Play Nice 2016 Presidential Election Part 4 - President-Elect Trump

[Cooldude]

That's not true economically at all. China's financial system is minuscule compared to the US and its net ownership of Us assets is completely overplayed. It's not that big. And let's not even talk about that China's lending system is a giant house of cards.

China has got the world by the balls, they have loads of control through their sheer trade power and how many nations rely on them. We're like that in Australia for example. China will throw their weight around economically around the world if there's ever a war

China's lending system will eventually collapse but we don't know when that will be, could be years and years from now, for now they're still growing albeit at a slower rate. If the US is smart they should be playing the long game and waiting for their inevitable economical collapse, not trying to antagonise them now

 

[frenchfri12]

My opinion of Trump has been formed by watching him, listening to the words coming out of his mouth, and reading his tweets.

Stop trying to cover up the fact that you saw all of this on the news.

 

[Procrastinator35]

On the eve of America's "darkest" hour, one hooded man steps from the shadows to save America from it's fate!

It's JEB!

Slow and steady.

LOL....Is he auditioning for Forrest Gump 2?

Maybe Daddy's henchmen can take out both Trump & Pence....Wouldn't be the first time either.

 

[Crow54]

Stop trying to cover up the fact that you saw all of this on the news.

His tweets have been on Twitter, his rallies have been broadcast, the debates were shown live. What's your point?

 

[yebiga]

My opinion of Trump has been formed by watching him, listening to the words coming out of his mouth, and reading his tweets. Nothing to do with "the media". The trouble is that he's done and said so many bizarre, stupid things his supporters have become used to it and just shrug it off. True brainwashing: they believe what he says and would probably drink the Kool Aid as he smilingly poured it for them.

Unpicking where your opinion begins and where the indoctrination is a dubious task at best. Everything the Don has said and done comes to all of us via the media filter - you see? And your opinion of his supporters has entirely been formed by the media filter.

The question you need to ask yourself is how so many have withstood the media barrage and given the Don the benefit of the doubt? What Kool Aid is the Don giving them to drink? Could there be a more empty promise then "make America Great"?

Something else is definitely going on here. It is one almighty oligarchical shit fight going on between the Don and those behind him and the prevailing forces. The most likely scenario is that the Don is no friend of the Military Industrial Complex - which we know Hillary most definitely is -who are heavily invested in expanding wars, drone attacks and cold war with Russia.

The recent leaks/innuendo by the CIA and now the FBI re the Russian hack suggests much. Don's refusal to attend daily intelligence briefs - says something too. Don's tweets regarding the excessive nature of $400 billion aircraft contracts to the USA air force adds further meat to bones.

Don's appointment of a very popular retired General as Secretary of Defence is entirely consistent with this theory that the neo-cons are at war with the Don. Don't think every General loves war and only a General would have the requisite authority to undermine the industrial military complex paid for sabre rattling. Good Generals and the most popular generals are cautious and meticulous planners who enter wars rarely, but endeavour to win wars quickly with minimal cost of life and money - the exact opposite of what the neo-cons want - endless war.

The thin veil of decency we wear in the west is close to being exposed and what is underneath is much uglier than what our media has portrayed to us. And by contrast Don is a pussy cat.

The stakes are high right now - the Don is not yet President and he may never be. A Bullet, A legal Challenge, a coup is more likely. The true forces of evil are masked behind the media. The Don is just a ego maniacal Billionaire Buffoon who at 70 years of age has nothing to lose and is beyond the control of the establishment - which scares the bejezus out of vested interests. I do think the Don means well, because his sole motivation appears to be nothing but public adulation. His not very bright but nor was Reagan or Bush Jr.

 

[awaremind]

Please share the link. I'd love to read that article.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...chology-tells-psyche-presidency-a7482846.html
The comments are interesting too.

 

[Cooldude]

No more crazy than Keith Ablow for the Republicans then

 

[Seeds]

The mainstream media were massively biased for trump because they didn't know how to treat abnormal situations. The mainstream media always normalises and compartmentalises events and they did so with Trump. Yes they were occasionally outraged by what he said but only briefly and then moved on to the next story.

