2016 US Presidential Election - Trump vs Clinton? - Part 1

[james Dean]

The question is what can Trump do to change the direction of the polling. He will need to run a disciplined message that avoids these self inflicted wounds (like the Khan situation), can he do it? Nothing so far indicates that he can.

Not a chance of that happening, a Clinton implosion is the only thing that could save Trump. I can't see how anybody could possibly be on the fence in regards to him by this stage, it's not as if there is any ambiguity about his character.

 

[swingdog]

Much like Apple's down ticket support of Republican candidates who hold the same regressive social views as the remainder of the Republican Party (which Apple openly opposes a progressive company) but support free trade and the cozy tax arrangements that Apple enjoys.

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[Cooldude]

We should know by now that's his style of speaking that appeals to his supporters and attracts attention

Yes, talking like an unhinged pathological lying moron and appealing to other unhinged morons who would boo families of military personnels, great appeal

He appeals to the worst of human kind, it ain't no feat doing what he does

 

[Badesumofu]

Trump on the New York Times: "They don't write good."

 

[SexyBlueGirl]

He is possibly the biggest narcissist in the world so there's one personality disorder right there

Long line of antisocial behaviour, another personality disorder right there

Seems pretty ADD so that's also possible

I actually am, it's literally my to-be profession, but your kind don't listen to experts, right? You'd rather do a Homer Simpson

If you're going to disqualify candidates on personality disorders.... well, good luck. Be a pretty bare field most election cycles.

 

[smokingjacket]

"The rise of the precariat" is an extensively discussed trend - it benefits educated urbanites with saleable skills who have the ability to tap into the new paradigm of intermittent/contract employment yet those who relied on more traditional employment are those who are disadvantaged the most.

I'm not sure it "benefits" anyone comparative to working conditions of the 20th century - try starting a family on contract - but certainly some are able to take advantage of the new paradigm better than others.

 

[Cooldude]

If you're going to disqualify candidates on personality disorders.... well, good luck. Be a pretty bare field most election cycles.

Luckily I didn't disqualify anyone then

 

[smokingjacket]

I don't think the Democrats as they exist right now have much to offer them:



http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/06/dems-need-better-answers-for-the-working-class.html

At the same time, these governments did little to compensate the “losers” of globalization; made it more difficult for workers to unionize; and further decreased their leverage over employers by cutting the social safety net. This policy framework has left non–college educated workers — a group that makes up 65 percent of our labor force — with a median wage $1.30 lower than it was in 1980.

Worth quoting for the fact that it's often forgotten, the majority of even conservative proponents of globalisation acknowledge the trade off and advocated for compensation from the gains to offset the losses in the middle class. In practice, multinationals and the top 1% have swallowed the gains that were meant to be redistributed as compensation.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

The fact you don't believe people can be objective just says it all.

Excuse me if i ignore lectures on objectivity from someone who refers to Hillary as Hitlery

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

He is possibly the biggest narcissist in the world so there's one personality disorder right there

Long line of antisocial behaviour, another personality disorder right there

Seems pretty ADD so that's also possible

I actually am, it's literally my to-be profession, but your kind don't listen to experts, right? You'd rather do a Homer Simpson

So you're not actually a psychologist yet? You're still studying?

What symptoms of ADD has he shown? I doubt he'd be able to run so many businesses if he had ADD.

 

[SexyBlueGirl]

Excuse me if i ignore lectures on objectivity from someone who refers to Hillary as Hitlery

I use nicknames for both candidates. The doesn't mean I'm not objective.

Again, waiting for you to chastise me on using Drumpf. Anyway, you've admitted to not being objective so we basically both agree you're not an honest actor.

 

[SexyBlueGirl]

Luckily I didn't disqualify anyone then

Discount would have been a better word.

 

[Cooldude]

So you're not actually a psychologist yet? You're still studying?

What symptoms of ADD has he shown? I doubt he'd be able to run so many businesses if he had ADD.

Very close to getting the license for it, I know you're gonna say "ha you ain't no expert!" but then again you think Trump can be trusted in politics, about ISIS, about the economy, about most things actually, so now you got nothing

Impulsiveness is a big one, emotional symptoms like sensitivity to criticism, mood swings, short temper. I don't think he has full blown AHDH but definitely has some symptoms of it. Narcissism and antisocialism is far more of a problem

And you really think he oversees all his businesses? He pays people to do a lot of it for him, that's what happens when you're handed daddy's money in the first place. People like Branson and Bill Gates who are truly self made and did it with their own hands are the ones who really know how to run businesses

 

[Cooldude]

Discount would have been a better word.

Luckily I didn't do that either

Disavow is the term you're looking for, but that's completely different to the words you've been using

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I use nicknames for both candidates. The doesn't mean I'm not objective.

Again, waiting for you to chastise me on using Drumpf. Anyway, you've admitted to not being objective so we basically both agree you're not an honest actor.

I don't expect anyone to believe what i say unless it's supported by evidence. No matter what one claims to be one shouldn't believe anyone unless there is some evidence or reasonable rationale to support them.

If you're posting continuously in a thread about the election you're not objective, you've got a bias one way or the other, you either admit it, or you are blind to it.

