrassing the way they were trying to give him the ball. It was such a concerted effort to get him into form. But all it did was allow him go get handball receives when he has absolutely no right be to receiving them. I don't know about Richmond supporters, but if I saw a game where Murphy was being gift wrapped that many possessions I would be questioning Bolton's coaching (as it was clearly a pre-conceived effort to give him as much of the ball as possible) but also the rest of the squad, who feel as if they have to give the ball to there captain because he can't get it on his own. Also, not only that, but to follow it up with 0 tackles?!? I mean, I know you can be out of form and not get the ball, but tackling shows your effort and intensity, of which he clearly had none besides the easy get. Cripps finished with sub 20 possessions on the weekend but backed it up with 10 tackles. That's a guy you want to build a team around, even when being limited still gutting it out and doing the dirty work for the team.

I'm sorry, but that is one of the worst games I've seen by a captain. The fact he had 38 makes it worse, not better.

The whole thing stunk.

Can't believe a team would compromise it's own efforts in order to get an individual into the game. Maybe they didn't but it sure looked that way.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Apologies if it has been discussed, but was Cotchins 38 disposal game against Collingwood the worst 35+ disposal game of all time?

I mean it really was embarrassing the way they were trying to give him the ball. It was such a concerted effort to get him into form. But all it did was allow him go get handball receives when he has absolutely no right be to receiving them. I don't know about Richmond supporters, but if I saw a game where Murphy was being gift wrapped that many possessions I would be questioning Bolton's coaching (as it was clearly a pre-conceived effort to give him as much of the ball as possible) but also the rest of the squad, who feel as if they have to give the ball to there captain because he can't get it on his own. Also, not only that, but to follow it up with 0 tackles?!? I mean, I know you can be out of form and not get the ball, but tackling shows your effort and intensity, of which he clearly had none besides the easy get. Cripps finished with sub 20 possessions on the weekend but backed it up with 10 tackles. That's a guy you want to build a team around, even when being limited still gutting it out and doing the dirty work for the team.

I'm sorry, but that is one of the worst games I've seen by a captain. The fact he had 38 makes it worse, not better.

I'd rather see Cripps get 18 if 16 are contested, and 8 are clearances, to go with 10 tackles, instead of 38 with 13 contested at 68%. He had an extra 20 touches and still only had 8 clearances.

 

[HBF]

The whole thing stunk.

Can't believe a team would compromise it's own efforts in order to get an individual into the game. Maybe they didn't but it sure looked that way.

Cotchins little dinky kicks and around the back handball recieves have next to no impact on the game. His 38 touches on Friday night would be equivalent to about 18 touches for anyone else.

 

[HARKER]

Cotchins little dinky kicks and around the back handball recieves have next to no impact on the game. His 38 touches on Friday night would be equivalent to about 18 touches for anyone else.

Or 9 of Cyrils.......you know.......Cyrils are worth twice anybody elses......and four times that of Cotchin.

 

[Jatz]

Or 9 of Cyrils.......you know.......Cyrils are worth twice anybody elses......and four times that of Cotchin.

To be fair, Cyril's normally are fairly significant.

 

[HBF]

To be fair, Cyril's normally are fairly significant.

But the way people go on about them is seriously over the top.
He can do what he does because he's in a bloody good team.

 

[Aphrodite]

To be fair, Cyril's normally are fairly significant.

5 minute Thyrill!

 

[passmark]

I don't have the hate for Cotchin that a lot of people do.

He could be a terrific player and could drag his team over the line (he's done it before) but he chooses not too.

 

[TheCoach16]

Apologies if it has been discussed, but was Cotchins 38 disposal game against Collingwood the worst 35+ disposal game of all time?

I mean it really was embarrassing the way they were trying to give him the ball. It was such a concerted effort to get him into form. But all it did was allow him go get handball receives when he has absolutely no right be to receiving them. I don't know about Richmond supporters, but if I saw a game where Murphy was being gift wrapped that many possessions I would be questioning Bolton's coaching (as it was clearly a pre-conceived effort to give him as much of the ball as possible) but also the rest of the squad, who feel as if they have to give the ball to there captain because he can't get it on his own. Also, not only that, but to follow it up with 0 tackles?!? I mean, I know you can be out of form and not get the ball, but tackling shows your effort and intensity, of which he clearly had none besides the easy get. Cripps finished with sub 20 possessions on the weekend but backed it up with 10 tackles. That's a guy you want to build a team around, even when being limited still gutting it out and doing the dirty work for the team.

I'm sorry, but that is one of the worst games I've seen by a captain. The fact he had 38 makes it worse, not better.

