Play Nice Eddie McGuire comments on holding Caro Wilson underwater

[Run n Spread]

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Just apologise. Don't quantify or justify. Or maybe just maybe keep your gob shut and work on your job (which Eddie is incredibly good at) but seems incapable of doing.

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

What a cop out....and i'm not your buddy!

Where was the AFL when Dustin Martin affair was twisted to make the victim look like a liar? Caro was right there in the thick of it.

She sits besides Russell and Shaw who says and that's a FACT and joins in a similar banter and nothing comes of it. Shaw says "I'll hold her under" and all she says is "Oh Boys please"

She it took it as it was intended tongue in cheek.

For the 1millionth time.....Tony Shaw did not say that!!!!!
Why are people so friggin stupid????

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Does it make any difference if she wasn't with the MMM boys?

It doesn't. She could always respond once she was aware of it. It's only used as means of differentiating 3AW and MMM, so as not to throw the 3AW guys under the bus.

 

[barmy44]

Does it make any difference if she wasn't with the MMM boys?

It doesn't. She could always respond once she was aware of it. It's only used as means of differentiating 3AW and MMM, so as not to throw the 3AW guys under the bus.

it does make a difference... to put it simply, saying to a friend of yours 'you c***!' while both joking around is unlikely to ruin the friendship. if that friend found out you had been sitting around a room with 3 other mutual friends telling them what a c*** he is, and egging them on to also lay into him, that friend might reconsider your friendship. both situations carry the same word, but very different motives/intent.

context is always important. its why there is, for example, discretion in criminal sentencing.

 

[Blueboys11]

Their board is weak. Accepted Eddie's apology.

A noose around his neck from the nearest flag pole would of been much more appropriate hey?

He shouldn't have had to front the board in the first place. This is just bloody ridiculous now

I'm sure I'll get pillored for this, but if this is a peak into the future of more woman being involved in football, then maybe less is best

 

[Fadge]

You are making a fool of yourself. A primary school student could see the difference in the two matters. To once again attempt to make it clear she was able to defend herself in one and not the other. McGuire made several references that were borderline defamatory including referring to Wilson as a black widow. You clearly have not the slightest idea of the difference between banter and personal abuse. And you keep raising matters that are irrelevant to this issue.

With all due respect, that is your opinion.

The alternative perspective as represented by JackFlash and many others is equally valid.

 

[DazalenkoUBewty]

What a joke this has become...

Send Caro down that slippery-dip and move on already...

She's been a thorn in many a side for a long time now.

Journo's are a different breed.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

it does make a difference... to put it simply, saying to a friend of yours 'you c***!' while both joking around is unlikely to ruin the friendship. if that friend found out you had been sitting around a room with 3 other mutual friends telling them what a c*** he is, and egging them on to also lay into him, that friend might reconsider your friendship. both situations carry the same word, but very different motives/intent.

context is always important. its why there is, for example, discretion in criminal sentencing.

That's only if your friend is ripping into behind your back, you're deliberately not supposed to know.

Caro isn't mates with anyone from MMM. Those guys said what they said on the air. They weren't trying to hide anything.

 

[alpC]

http://www.snappytv.com/tc/2197213/1096458 this gives a great view.

I think think this guy nailed it, simple, concise.

Caro is the opportunistic one here.

 

[Feerits Elf]

A noose around his neck from the nearest flag pole would of been much more appropriate hey?

*would have

I'm sure I'll get pillored for this

*pilloried

but if this is a peak into the future

*peek

of more woman being involved in football

*women

then maybe less is best

Nah you're entitled to your opinion brah

 

[barmy44]

That's only if your friend is ripping into behind your back, you're deliberately not supposed to know.

Caro isn't mates with anyone from MMM. Those guys said what they said on the air. They weren't trying to hide anything.

so one joke was with her, one was at her. i think theres a clear difference between the two, but seems we disagree... nothing wrong with that.

