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1. His previous post stated he is struggling to lose a bit of far around the belly, that would suggest is lean and if he isn't losing to weight needs to reduce calories slightly. Of course you can eat those foods, eat any food you like but don't scratch your head thinking why you can't lose weight.

2. Have a look at reduced fat processed foods like yoghurt, milk, cheeses. Compare the reduced fat vs non reduced fat options and the sugar levels are 2-3 times more per serve.
 
saj_21 said:
1. His previous post stated he is struggling to lose a bit of far around the belly, that would suggest is lean and if he isn't losing to weight needs to reduce calories slightly. Of course you can eat those foods, eat any food you like but don't scratch your head thinking why you can't lose weight.

2. Have a look at reduced fat processed foods like yoghurt, milk, cheeses. Compare the reduced fat vs non reduced fat options and the sugar levels are 2-3 times more per serve.
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You seem to be conflating two things. Of course if he is eating too many calories he won't lose fat, but that doesn't mean there is no room for milk, cheese etc. I guess I better go and tell my pre weight loss/muscle gain self that, obviously I'm never going to get anywhere

It completely depends on the food actually

This is a lot of the problem with nutrition advice these days. People try to make blanket statement rules.
 

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DemonTim said:
You seem to be conflating two things. Of course if he is eating too many calories he won't lose fat, but that doesn't mean there is no room for milk, cheese etc. I guess I better go and tell my pre weight loss/muscle gain self that, obviously I'm never going to get anywhere

It completely depends on the food actually

This is a lot of the problem with nutrition advice these days. People try to make blanket statement rules.
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I completely agree, the thing is what works for me and what works you could be completely different or the same. I don't have any issues with milk, cheese etc. more so with mayo, I may have been nit picking but the poster did say he was having trouble losing that last little bit of weight. A spoon or two of mayo would be the first thing to give up to save room for meat, veggies rice etx. And of course all depends on how much and how often.

All I'm saying from past experience with losing weight, getting the last bit of weight off takes effort and sacrifice. Quite often people doesn't realise how much extra food they are eating that hinders their progress.
 
saj_21 said:
I completely agree, the thing is what works for me and what works you could be completely different or the same. I don't have any issues with milk, cheese etc. more so with mayo, I may have been nit picking but the poster did say he was having trouble losing that last little bit of weight. A spoon or two of mayo would be the first thing to give up to save room for meat, veggies rice etx. And of course all depends on how much and how often.

All I'm saying from past experience with losing weight, getting the last bit of weight off takes effort and sacrifice. Quite often people doesn't realise how much extra food they are eating that hinders their progress.
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This is different to your first post. I wouldn't have disagreed if you'd said this. I took issue with the blanket statement:
saj_21 said:
If you really want to get rid of that pot belly you don't have room for these type of foods in your diet full stop. Don't opt for reduced fat foods they are full of sugar.
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And if reduced fat helps him cut his calories down and leave him less hungry/with less cravings, it's a very useful tool. It needs sustainability
 
DemonTim said:
This is different to your first post. I wouldn't have disagreed if you'd said this. I took issue with the blanket statement:


And if reduced fat helps him cut his calories down and leave him less hungry/with less cravings, it's a very useful tool. It needs sustainability
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Yeah fair point, should of elaborated some more. But it was on context of my previous reply to him.

Yeah, that's a whole other debate of IIFYM vs. clean eating. Once again, find something that works for you and stick with it. Personally I'm a foot in both camps, steer clean of reduced fat foods, sugars make me hungrier but the full fat foods take away hunger.
 
saj_21 said:
Yeah fair point, should of elaborated some more. But it was on context of my previous reply to him.

Yeah, that's a whole other debate of IIFYM vs. clean eating. Once again, find something that works for you and stick with it. Personally I'm a foot in both camps, steer clean of reduced fat foods, sugars make me hungrier but the full fat foods take away hunger.
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I didn't get it out of the context because of the "no room in your diet full stop". That's why I disagreed with the post.

I don't think it has to be a debate between the two. It can be either depending on the person (I wish people in the industry would understand this). I've done both. Got results from both. But found one more enjoyable and sustainable.

Some people crave sugar, some crave fat. If eating a certain thing can be incorporated and reduce those cravings it's much more beneficial
 
DemonTim said:
I didn't get it out of the context because of the "no room in your diet full stop". That's why I disagreed with the post.