They couldn't maintain the outrage from one story to another and combine it into a narrative of what he truly represented. In fact the stupidity on a previous issue actually proved beneficial to the next stupid thing he said. If it was just as dumb it was now acceptable to the media and if it was less dumb then the last thing he said, but still incredibly dumb and worthy of scorn if any other candidate said it, he even recieved media praise when there should of only been scorn.

The mainstream media had a responsibility for putting Trumps views and actions in its proper place, and they failed miserably.

 

[Seeds]

China has got the world by the balls, they have loads of control through their sheer trade power and how many nations rely on them. We're like that in Australia for example. China will throw their weight around economically around the world if there's ever a war

China's lending system will eventually collapse but we don't know when that will be, could be years and years from now, for now they're still growing albeit at a slower rate. If the US is smart they should be playing the long game and waiting for their inevitable economical collapse, not trying to antagonise them now

They have lots of developing economies, particularly commodity exporting economies in their grips due to trade linkages and financial favours. But not the west (excluding Australia). There industrial sector growth has collapsed because the west has stopped importing. Trade however is a lot less important to the west than it is for China.

 

[Cooldude]

They have lots of developing economies, particularly commodity exporting economies in their grips due to trade linkages and financial favours. But not the west (excluding Australia). There industrial sector growth has collapsed because the west has stopped importing. Trade however is a lot less important to the west than it is for China.

I wasn't talking about just the west, was talking about the world in general, how China has an edge if they ever go to war with the west

Besides, didn't China just bought a ton of shit in England. They're making inroads in loads of places

Besides, if China goes down the world economy goes down with it anyhow, the world at this stage needs a strong China

 

[madmug]

They have lots of developing economies, particularly commodity exporting economies in their grips due to trade linkages and financial favours. But not the west (excluding Australia). There industrial sector growth has collapsed because the west has stopped importing. Trade however is a lot less important to the west than it is for China.

Trade is vital for Australia. No country is viable at a decent standard of living without trade.

 

[madmug]

I wasn't talking about just the west, was talking about the world in general, how China has an edge if they ever go to war with the west

Besides, didn't China just bought a ton of shit in England. They're making inroads in loads of places

Besides, if China goes down the world economy goes down with it anyhow, the world at this stage needs a strong China

They need each other. China would melt down without trade. the massive move of people from rural to urban living isnt goint to go in reverse without a drastic dislocation of society. The one party state knows they need to keep improving the peoples standard of living or face the consequences. They could handle Tiananmen square ok, but not a billion shitty Chinamen all at once.

 

[happy_eagle]

Going to be a lot of angry young people tomorrow when they realise the electors have done their job. Maybe then they will stop living in their fantasy world and accept the result of the election like most sane people have.

 

[smokingjacket]

Unpicking where your opinion begins and where the indoctrination is a dubious task at best. Everything the Don has said and done comes to all of us via the media filter - you see? And your opinion of his supporters has entirely been formed by the media filter.

This has been the first election where a candidate has made use of social media to communicate directly with their audience, no?

You could argue, and many have, that this election turned out the way it has precisely because there was no media filter outside of the reliable college educated NYT readers.

 

[sydney eagle]

Someone mentioned Dodd-Frank. Isn't that one of the first things that Trump has said he will get rid of ?

 

[yebiga]

Yo

This has been the first election where a candidate has made use of social media to communicate directly with their audience, no?

You could argue, and many have, that this election turned out the way it has precisely because there was no media filter outside of the reliable college educated NYT readers.

you could argue that but a tweet alone requires interpretation. Given the intrepretations I have heard are almost universally in line with the msm the argument that everyone reached their own conclusions is very thin and flies in the face of our understanding of how people are socialized and imbued within their culture.

 

[Cooldude]

Interpretations?

Goodness, so Donald Trump tweeting things such as "Climate change was a chinese hoax" requires interpretation? You sound like one of them Christians

 

[yebiga]

Interpretations?

Goodness, so Donald Trump tweeting things such as "Climate change was a chinese hoax" requires interpretation? You sound like one of them Christians

Well when his vocab is akin to tony soprano - yes Trump needs loads of interpretation.

Does he mean the Chinese invented it or the Chinese benefit from it?

Is his Mexican wall a literal or metaphorical wall?

Does he mean all Mexican illegals are rapists or just the odd hombre?

As someone said immediately after the election - democrats take Donald literally but not seriously and those who support him - take his statements seriously but not literally.

