The BigFooty Liverpool Army

[Cooldude]

We were a bees dick away from winning the league a lot due to Sturridge and Suarez, you need players like that to win the league, it's the top players to make the good ordinary players look better.

As it stands we can't attract those kind of players anymore, so I'd rather we just do the buy kids and develop route (except for our left back position coz we need someone good there now) than keep wasting money down the drain on overpriced players who can never win us the league

If we do anything this season it'd be because Jurgen Klopp is a brilliant manager and coach

 

[Zidane98]

Im not saying we shouldnt have a couple of vanilla players. It's just we have way too many vanilla players.

We should only have one of Lucas, Allen, Henderson and Milner. Not all four.

Lucas, Allen & Milner are pretty good squad players to call on. They shouldn't be starting though.

We've got problems if we're relying on any of those 3 for 30 games + per season though.

 

[Dylan8]

We were a bees dick away from winning the league a lot due to Sturridge and Suarez, you need players like that to win the league, it's the top players to make the good ordinary players look better.

As it stands we can't attract those kind of players anymore, so I'd rather we just do the buy kids and develop route (except for our left back position coz we need someone good there now) than keep wasting money down the drain on overpriced players who can never win us the league

If we do anything this season it'd be because Jurgen Klopp is a brilliant manager and coach

Sturridge was a fringe Chelsea player. Suarez, granted, we should be after more of his ilk. Definitely. But he wasn't the end product he turned out to be until around the time Rodgers came in - from memory his finishing was a massive concern. Amazing how that turned around.

I reckon Firmino was exactly a Suarez type signing. It's come off in spades. But there's still success to be had in buying from PL teams. We just have to be more savvy negotiators.

 

[Zidane98]

He constantly splashed big money on big players, he knew that you need players like that to win trophies

He also signed plenty of workhorses that be knew he could rely on.

A team full of stars will not win you the league. Man United post SAF are a pretty clear example of this.

 

[Del80659]

Attacking Mid Depth:
Phil, Bob, Lallana, Alberto, Ibe, Markovic, Ojo,

Left Back Depth:
Moreno Flannagan Smith

Yet we are splashing $30m on a unproven attacker who realistically hasnt proven himself to be better than any of the above. Yet we are sticking with Moreno who single handedly cost us Europa as well as about 15 other goals throughout the year.

do you think Sadio Mane hasn't proven to the world he's more capable of consistent Premier League footy than Luis Alberto? i don't see those last 4 players as anything. Markovic and Alberto will be sold and Ibe will be extremely lucky to stay.

world class managers don't think like shit managers and i think we've been conditioned by shit managers lately. good managers don't need to see Markovic in 4 preseason games before deciding they're not good enough, they already know what they need in every position to succeed, especially Klopp with his year 0, he knows. that's why we're going for a proven man rather than betting on a few kids.

from what i've gathered world class managers never really gamble, that's why they get players they want in and play the men they trust and ignore kids unless they're freaks. the season is always too important to gamble - the next game is always too important to gamble. having 3 wide maybe players and 0 wide decent players is far too great a gamble to go into a season with.

 

[Cooldude]

He also signed plenty of workhorses that be knew he could rely on.

A team full of stars will not win you the league. Man United post SAF are a pretty clear example of this.

Those workhorses he don't sign for big money most times, it usually comes from the academy. And those players only ever look better when carried by the superstars, their plight after he retired shows that once those stars stopped performing or are gone, those players got exposed

Ask City whether they prefer a James Milner or De Bruyne

 

[Venkman]

I think Leicester (and us when we came second) shows that you don't need a superstar squad but just a few guys to go to superstar level at the right moment. For us that could be Cout, Firm and Sturra. Perhaps this is where Klopp sees it, he just needs other guys that can do their job.
Agree with the need to a top top CM though. I think we should pay overs for someone in that area - make someone an offer they can't refuse.

