2016 US Presidential Election - Trump vs Clinton? - Part 1

[Big_Birdy]

If it wasn't for the fact that he's so eager to use he nukes I would love to see him elected just to watch America collapse ...however , with his temperament towards using such a dangerous weapon on both Europe and the Middle East I seriously fear the worse .

Scary scary times if he's elected and I say that with no hint of sarcasm

The source of the claim is unknown, and I am unaware of a response to it.

I'd wait until the information is credible before losing sleep.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Similar to how the reaction of the Democrats to Patricia Smith hasn't been reported at all here that I have seen. And at least no one is claiming Trump had anything to do with the Khan's son's death, or that Trump lied about a conversation with them.

Hillary commented on the Pat Smith speech. "I understand the grief and the incredible sense of loss that can motivate that," Clinton said of Smith's remarks on "Fox News Sunday." "As other members of families who lost loved ones have said, that's not what they heard. I don't hold any ill feeling for someone who in that moment may not fully recall everything that was or wasn't said." Your standard politicians answer to defuse a situation.

Donald could have done the same and it would have been over. If he'd said "I respect and honour the sacrifice his son made in the service of America, but with the ongoing challenges we face i hold to my policy positions as the best way to keep America safe, while understanding some may disagree." The whole thing would have blown over in short time. Instead he went and did Trump things.

Basically when Fox News takes a pass on bashing Clinton you're in trouble. http://video.foxnews.com/v/50684168...-comments-getting-a-free-pass/?#sp=show-clips

 

[Happy Mastenator]

If it wasn't for the fact that he's so eager to use he nukes I would love to see him elected just to watch America collapse ...however , with his temperament towards using such a dangerous weapon on both Europe and the Middle East I seriously fear the worse .

Scary scary times if he's elected and I say that with no hint of sarcasm

This is silly. If America collapses the whole world goes in the shit economically. Don't think China and their need for iron ore will insulate us like it did in 2008. It would be a shit sandwich everywhere. I don't know why anyone would wish that.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

True, he could somehow gain momentum especially in some states like Ohio or Florida. And, we havent seen a Trump v Hillary debate yet

Does anyone think Trump might do well in a presidential debate? They are very different to the debate formats he went through in the Republican primaries. He will be required to talk extensively about policy details, not just call people names. Hillary despite what you may think of her is actually a very good debater, it's widely acknowledged that she beat Obama in the debates. When that starts happening do you think Trump will be able to avoid melting down in real time?

 

[Catastic82]

This is silly. If America collapses the whole world goes in the shit economically. Don't think China and their need for iron ore will insulate us like it did in 2008. It would be a shit sandwich everywhere. I don't know why anyone would wish that.

If they vote him they deserve it , just hope the Nuke statement wasn't correct because that's some seriously scary stuff.

 

[coerced]

This is silly. If America collapses the whole world goes in the shit economically. Don't think China and their need for iron ore will insulate us like it did in 2008. It would be a shit sandwich everywhere. I don't know why anyone would wish that.

The US is going to shit economically as is. As a consumption driven nation with a middle class being hollowed out, it only functions on debt levels increasing.

Clinton won't turn it around, she is part of the problem.

 

[james Dean]

Does anyone think Trump might do well in a presidential debate? They are very different to the debate formats he went through in the Republican primaries. He will be required to talk extensively about policy details, not just call people names. Hillary despite what you may think of her is actually a very good debater, it's widely acknowledged that she beat Obama in the debates. When that starts happening do you think Trump will be able to avoid melting down in real time?

Very true, but the more time that passes idly just provides opportunities for Trump to say stupid things and have a world of negative press about him. At least when the debates come around he will have an opportunity to regain ground on Clinton, whether or not he does is a different story. Because let's face it, Clinton isn't going to say anything controversial, she hasn't held a press conference in 12 months.