 

[Ice-Wolf]

Maybe the role wears you down?

Power corrupts.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

With all due respect, that is your opinion.

The alternative perspective as represented by JackFlash and many others is equally valid.

I'm not sure these perspectives are particularly relevant. Caro's position herself is that the comments by McGuire and co were not acceptable because they don't like her.

Just can't see how the perspective of someone who isn't involved as to the difference between the two or lack thereof is equally valid as the recipients perspective.

 

[barmy44]

Even though I don't see sexism in the comments made, as a standalone and I know people have ripped into Caroline Wilson for finding sexism in the comments, which in itself is ridiculous to attack the person who was minding their own business and was drawn into it by the guys joking about her (i.e victim blaming), one thing we have to consider is that Caro feels like Eddie is sexist towards her, an opinion built by previous interactions (of which none of us can comment on), and other behaviours that are public knowledge (Jessica Rowe boning for example).

Seems we have been here before though. The Adam Goodes booing was considered to be racist by a large amount of people. In isolation people don't see it, so the community ended up running with how it was received. Perhaps multiple isolated incidents add up to a overwhelming perception.

Maybe no racism was intended .... maybe no sexism was intended, but it seems that everybody in the AFL industry should be aware of history and how things are received, Eddie more than most perhaps.

We can't determine intent of sexism based on isolated incidents, but maybe we are not close enough and perhaps shouldn't be as vehement and angry in declaring there was none. We certainly shouldn't be attacking the very person who already felt like she had been attacked, simply because she didn't come out, have a laugh and pass it off as a big nothing so we can all go about our business.

Seems like a few people complaining about the PC outrage, have been quite outraged about the outrage and you'd have to ask yourself ... why are you angry? Is it a challenge to your own views on accepted behaviours or do you feel your freedom to say certain things and be a certain way under scrutiny?

For many, it shouldn't be an issue to consider how what you say might tie into a bigger picture. Won't upset our lives too much, will it?

Whilst I hadn't quite thought about it in that way, the highlighted is probably my concern.

Being accused of encouraging violence against women, whether directly or through inference, is an incredibly harsh accusation in todays environment.

It's almost like being accused of being a kiddie fiddler, or that you rob little old ladies - it has a stigma and tends to stick. In that way, it needs to be an accusation that is only levelled when you are REALLY sure that it is warranted.

It bothers me that despite the utter buffoonery of the comments, that people were so quick to label in this way.

without trying to take sides or pick a fight, i think this is something that really hinders these conversations online.

if you dont have a problem with the comments, you either are, or perceive yourself to be, labelled with the 'ism' in question. it then descends quite quickly into two remote extremes arguing around the actual issue.

to try and put what i mean into a simple form: a person can say something sexist without 'being a sexist'; say something racist without 'being a racist'; bully someone without 'being a bully'; etc

in eddies case, i think he has possibly done something sexist here, he is clearly bullying someone here, and he has done something racist in the past. however, i dont think eddie is by nature either sexist or racist. i do think he is a bully.

 

[Fadge]

I think think this guy nailed it, simple, concise.

Caro is the opportunistic one here.

Absolutely agree.

Any comments from the likes of AM and Old Dark Navys on this?

AM - this is the alternative opinion to yours.

 

[Fadge]

I'm not sure these perspectives are particularly relevant. Caro's position herself is that the comments by McGuire and co were not acceptable because they don't like her.

Just can't see how the perspective of someone who isn't involved as to the difference between the two or lack thereof is equally valid as the recipients perspective.

Devil's advocate - many see Caro's position as a 'convenient' position to take.

 

[SmAshmoto]

The media, Caro, feminist agenda pushers and professional complainers just will not let this die.

Eddie has apologised, Gil has accepted it. What else can be done?

This has become more embarrassing than the initial incident. It's like Adam Goodes all over again. I'm ****ing sick of this political correctness bullshit.