Spot on. Easily the worst 38 possession game ever witnessed. I said it during the game, it was embarrassing that the men he is supposedly leading felt they had to go out of their way to give him a pity possession.
As a coach, I don't mind the tactic, I sometimes use it if I have a guy coming back from injury, or a good player a little down on confidence. Get them a nice easy touch early to build belief. But I'll have a quiet word with one or two ball getters to do it early in the game. NOT the entire team for the entire game. It was a bad look for the captain of a footy club...

 

[Jabba73]

To be fair, Cyril's normally are fairly special.

 

[Omega Blue]

I don't have the hate for Cotchin that a lot of people do.

He could be a terrific player and could drag his team over the line (he's done it before) but he chooses not too.

My dislike for him stems from kreuzer always being compared to him. In terms of draft position.

 

[Sector 7G]

Hardwick still gave him coaches votes (I assume Buckley gave 2 votes to Houli and none to Cotch as both had 4 votes and one got 2x2 and 1 got 4 and zero) which is a big part of Trents problems is that his coach isn't holding him to account.

 

[Jatz]

But the way people go on about them is seriously over the top.
He can do what he does because he's in a bloody good team.

And if he wore navy blue, we'd all gush the same. He can do what he does because he's bloody talented and works hard.

I don't think those that gush about him like Dermie are right but he's one hell of a player!

 

[HARKER]

I don't have the hate for Cotchin that a lot of people do.

He could be a terrific player and could drag his team over the line (he's done it before) but he chooses not too.

I doubt anyone truly dislikes Cotchin.
Some of remarks may stem from the rubbish that came from opposition supporters (largely Richmond) towards Murphy.

Cotchin is fine and I'm sure he'll get back to where he was. Has time on his side and maybe captaincy just isn't his go.

 

[Iamcarlton]

Did he actually collect him high or was it just that Duncan hit his head on the turf?

I've only seen it a couple of times but I didn't have a problem with it (assuming the contact itself wasn't high).

I think its pretty clear cut many won't agree but he hit him high he was half out of it before he hit the ground . You don't run into mummy or mummy run into you and come out smelling roses . The rule says head contact and your in trouble , duty of care has to be shown by the player tackling or bumping these days at least should have been looked into . But alas not its one of the expansion clubs nothing to answer , if it was us 2 weeks at least .

 

[Jatz]

I think its pretty clear cut many won't agree but he hit him high he was half out of it before he hit the ground . You don't run into mummy or mummy run into you and come out smelling roses . The rule says head contact and your in trouble , duty of care has to be shown by the player tackling or bumping these days at least should have been looked into . But alas not its one of the expansion clubs nothing to answer , if it was us 2 weeks at least .

Did he actually hit him high? I didn't notice any head contact (I could very well be wrong though).

 

[Iamcarlton]

Well I reckon he did others probably think he didn't looked like his head rammed into mummy's chest but as I said duty of care

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Did he actually hit him high? I didn't notice any head contact (I could very well be wrong though).

I don't see how he couldn't have. He didn't actually wrap him up in a tackle. He braced himself and barreled into him after leaving the ground. His arm happened to end up around his waist when they landed on the ground, but he didn't take the contact that way. His head never hits the ground and, as others have stated, he might have been concussed just from the force of the impact, but I can't see how he didn't get him high. The footage is a little hard to tell though. Interestingly, the link that MEB posted in the MRP thread, that showed the impact from about 3 different angles (some more telling than others), does not work any more, and the new link on the AFL site to the MRP verdict, only shows a shorter version with one angle and no replays.
You're right that it's hard to notice any direct high contact though.
I like a good hip and shoulder that leaves a guy dazed and confused as much as the next, but I think this was just a shirt front with no intention other than to make him hurt. Even if you want to stretch the definition of it to a tackle, it still has plenty of triggers for a suspension. He had a duty of care, he left the ground, it was high (even if direct head contact can't be seen in the footage - highly contentious point though), it was high impact, it was reckless and it resulted in injury.
These are the best grabs I could get from the limited angle video.

 

[Tony Lynn 15]

Or 9 of Cyrils.......you know.......Cyrils are worth twice anybody elses......and four times that of Cotchin.

...and 25 times anyone else's if Bruce is commentating!

 

[TheCoach16]

Did he actually hit him high? I didn't notice any head contact (I could very well be wrong though).

There was no high contact. The action looked to be perfectly within the rules. It looks bad because Duncan was in a vulnerable position and mummy is a monster. But essentially it was a tackle, no more, no less. There was no duty of care here, it was one footballer tackling another.

 

[Tony Lynn 15]

There was no high contact. The action looked to be perfectly within the rules. It looks bad because Duncan was in a vulnerable position and mummy is a monster. But essentially it was a tackle, no more, no less. There was no duty of care here, it was one footballer tackling another.

I tell ya what it was, it was a big bastard colliding with a smaller bastard. I reckon Mumford could have absolutely killed him but he actually held back.