 

[Catastic82]

Very true, but the more time that passes idly just provides opportunities for Trump to say stupid things and have a world of negative press about him. At least when the debates come around he will have an opportunity to regain ground on Clinton, whether or not he does is a different story. Because let's face it, Clinton isn't going to say anything controversial, she hasn't held a press conference in 12 months.

Does Trump even has a policy to promote in the debate? Have to admit I can't recall any policies he has publically presented ?

 

[james Dean]

Does Trum even has a policy to promote in the debate? Have to admit I can't recall any policies he has publically presented ?

Not really, he identifies lots of problems in America and proposes utopian alternatives. He doesn't really detail how he is going to fix America, just that he will.

 

[Mofra]

Does Trum even has a policy to promote in the debate? Have to admit I can't recall any policies he has publically presented ?

No policies, just slogans.
It's not like that's stopped conservatives voting before.

 

[JackNah_8]

Does anyone think Trump might do well in a presidential debate? They are very different to the debate formats he went through in the Republican primaries. He will be required to talk extensively about policy details, not just call people names. Hillary despite what you may think of her is actually a very good debater, it's widely acknowledged that she beat Obama in the debates. When that starts happening do you think Trump will be able to avoid melting down in real time?

I am curious to see these debates but yes I agree is very good at the debates and more polished. Trump will need to work on his temperamental and actually talk about policies.

 

[james Dean]

No policies, just slogans.
It's not like that's stopped conservatives voting before.

To be fair Obama promised a lot of 'change' 8 years ago.. I think a lot of people have been underwhelmed by how much he achieved. It's not just a Republican thing

 

[Mofra]

To be fair Obama promised a lot of 'change' 8 years ago.. I think a lot of people have been underwhelmed by how much he achieved. It's not just a Republican thing

Promising and delivering are two separate things, no doubt.
Given a hostile senate and the vast improvements in many economic measures as well as a signature reform in Obamacare (he shouldn't get credit for Bin Laden) I'm pretty sure he's comfortable with his record.

Neither current nominee will get close his record. Both are too divisive - Trumps promise of a wall that Mexico will pay for is laughable, and Clinton will spend half her time defending Clinton business interests.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

To be fair Obama promised a lot of 'change' 8 years ago.. I think a lot of people have been underwhelmed by how much he achieved. It's not just a Republican thing

I think he's gotten a fair bit done, especially in light of an unprecedented level of obstruction from the Republican controlled house and senate.

 

[Catastic82]

To be fair Obama promised a lot of 'change' 8 years ago.. I think a lot of people have been underwhelmed by how much he achieved. It's not just a Republican thing

Obamacarw is what was badly needed and he tried to push a gun reform which again was in the best interest of the country.

If it wasn't for such a hostile senate he would had achieved more , sadly the factions took over and made his term much harder than what was needed.

 

[james Dean]

Obamacarw is what was badly needed and he tried to push a gun reform which again was in the best interest of the country.

If it wasn't for such a hostile senate he would had achieved more , sadly the factions took over and made his term much harder than what was needed.

I think he's gotten a fair bit done, especially in light of an unprecedented level of obstruction from the Republican controlled house and senate.

Promising and delivering are two separate things, no doubt.
Given a hostile senate and the vast improvements in many economic measures as well as a signature reform in Obamacare (he shouldn't get credit for Bin Laden) I'm pretty sure he's comfortable with his record.

Neither current nominee will get close his record. Both are too divisive - Trumps promise of a wall that Mexico will pay for is laughable, and Clinton will spend half her time defending Clinton business interests.

I like Obama, I think he's done a great job under difficult circumstances. My point was that it is unfair to say that making big promises heading into an election is reserved only for Republican candidates.

 

[Catastic82]

I like Obama, I think he's done a great job under difficult circumstances. My point was that it is unfair to say that making big promises heading into an election is reserved only for Republican candidates.

That's true but from a candidate that has never been involved in any form of politics to be considered to be able to run an effective government , he will need to demonstrate that he has some policies to implement to demonstrate he has some sort of logical plan.

