Rumour Bluemour Discussion thread - The sequel - I know what SOS did last Sumner

[Salt Lake Cities]

I think we talked about this a few pages ago.

GC has already said they don't really care where he nominates. They will look for the best deal they can receive and that's the deal they will do.

It's not the NBA, you can't just ship blokes where they don't wish to go. He'll get to Hawthorn.

 

[Wickzki]

Oh for the good old days like the 70s and 80s...decades where four teams won flags.

If Hawthorn, Geelong or Sydney win the premiership this year the last ten flags will have been won by... four teams. Seven since Brisbane started their trio (add solo flags to Port, West Coast and Collingwood). The next five years could easily be dominated by GWS, Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn (especially if they rebuild as they go along without having to fall out) and that would be twenty years with only 8 premiers (equivalent to 4 each decade).

The game is still broken. Players who haven't even gotten enough tenure to reach restricted free agency demanding to go to power clubs is something that will continue to divide the haves from the have nots.

It really is little wonder some clubs are in favor of a two tiered competition.

 

[passmark]

The most noticeable link in common with those teams is the rock solid professional admin they had at the time of their success and a couple with some AFL concessions, but still well run clubs.

 

[Weiterbot23]

We just need to build up properly, through the draft and through bargain deals.

Taking on a few crap deals from GWS short term will help us long term.

Ensure we aren't overpaying for players.

Trading off players that don't suit our age profile (Hendo, 2E etc)


We just need to wait and do it properly, need to learn from last time, no big fish until we have already built a team capable of making the 8.

 

[Kramer1]

If Hawthorn, Geelong or Sydney win the premiership this year the last ten flags will have been won by... four teams. Seven since Brisbane started their trio (add solo flags to Port, West Coast and Collingwood). The next five years could easily be dominated by GWS, Geelong, Sydney and Hawthorn (especially if they rebuild as they go along without having to fall out) and that would be twenty years with only 8 premiers (equivalent to 4 each decade).

The game is still broken. Players who haven't even gotten enough tenure to reach restricted free agency demanding to go to power clubs is something that will continue to divide the haves from the have nots.

It really is little wonder some clubs are in favor of a two tiered competition.

Don't agree with that simplistic take on it. 11 winners back to and including our last flag...from 16 teams. Four other teams have had opportunity. Vast majority have had a shot in a twenty year cycle. Only Richmond have suffered through significant mismanagement, as we are now. Which teams have drafted well and made good business decisions over multiple years and not made a GF? Maybe the WB's, and they are thereabouts.

We are living in fear of GWS and they haven't done anything yet. GC had similar concessions and are a basket case.

 

[Kramer1]

It's 2016 & there are 18 teams, bit of a difference. It's not meant to work like that anymore, is it?

I don't feel for us, we've only ourselves to blame for our predicament. What about the Dogs, Dees & Saints? Good young teams who have bottomed out & drafted well. When does their fans turn come?

Don't preach equalisation (the AFL, not you) when it's far from the case.

Well Saints had their turn. Twice, or technically thrice, and couldn't get it done.
Now a handful of years later they are reloading, and benefitting from being pretty savvy at the trade table and fair drafting.

Melbourne simply haven't deserved a turn. Draft poorly, make poor business decisions = don't win flag. But after a couple of settled years they are better equipped than any time in the last 15 years to build toward something.

WB's are in great shape. As a supporter I'd be stoked to be in their position.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Well Saints had their turn. Twice, or technically thrice, and couldn't get it done.
Now a handful of years later they are reloading, and benefitting from being pretty savvy at the trade table and fair drafting.

Melbourne simply haven't deserved a turn. Draft poorly, make poor business decisions = don't win flag. But after a couple of settled years they are better equipped than any time in the last 15 years to build toward something.

WB's are in great shape. As a supporter I'd be stoked to be in their position.

I can't disagree with any of that, especially the Bulldogs part. Yet the fact remains that it's still the same teams of the last decade up top.