 

[SexyBlueGirl]

Luckily I didn't do that either

Disavow is the term you're looking for, but that's completely different to the words you've been using

Simple Definition of disavow

: to say that you are not responsible for (something) : to deny that you know about or are involved in (something)


No, I'll go with discount. Cheers

 

[james Dean]

And you really think he oversees all his businesses? He pays people to do a lot of it for him, that's what happens when you're handed daddy's money in the first place. People like Branson and Bill Gates who are truly self made and did it with their own hands are the ones who really know how to run businesses

The Virgin group has had just as many failures as Trump. Remember Virgin cola? Or his embarrassing attempt to dethrone the Ipod?

 

[SexyBlueGirl]

I don't expect anyone to believe what i say unless it's supported by evidence. No matter what one claims to be one shouldn't believe anyone unless there is some evidence or reasonable rationale to support them.

If you're posting continuously in a thread about the election you're not objective, you've got a bias one way or the other, you either admit it, or you are blind to it.

Bias and objectivity and two different things. Read up on it and get back to me.

In any event. I believe that it is possible to be objective. You're basically admitting that you're in the tank for Hitlery. Fine, as long as you admit it and you just did. Glad we finally agree on something.

 

[Cooldude]

Simple Definition of disavow

: to say that you are not responsible for (something) : to deny that you know about or are involved in (something)


No, I'll go with discount. Cheers

You are a weird unit. I don't think you get English

Discount implies I pay no attention or disregard Trump in anyway, in fact I pay plenty of attention to him and criticise him a lot, which you don't do when you discount someone: you don't even acknowledge someone exists if you discount them

disavow
dɪsəˈvaʊ/
verb

1. deny any responsibility or support for.

It's true, I don't support Donald Trump and I don't want anything to do with his "politics" which is dangerous and primitive. You need to learn what disavow means

 

[SexyBlueGirl]

You are a weird unit. I don't think you get English

Discount implies I pay no attention or disregard Trump in anyway, in fact I pay plenty of attention to him and criticise him a lot, which you don't do when you discount someone: you don't even acknowledge someone exists if you discount them

disavow
dɪsəˈvaʊ/
verb

1. deny any responsibility or support for.

It's true, I don't support Donald Trump and I don't want anything to do with his "politics" which is dangerous and primitive. You need to learn what disavow means

Now apply that in the context in which I used the word.

You "discount" Trump as a candidate because you deem him psychologically unfit. You can argue that you don't discount him (for whatever reason) but the sentence is correct.

If you don't comprehend that sentence it's no wonder you're having as much trouble as you are.

Cheers.

 

[Cooldude]

Now apply that in the context in which I used the word.

You "discount" Trump as a candidate because you deem him psychologically unfit. You can argue that you don't discount him (for whatever reason) but the sentence is correct.

If you don't comprehend that sentence it's no wonder you're having as much trouble as you are.

Cheers.

Looks like you also have a mental illness

I did not discount Trump as a candidate because I said he had a mental illness, quote me concretely on that. I only said he had a mental illness and he needs help, how is that discounting him as a candidate? You are insane if you think that

In fact him being clearly unhinged and still being this close to the presidency is the reason he shouldn't be discounted by anyone

It seems like you need to go back to grade 3 English to learn comprehension first before you start acting condescending about words you don't know and sentences you can't read. Cheers mate

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Bias and objectivity and two different things. Read up on it and get back to me.

In any event. I believe that it is possible to be objective. You're basically admitting that you're in the tank for Hitlery. Fine, as long as you admit it and you just did. Glad we finally agree on something.

I admitted that about 300 pages ago, please try and keep up.... always thought she was the most likely democratic candidate to win against a Republican, as the Republicans went in on Trump it became even more important. I think she has some flaws, and would prefer her more to the left, but i'll take what i can in terms of a sane competent candidate over Trump.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

The Virgin group has had just as many failures as Trump. Remember Virgin cola? Or his embarrassing attempt to dethrone the Ipod?

But no one doubts that Branson truly is a billionaire, there's a lot of doubt as to whether Trump can truly claim that.

 

[SexyBlueGirl]

Looks like you also have a mental illness

I did not discount Trump as a candidate because I said he had a mental illness, quote me concretely on that. I only said he had a mental illness and he needs help, how is that discounting him as a candidate? You are insane if you think that

In fact him being clearly unhinged and still being this close to the presidency is the reason he shouldn't be discounted by everyone

It seems like you need to go back to grade 3 English to learn comprehension first before you start acting condescending about words you don't know and sentences you can't read. Cheers mate

You seemed to strongly imply that Trump's mental state was at least partly your reason as to why you would discount him for being president of the USA. I believe I had good reason to infer that.

What's more, I agree with that.

Finally, suggesting I have a mental illness isn't really constructive. Your words drew a pretty clear picture....

 

[Cooldude]

You seemed to strongly imply that Trump's mental state was at least partly your reason as to why you would discount him for being president of the USA. I believe I had good reason to infer that.

What's more, I agree with that.

Finally, suggesting I have a mental illness isn't really constructive. Your words drew a pretty clear picture....

So you're working on your own imagination now? "seem to strongly implied", yep you got nothing.

Talking about drawing pictures, you sure draw a bloody long bow when I merely said "he's mentally ill and needs help" and interpret it as "I'm totally discounting him being the president and I strongly implied mental illness as one of the reasons why".

If I discount him I wouldn't even talk about him in any way, you need to learn what that word means

I find it weird how you're being argumentative over this, you don't even like Trump, so why act like one of those Trump fans?