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If we're going to make some rich guys richer, i'd like it to be via free healthcare as opposed to the usual Coalition methods.

Its not "free" healthcare. It's universal healthcare. If you're paying taxes, your money is paying for it. The only people it's free to is those that don't pay taxes - the poor, the unemployed and children.

When I go to get a blood test, I'm surprised that I don't have to pay anything for it. To me, that's wrong - unless everyone is getting blood work done, I'm quite happy to pay $5-$10 for the service. I don't expect something for nothing.

When something is viewed as being free, it has no value and is taken for granted. That's why you get losers with colds and flu clogging up public hospitals with their bullshit because they don't want to pay the gap to see a GP.

I'd rather see preventative measures like lowering the obesity rate by introducing a "fat tax" for people using Medicare services - if your fat percentage is over 25% you have to pay 10% extra for everything. This nation is sick because we've got too many people addicted to a sedintary lifestyle, eating fast food and not exercising enough. I promise you, if you hit people in the hip pocket the same way the government does for tobacco - all the health care problems would disappear because beds would be given to those who are actually sick through no fault of their own rather than self-inflicted conditions.

Of course, the government doesn't help when they are advocating low fat diets but not really explaining that they mean Omega-6 fats that are toxic to the body and not the Omega-3 fats that actually help increase muscle, burn fat, make you smarter and increase immunity. Another reason why supposedly "healthy" (according to the bullshit BMI scale) get sick easily, and those that think eating high carbohydrate and sugar foods that are advertised as "low fat" actually get worse because their body is no longer able to process it.

Take that fat tax and make it so that everyone has free access to a dietician to go along with universal healthcare, and presto - problem solved for like 70% of Australians.
 

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Its not "free" healthcare. It's universal healthcare. If you're paying taxes, your money is paying for it. The only people it's free to is those that don't pay taxes - the poor, the unemployed and children.

When I go to get a blood test, I'm surprised that I don't have to pay anything for it. To me, that's wrong - unless everyone is getting blood work done, I'm quite happy to pay $5-$10 for the service. I don't expect something for nothing.

When something is viewed as being free, it has no value and is taken for granted. That's why you get losers with colds and flu clogging up public hospitals with their bullshit because they don't want to pay the gap to see a GP.

I'd rather see preventative measures like lowering the obesity rate by introducing a "fat tax" for people using Medicare services - if your fat percentage is over 25% you have to pay 10% extra for everything. This nation is sick because we've got too many people addicted to a sedintary lifestyle, eating fast food and not exercising enough. I promise you, if you hit people in the hip pocket the same way the government does for tobacco - all the health care problems would disappear because beds would be given to those who are actually sick through no fault of their own rather than self-inflicted conditions.

Of course, the government doesn't help when they are advocating low fat diets but not really explaining that they mean Omega-6 fats that are toxic to the body and not the Omega-3 fats that actually help increase muscle, burn fat, make you smarter and increase immunity. Another reason why supposedly "healthy" (according to the bullshit BMI scale) get sick easily, and those that think eating high carbohydrate and sugar foods that are advertised as "low fat" actually get worse because their body is no longer able to process it.

Take that fat tax and make it so that everyone has free access to a dietician to go along with universal healthcare, and presto - problem solved for like 70% of Australians.

Poor smokers are still gonna smoke. Poor fatties are still gonna eat. Raising the tax on luxury items does little to deter people from using abd abusing.
 
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...... Take that fat tax and make it so that everyone has free access to a dietician to go along with universal healthcare, and presto - problem solved for like 70% of Australians.
 
Poor smokers are still gonna smoke. Poor fatties are still gonna eat. Raising the tax on luxury items does little to deter people from using abd abusing.
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This graph doesn't show the impact of humungous price rises in the last couple of years. I gave up 3 years ago and I am shocked at how much cigarettes cost these days. Cost is a massive driving factor.
 
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You'd be surprised at just how many health problems can be traced back to lifestyle choices. The human body - whether you believe it was designed or adapted to the environment over millions of years - is a masterpiece of engineering. For example - if you are deficient in iron, the body starts craving things that aren't food like dirt, clay and ice. Why? Because before the invention of refrigeration, those three things were only to be found in top soil - where massive amounts of iron are found. Plants can suffer from iron deficiency too, see.

And that's where animals that eat plants get their iron from. So it's a cycle :p

So your body is basically saying "**** this, I need iron bad right now. Don't care if you get sick, we'll deal with that later...go straight to the source and chew on some dirt!"
 
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This graph doesn't show the impact of humungous price rises in the last couple of years. I gave up 3 years ago and I am shocked at how much cigarettes cost these days. Cost is a massive driving factor.
Where I work about 5% of the people on staff, the higher paid employees, smoke, while about 20% of the wages employees smoke. Anecdotally it would seem that the people who can more afford are more likely to see the benefits in quitting.
 
.... You'd be surprised at just how many health problems can be traced back to lifestyle choices ......
Actually I wouldn't be surprised at all :)

My optimism comment was purely aimed at the part of your post I quoted, that giving people free access to dieticians is going to improve the eating habits of the people who have the worst eating habits.
 
Where I work about 5% of the people on staff, the higher paid employees, smoke, while about 20% of the wages employees smoke. Anecdotally it would seem that the people who can more afford are more likely to see the benefits in quitting.

I would say that's because they don't need the "buzz" of nicotine to deal with the rest of the shit in their lives. It's a statistical fact that in a recession, alcohol and tobacco consumption increase because people want to escape their problems.
 

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This graph doesn't show the impact of humungous price rises in the last couple of years. I gave up 3 years ago and I am shocked at how much cigarettes cost these days. Cost is a massive driving factor.

Depends on your priorities and how much importance you place on being able to smoke. Some people value it a lot, unfortunately more than what is best for them and their kids.
There's still a huge amount of people out there that use what's bad for them regardless of any consequence. Not everyone is equal in that regard. I just don't see how slogging people, many of whom are already of a low socio-economic background is going to make them all of a sudden care about their health and want to see a dietician.

All that aside, there's a shitload of money to be made by the pharmaceutical companies. Keeping people sick is profitable to some.
 

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