I don't think it has to be a debate between the two. It can be either depending on the person (I wish people in the industry would understand this). I've done both. Got results from both. But found one more enjoyable and sustainable.

Some people crave sugar, some crave fat. If eating a certain thing can be incorporated and reduce those cravings it's much more beneficial
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I will say there is difference between being over weight and trying to lose weight, practailly any restriction in diet will bring results. But trying to lose weight when you are already lean takes more sacrifice hence my "no room full stop" comment.
 
saj_21 said:
I will say there is difference between being over weight and trying to lose weight, practailly any restriction in diet will bring results. But trying to lose weight when you are already lean takes more sacrifice hence my "no room full stop" comment.
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Sure there's obviously a difference, but again doesn't mean there's no room. If that was the case no dedicated trainer would use IIFYM, half my footy club/the club my missus knows at drink/eat bad food at times and are very lean.

I'm back on IIFYM now and I'm leaner than I have been.
 
DemonTim said:
Sure there's obviously a difference, but again doesn't mean there's no room. If that was the case no dedicated trainer would use IIFYM, half my footy club/the club my missus knows at drink/eat bad food at times and are very lean.

I'm back on IIFYM now and I'm leaner than I have been.
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Good stuff ...and go Dees!!!
 
DemonTim said:
Doing friday as a carb loading day before footy. Tried it for the first time last week (used the swan districts one as a template)
Played the best game of my life, and recovery was almost instant post game. Definitely sticking to that
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Link?
 

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PoppedCorn said:
Wtf is IIFYM?
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If It Fits Your Macros

So basically protein carbs fats are your macronutrients. For example if you want to eat 200g of protein, 400g of carbs and 50g of fats to total 2850 calories. And all this coming from meat, veggies, rice etc.

People will eat any type of food and Doesn't matter where the calories come from as long as you hit your macronutrient intake.
 

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showdownhero said:
Currently experimenting with some pretty low calories ~1500 in keto mode

Want to see the effect on
>Weight loss
>Mood
>Brain function
>Cardio vascular performance
>Anaerobic performance
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Why so low?......just out of interest
 
showdownhero said:
Currently experimenting with some pretty low calories ~1500 in keto mode

Want to see the effect on
>Weight loss
>Mood
>Brain function
>Cardio vascular performance
>Anaerobic performance
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Good luck - I think 1500 calories would kill me!
My maintenance (estimated) is around 3,100 and I've become a classic hard-gainer over the past few months.

Keep us updated, hope it works for you.
 
saj_21 said:
Why so low?......just out of interest
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I dropped 7kg in 8 weeks a couple of years ago eating 1500-1800 cals. To be honest I wasn't even counting (or using myfitnesspal) at the time and the weight just fell off me. I'm looking to replicate some of that success but with a more scientific approach.

When I wasn't counting calories I just ate small meals and had post lunch coffee and post dinner green tea to aid satiation.

Mofra said:
Good luck - I think 1500 calories would kill me!
My maintenance (estimated) is around 3,100 and I've become a classic hard-gainer over the past few months.

Keep us updated, hope it works for you.
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Because I haven't trained in 3 months my strength is back to scratch so I don't have to worry about losing dem gainz :)

So far so good tho mood and brain function are fairly haven't altered, in fact my girl friend sent me a lovely message yesterday for being extra helpful around the house (note to self, keto gives you domestic superpowers)

Anaerobic and aerobic capacity are improving as expected considering I'm back to lazy man levels after a 3 month hiatus.

So far this week I've trained every day did a 24 hour fast on Monday with morning cardio and doing the same again today.

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This shows my calories burnt from my heart rate monitor, like I said Monday and Friday sessions were 4km runs and tue-thu were in the gym

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Does anyone know what a typical diet of an afl player would like during preseason I understand they vary quite a bit
 
Eazyfit said:
Does anyone know what a typical diet of an afl player would like during preseason I understand they vary quite a bit
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depends on the player, their training and what their goals are...and then different nutritionists/sports science guys will have different approaches to achieving the same thing.

so in answer to your question, i dont have a clue what a typical AFL preseason diet would look like.
 
It also depends on club to club. Port were doing some form of low carb eating program when they had a good year a few years ago, but exactly what that was comprised of we don't exactly know.

It's probably best if I don't talk about any Essendon programs :D

If you find anything then feel free to post it, it would be good reading.
 

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