 

[Cooldude]

Problem with Zielinski is Poland plays him no.10 or third mid, he isn't really a defensive colossus so to speak, and our main problem with midfield is not enough defensive cover

We score enough goals but concede too many leads, so as you say I'd rather splash the cash on a very good mid or LB, improve the defense, and leave someone like Mane

 

[Dylan8]

Problem with Zielinski is Poland plays him no.10 or third mid, he isn't really a defensive colossus so to speak, and our main problem with midfield is not enough defensive cover

We score enough goals but concede too many leads, so as you say I'd rather splash the cash on a very good mid or LB, improve the defense, and leave someone like Mane

I still think Can and Henderson at the base of midfield can work and would prefer to buy that third, higher up mid, freeing up Coutinho to play as a cutting in winger where he can use his killer ability to finish or lay off a through ball.

 

[Cooldude]

Yeah Can and Hendo in the midfield should be fine, although I'd still like a bit more passing ability, but one of those who can defend and pass don't grow on trees. Problem is one of them has to convert themselves to be more of a shielder, coz Can has this tendency of charging forward even though he is literally the last midfield guy and leave us open for the counter

I just don't wanna see Milner in a midfield two again, he should be roaming as one of the 3 behind

 

[Zidane98]

Milner will be a squad option going forward. Good player to bring on out wide and also useful playing the defensive role on the wing against better teams. Milner will not be a starting XI player unless we sudder another injury crisis.

 

[Cooldude]

Mane does actually improve us even though I'm miffed at the money thrown at him, him on the right makes us far more a balanced attack and opens up new possibilities

But with the cost he's coming at, I expect 15 league goals, he is capable of doing it mind

 

[Dylan8]

Lol, not sure if it was mentioned but I've just cottoned on to Mane's price tag in the media changing to 25m in the last 12 hours.

 

[craigos]

I would rather we keep Benteke than go for Mane, I just don't think he is worth that kind of money. He is a good player but one I wouldn't pay more than 15 million for. I understand it's an easy buy as there's no adjustment period to life/football in England, no issue with work permit, barley missed a game in the past two years etc etc but surely we can buy better elsewhere.

Sick of buying at inflated costs from the same f*cking club every year. Southampton paid 12 million for him 2 years ago, we should be looking at doing the same. I swear our recruiters only have one passport between them all.

 

[Dylan8]

Bruh if we keep Benteke I'm gonna burn all my Liverpool memorabilia not really but he's 99% gawn like Max.

Mane actually adds genuine pace to our attacking midfield line and is a goal scorer in the Premier League.

 

[Cooldude]

Now Echo says instead of Chilwell we're going for Andrew Robertson

 

[jod23]

No. It's very clear what I was saying. That people railing against buying from the EPL or 'vanilla' players weren't really being fair. I have no problem keeping all the players you have mentioned. Allen has been great as a squad player, but he unsurprisingly wants first team football so we probably can't afford to keep him just for that. Lallana I think may be the same sort of player, but Klopp clearly likes his hard-work and he has stepped up. If Klopp wants to keep backing him, he can add more goals to his game. He has scored a few. Milner and Hendo have both lost goal-mouth influence by playing further back but both have real quality. I would keep them ahead of the others you have mentioned. I also think you are forgetting how good Ings was looking under Rodgers before his injury.

And BlueBen's idea that people are 'accepting mediocrity' is frankly silly. If we all protest and get FSG kicked out for not getting us the players we want then I think there's a greater chance of us falling further from the top spot than getting closer. Your 'accepting mediocrity' is our 'accepting the existence of big money clubs'. We can compete with all clubs, but there is a lot of big money washing around and statistically and practically that means we will miss out on the top level players until we can make the case on the pitch and make people believe in the 'project'.

I cant agree with any of this.

There is a reason we should be railing against buying form the PL or "vanilla" players because since we have started doing this (late Rafa up until now) we have won precisely dick all. One League Cup which we needed to win on pens against a Championship side I believe.

Joe Allen, Hendo, Milner and Lallana should be squad players. Not starting XI players. Milner came from City where he was a squad player. City have won two league titles and a League Cup off the top of my head in the last few years and made a CL semi. Fine when Milner is a squad player but he is behind better players.