GWS have 3 first rounders this year & may get more. I tend to think this will still be happening in a few years. It's just not a level playing field with them in the comp, they've been given way too much.

If we aren't up there in the next few years I'll be hoping the Dogs knock them or one of the other 3 off. Wouldn't be putting money on it though, hope I'm wrong.

 

[HBF]

Not if TheCoach16 has anything to do with it

If Hawthorn want to pay $700k for a bloke who hasn't played senior footy for 2 years good luck to them.

 

[HBF]

What I'm nervous about is that we go for a big fish too early. Trading for one now would really set us back I think. We need another two years hitting the draft, building that foundation for success then trying to reel the big one in.

Completely agree. Gotta hit the draft hard and hopefully we can add Marchbank.

 

[HARKER]

Completely agree. Gotta hit the draft hard and hopefully we can add Marchbank.

It's clearer now that there will be no big fish being landed this year.
We haven't met Prestia's request. O'Meara chose Hawthorn. Vickery.....O.K. not Vickery

Big fish is next years objective and even things change and it becomes the year after, that's O.K. also.
The trick in not to just build to be a MOR team but to build to one that can compete for a Premiership.

 

[Big Sim is Back]

Mitchell to the Hawks is being written about by footy journos now as a foregone conclusion. They have done very well to have landed him, JOM and Vickery (who will do well there IMO) in one hit. Very well indeed.

Media reports are that these recruits are settling for far less than they could have got elsewhere and their new team mates are all taking less to accomodate their arrival.

Success is a wonderful thing. Lets get some.

 

[Schrempfian]

Big fish are overrated - don't get me wrong i absolutely love Juddy. But how much of a difference would of it been if we kept Kennedy instead of getting Judd (an extra year to wait for finals? - i could live without that 2009 elimination final loss to Brisbane!!)... we'd be in the same position but possibly with a somewhat better forward line.

Let's build this team properly!! through drafting better players, smarter trades and better development of our players ... it's simple!

 

[kjr8]

Mitchell to the Hawks is being written about by footy journos now as a foregone conclusion. They have done very well to have landed him, JOM and Vickery (who will do well there IMO) in one hit. Very well indeed.

Media reports are that these recruits are settling for far less than they could have got elsewhere and their new team mates are all taking less to accomodate their arrival.

Success is a wonderful thing. Lets get some.

Much prefer this as opposed to the "Woe is me" approach.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Big fish are overrated - don't get me wrong i absolutely love Juddy. But how much of a difference would of it been if we kept Kennedy instead of getting Judd (an extra year to wait for finals? - i could live without that 2009 elimination final loss to Brisbane!!)... we'd be in the same position but possibly with a somewhat better forward line.

Let's build this team properly!! through drafting better players, smarter trades and better development of our players ... it's simple!

We had no idea what it took to win games pre-Judd, let alone have success. I recall interviews with players who were dispirited and felt we were close to having a mass exodus. Kennedy was not developing well.

We had a dearth of leaders. I think it is very optimistic to think success would have taken just an extra year. Judd brought more than just playing talent. He brought professional standards, he brought hope, he allowed Murphy and Gibbs more time, he shouldered the media focus and he worked with the coaches to communicate the messages.

We can look at the fact we didn't have ultimate success with Judd but some foundations were set. The players stood up against those who were not toeing the line and started to get hungry. So many intangibles with Judd.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Much prefer this as opposed to the "Woe is me" approach.

If wanting a level playing field for all clubs is a "Woe is me" approach, I'll happily stay in that camp. Still keen on the success for us part though.

 

[Shambolic]

It's clearer now that there will be no big fish being landed this year.
We haven't met Prestia's request. O'Meara chose Hawthorn. Vickery.....O.K. not Vickery

Big fish is next years objective and even things change and it becomes the year after, that's O.K. also.
The trick in not to just build to be a MOR team but to build to one that can compete for a Premiership.