It's hard to take him seriously given how inexperienced he is, his lack of control in offending minorities (that'll be great for diplomatic realationships) and his lack of vision for the country beyond building a wall and bombing the Middle East .

And yet they all flock to him because he promotes the white guy victim mentality , despite never having to struggle or sacrifice anything in his life.

It's truly bizarre .

 

[coerced]

The problem with Obama hasn't been his policies per se, but that the US economy is sluggish and that inequality has kept growing.

But when you compare him to the options in 2008 (Hillary and McCain) he's pretty ****ing good, even if hope and change was a bit nonsense.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

More secure in a less secure sort of way. Logical.



This entire part contradicts itself. You can't refer to Bill's presidency as 'the Clintons' and then maintain that it's unfair that she isn't seen as 'new'.

Either she was part of Bill's presidency or not, which is it?

"This entire part". No, you mean there are two elements within that you think are contradictory, but aren't. Hillary did do things as first lady of Arkansas and America, and people do assess her on the basis of being part of 'the Clintons', but it is also unfair to not think she isn't 'new'. e.g. You can be a part of a senior team in a business but when you are put into the top job you are seen as the new CEO who will take the company in a new direction.

Have you seen the footage? It's pretty awful. He doesn't just kick them out, he outright trolls a Mother with her crying baby. I mean, I'm no fan of Trump but I found myself wondering if it wasn't made up when I first read about it. Then I saw the footage. It is legitimately disgusting behaviour.

It's just one of about 5 or 6 examples within 24 hours where he says one thing with yuuuuge emphasis and then completely contradicting himself a few sentences later. A BS artist and always has been.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

I like Obama, I think he's done a great job under difficult circumstances. My point was that it is unfair to say that making big promises heading into an election is reserved only for Republican candidates.

There's a difference between setting ambitious but plausible policy promises, and saying you'll build a 3,200km wall and get Mexico to pay for it.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

"This entire part". No, you mean there are two elements within that you think are contradictory, but aren't. Hillary did do things as first lady of Arkansas and America, and people do assess her on the basis of being part of 'the Clintons', but it is also unfair to not think she isn't 'new'. e.g. You can be a part of a senior team in a business but when you are put into the top job you are seen as the new CEO who will take the company in a new direction.

I also think its fair to say that a lot of things can change in 20 years. Including policy goals and ambitions, and that doesn't mean she'd be a flip/flopper or anything like that either.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

"This entire part". No, you mean there are two elements within that you think are contradictory, but aren't. Hillary did do things as first lady of Arkansas and America, and people do assess her on the basis of being part of 'the Clintons', but it is also unfair to not think she isn't 'new'. e.g. You can be a part of a senior team in a business but when you are put into the top job you are seen as the new CEO who will take the company in a new direction.

I don't see how it's unfair that she isn't considered new.

Should I be more sympathetic to Hillary because she isn't rightfully considered to be new? She has been in the public limelight for the last 30 years.

Barack was considered new because he was a first term senator(I think? Correct me if I'm wrong.) with very little exposure prior to his candidacy.

Poor Hillary.

I also think its fair to say that a lot of things can change in 20 years. Including policy goals and ambitions, and that doesn't mean she'd be a flip/flopper or anything like that either.

Obviously things change in 20 years.

Did I say that it's bad to be seen as a 'flip/flopper'?

I've never understood why people care so much about people changing their policies. Of course people change their views once new evidence comes to light. Being stubborn when confronted with contradictory evidence isn't a sign of strength.

 

[Arthur Dunger]

I think he's gotten a fair bit done, especially in light of an unprecedented level of obstruction from the Republican controlled house and senate.

What are some of the best things that he has achieved?

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

What are some of the best things that he has achieved?

Being cool and hip.

 

[Arthur Dunger]

Being cool and hip.

Hillary will be fine then