The problem with us is that those guys arent behind better players. All four are honestly fine to be at Liverpool. They are all very good footballers, but not absolute top drawer so they shouldnt be starting games. Henderson is the closest to being a starter.

The reason people use the word "vanilla" is because it sums them up. They are all neat and tidy, work hard, and are all good to very good at what they do. But none of them go above that.

Lallana is really easy on the eye with almost zero end product. You can say Klopp loves his work ethic and technique etc. That's great. But we could find a ton of players out there with similar technique to Lallana and similar engine and ability to work hard but then who also has end product.

Allen the same. Neat, tidy, works hard. We can find so many players who can do that.... and more.

Ings played like 3 or 4 games. Sure he scored a couple of goals but Ings is nothing more than back up. And you cant claim how great he is gonna be off a such a short sample.

I know you're a glass half full kinda guy and usually I try to stay positive too and I dont think our squad is gash or anything but we really need a huge injection of quality.

We have excellent talent like Coutinho, Sturridge, Firmino, Can but it's not enough. Then the squad starts to become really vanilla.

It might sound silly when I say we want to compete with Barcelona and Real Madrid. But it's not silly. We do. We are five time champions of europe. We are the most successful english team in history. Barca, Real, Chelsea, United, City etc have world class all over the pitch. Well not so much United anymore...

You can try to claim we dont have the money to compete with them but thats bullshit. We are the 8th richest club on the planet. We blow huge wads of cash on shite season after season.

We have the money. We just buy so incredibly poor. We should be far better than we are. We gotta stop wasting money on vanilla players. 25 million on Lallana is criminal.

 

[jod23]

Yeah, we were a bees dick away from winning the league with Glen Johnson, Mignolet, Jon Flanagan, etc in the first XI. There's a lot more to success than just personnel. I think a proper preseason under Klopp, a good run with injuries and our lack of fixture congestion will go a long way. Squad needs a clean out and fresh blood but the starting XI isn't as far away as you'd think.

Milner basically won us the game against arguably the best team in the Europa League and put up 15 assists for the year. Change your tune if his name was Milnerinho and he has an undercut?

You forget that in the same squad as Johnson, Flanno and Migs we also had Suarez, Sterling, Gerrard, Sturridge, Coutinho etc.

We've since lost Suarez, Gerrard and Sterling and Johnson has being replaced by an equal spud in Moreno. Yet we never replaced the other three adequately and still have Mignolet and Flanagan.

I've said many times Milner had a good season but he's not the answer moving forward. He's already old and really only works out wide.

 

[jod23]

Lucas, Allen & Milner are pretty good squad players to call on. They shouldn't be starting though.

We've got problems if we're relying on any of those 3 for 30 games + per season though.

Yep.

But none of those guys want to be squad players, they all want to play.

Last season, Milner played 45 games, Allen played in 34 and Lucas in 38.

We do have problems. They cant be playing that much if we are to move forward.

 

[jod23]

Now Echo says instead of Chilwell we're going for Andrew Robertson

 

[jod23]

Bruh if we keep Benteke I'm gonna burn all my Liverpool memorabilia not really but he's 99% gawn like Max.

Mane actually adds genuine pace to our attacking midfield line and is a goal scorer in the Premier League.

I dont mind us going for Mane. He does bring genuine pace to a front three. Firmino and Cout arent super fast. Lallana ... lol. Sturridge truly has lost a step since coming back. Origi is the only one with real pace.

The pricetag is way too high but we dont learn when buying from SouthEnglandhamton.

It's not my money though. So I cant really complain about the price.

What concerns me is his consistency. We dont need another guy who struggles with his consistency, we get that far too much from everyone else. His stats are pretty similar to our other attacking option but he does have upside.

The main problem with it is that surely we can find similar players to Mane overseas at a much cheaper price. Having said all that if Klopp really wants him, I've gotta trust that Klopp will suddenly turn him into a 20 goal season wide forward.

 

[Milenko]

Is that a picture of West Coast's midfield?

 

[jod23]

Is that a picture of West Coast's midfield?

Shuey but!

 

[Joker91]

Lallana is underrated on here.

 

[jod23]

Lallana is underrated on here.

Ugh.