 

[peppy la pew]

I think think this guy nailed it, simple, concise.

Caro is the opportunistic one here.

Commonsense prevails

 

[Sweetback]

All this goes to show that while the world is going one way, dinosaurs like Eddie go the other.

 

[Spook]

Holden is welcome to join the Doggies, a family friendly community team and staff that would never do something like this.

It would have been a perfect fit however, Holden don't make the Gemini any more.

 

[Bostonian]

The media, Caro, feminist agenda pushers and professional complainers just will not let this die.

Eddie has apologised, Gil has accepted it. What else can be done?

This has become more embarrassing than the initial incident. It's like Adam Goodes all over again. I'm ******* sick of this political correctness bullshit.

Make your vote count.

 

[Lacustrus]

The person I feel for in all this is Wayne Carey.

McGuire: What do you reckon guys? Who else is up there? I know you’re in JB?
Brayshaw: No, yep, straight in.
Frawley: I’ll be in amongst it Ed.
McGuire: Is Duck there?
Carey: Yes, I’m here mate.
McGuire: Duck’s in.

WTF? Poor old Carey was doing his level best just to follow the conversation, nek minnit he's a domestic violence advocate by association (past indiscretions notwithstanding).

Gold!

 

[Bostonian]

All this goes to show that while the world is going one way, dinosaurs like Eddie go the other.

You must not keep up with world trends, the push back against the triggered people is starting to happen.

 

[Sweetback]

You must not keep up with world trends, the push back against the triggered people is starting to happen.

Yeah, there are a lot more sad blokes trolling people online.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Absolutely agree.

Any comments from the likes of AM and Old Dark Navys on this?

AM - this is the alternative opinion to yours.

I've already made comment on the divisive language championed by Paul Murray.

For one, he uses the outrage machine as a derogatory term for people who had a problem with it, and at the end of the day it was just a chance for a far right commentator to have a shot at someone on the other side of politics.

He excuses the behaviour by saying that McGuire and Wilson have been throwing things at each other for years. He has reduced it to a mutual dislike and all behaviours contained within that. Does she do the same things he does? Does she goes outside the scope of her profession to make distasteful remarks about him? Murray fails on this point because he reduces it to something that is quite beside the point.

Then he cynically says when a media personality gets the chance to play victim .... whoa ho off you go sister. So she is playing victim. Right, so let's ignore the fact for a moment that she didn't raise this and was not the first person to make comment on it. How on earth can he make the assertion that she is 'playing' victim? How does he know that she isn't genuinely offended? He said the comments were terrible and weird, yet gives her a bake for being offended herself because of the same joke being made by Shaw and Russell.

So people are holding up this crap opinion piece by Murray as some uncomfortable truth, then asking people here for comment, despite the fact that the very thing he talks about has been mentioned and responded to dozens of times in this very thread. Are we supposed to find Murray more compelling than when a poster in here raises it? Where are Murray's credentials as far as what constitutes offense, and when a joke is banter and when it is bullying?

Did he go on to convey the follow up part where McGuire made it clear he dislikes Caro and the way she operates, when he tried to convince Barrett not to support her? Does nobody think that demonstrates some malice that is unlike what Shaw and Russell were saying in front of Caro?

Nah, you get nowhere telling half a story and mispresenting the facts.

As for the last bit about statistics released today that did not get a lot of attention, therefore invalidating everybody's opinion about the specific Wilson incident, what a mischievous piece of rubbish journalism that is.

Every specific incident draws thousands of comments, a lot of concern. Plenty of people offended by this incident have had a lot to say about domestic violence and particularly when there is a human face to it. To suggest that not commenting on some statistics with not a lot of context behind them, somehow makes you disingenuous for commenting on this incident is a ridiculous assertion. Absolute sleight of hand and typical tabloid rubbish by one of the most selective faux outragers in journalism.

I await having to address the same point yet again, when someone else drops a lazy link as though they have somehow found the holy grail.