It's also very hard with circa 1-1.3m in cap devoted to past list errors for 2017. We have one hand tied behind our back.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Big fish are overrated - don't get me wrong i absolutely love Juddy. But how much of a difference would of it been if we kept Kennedy instead of getting Judd (an extra year to wait for finals? - i could live without that 2009 elimination final loss to Brisbane!!)... we'd be in the same position but possibly with a somewhat better forward line.

Let's build this team properly!! through drafting better players, smarter trades and better development of our players ... it's simple!

Imagine how poorly Kennedy would play with our shithouse delivery into the forward line. Bleghhhh.

 

[El Topo]

We had no idea what it took to win games pre-Judd, let alone have success. I recall interviews with players who were dispirited and felt we were close to having a mass exodus. Kennedy was not developing well.

We had a dearth of leaders. I think it is very optimistic to think success would have taken just an extra year. Judd brought more than just playing talent. He brought professional standards, he brought hope, he allowed Murphy and Gibbs more time, he shouldered the media focus and he worked with the coaches to communicate the messages.

We can look at the fact we didn't have ultimate success with Judd but some foundations were set. The players stood up against those who were not toeing the line and started to get hungry. So many intangibles with Judd.

You should keep this post copied in a text file for whenever it needs to be explained to the muppets on the main board.

If anything, I think you're understating it. If we didn't land Judd the best we could hope for right now is AFL administration ala Melbourne. Worst case... Fitzroy.

 

[bmaurizio]

Big fish placed in successful teams are the ultimate result.
Hawks and Geelong will just keep attracting them for the foreseeable further.
Both clubs that are well administered, strong cultured with sustained success and therefore great membership base, obviously they'll attract the most of the best prospects.
These clubs have set the standard , the remainder of the completion have to scramble faster, no use in whining especially the Baggers we're coming from the dark ages.
Go Blues

 

[HARKER]

WHE to Collingwood
Essendon going to be a problem with Marchbank

If WHE is on the money I heard, then good luck to Collingwood.

Essendon? Laverde would clear a little money but not too much.
They are holding the golden ticket though and reckon that GWS would like to get their hands on one of the first 4 or 5, allowing them not to spend their premiums on Academy players.

 

[El Topo]

Mum said cheaters never prosper

 

[kjr8]

If wanting a level playing field for all clubs is a "Woe is me" approach, I'll happily stay in that camp. Still keen on the success for us part though.

and you'd happily sit on the side of "all is level playing field", should success for us component was current.

 

[Jeremias]

Essendon going to be a problem with Marchbank

Will be interesting to see how their fans respond to this if it is true.

They are fairly adamant they don't need a key defender.

 

[deathanxiety]

If WHE is on the money I heard, then good luck to Collingwood.

Essendon? Laverde would clear a little money but not too much.
They are holding the golden ticket though and reckon that GWS would like to get their hands on one of the first 4 or 5, allowing them not to spend their premiums on Academy players.

Yep. Ess are in a better position trade wise than us too.

 

[Schrempfian]

We had no idea what it took to win games pre-Judd, let alone have success. I recall interviews with players who were dispirited and felt we were close to having a mass exodus. Kennedy was not developing well.

We had a dearth of leaders. I think it is very optimistic to think success would have taken just an extra year. Judd brought more than just playing talent. He brought professional standards, he brought hope, he allowed Murphy and Gibbs more time, he shouldered the media focus and he worked with the coaches to communicate the messages.

We can look at the fact we didn't have ultimate success with Judd but some foundations were set. The players stood up against those who were not toeing the line and started to get hungry. So many intangibles with Judd.

Agree - Juddy was a poor example!! *starts singing Bon Jovi*

my point was mainly if we land another big fish now - the impact would be minimal. What we needed at the time as you mentioned above shouldn't exist now under our my new regime (hopefully!!)