The sensible thing to do would be something in between - I try to understand what he is saying with some flexibility and a heavy dose of suspicion.

Unfortunately, we have become accustomed to jumping to condemnations with too much relish. It's that PC stuff. God forbid someone might offend someone.

 

[Cooldude]

Well when his vocab is akin to tony soprano - yes Trump needs loads of interpretation.

Does he mean the Chinese invented it or the Chinese benefit from it?

Is his Mexican wall a literal or metaphorical wall?

Does he mean all Mexican illegals are rapists or just the odd hombre?

As someone said immediately after the election - democrats take Donald literally but not seriously and those who support him - take his statements seriously but not literally.

The sensible thing to do would be something in between - I try to understand what he is saying with some flexibility and a heavy dose of suspicion.

Unfortunately, we have become accustomed to jumping to condemnations with too much relish. It's that PC stuff. God forbid someone might offend someone.

What a load of garbage that is

You keep going on about "PC" and "bias media" yet you are the one who's choosing to see things that fits your own bias narrative, yet again more projection

Btw if you really think Donald Trump's tweets need that much interpretation coz they're clearly an excerpt of the Da Vinci code then you might need help

 

[smokingjacket]

Yo

you could argue that but a tweet alone requires interpretation. Given the intrepretations I have heard are almost universally in line with the msm the argument that everyone reached their own conclusions is very thin and flies in the face of our understanding of how people are socialized and imbued within their culture.

I question that. Does all communication require a media analysis to make sense of it? Trump has communicated political positions to his audience while the conservative and liberal print media were hostile to those positions.



How does your understanding of culture leave you to interpret these two tweets?

 

[Betty Noir]

I'm a Chinese, I know a thing or two. CCP drives the ultranationalist rhetoric all the time based on the humiliation they faced in the unequal treaty and opium war and so forth, it is not forgotten. You start a war there then you're basically galvanising billions of people

No one argued that China are expansionists, we're talking about US starting a war with China and them not having the advantage at all.

And in the next world war, if anyone is losing then they'll probably resort to nukes, that's the sorta crazy time we're in

You said it. If war started it would be a doctor Strangelove situation for sure. (But if anyone could do it, trump would be that guy...LOL) China isn't into it though as we agree. I mentioned nukes only because China will win a war of attrition every day of the week. The only way to win would be with the use of non conventional weapons... But nobody wants war like this.
(It's almost silly to imagine China conquering north America... the logistics would be huge. And why would they? LOL)
China is a very unusual country for sure. Inspired by history, and manipulated by it at the same time.
It will be interesting to see if trump has any plan at all.

 

[Betty Noir]

The media did a hit job on Trump Like it's never hit anyone before.

The very poor opinion you have of him was formed by that same media. The reason you defend Hillary is because of the self same media.

Every day prior and every day since the election they continue to hammer him. Some of it is fair and much of it is just malicious and increasingly deranged.

What your really trying to say is that the medias' attempt to destroy Trump could have been more effective. I agree but to do that they would need to have a level of credibility they have long lost.

Hahaha...
No. It's based on the shit that has come out of his mouth... that we've all seen and heard in real life. And his puerile behaviour, and the evidence he has shown that he is not fit for the office.
Nah... It's real. And once again, it has nothing to do with anyone else. So please try and get over it. LOL
You are having the same effect. God bless.
Lol

 

[Procrastinator35]

Going to be a lot of angry young people tomorrow when they realize the electors have done their job. Maybe then they will stop living in their fantasy world and accept the result of the election like most sane people have.

I'm not altogether convinced that Trump becoming POTUS, could happen in a predominantly sane world.

You said it. If war started it would be a doctor Strangelove situation for sure. (But if anyone could do it, trump would be that guy...LOL) China isn't into it though as we agree. I mentioned nukes only because China will win a war of attrition every day of the week. The only way to win would be with the use of non conventional weapons... But nobody wants war like this.
(It's almost silly to imagine China conquering north America... the logistics would be huge. And why would they? LOL)
China is a very unusual country for sure. Inspired by history, and manipulated by it at the same time.
It will be interesting to see if trump has any plan at all.

It'll be the same old, same old....Baffle them with bullshit.....And lots of it.

 

[yebiga]

What a load of garbage that is

You keep going on about "PC" and "bias media" yet you are the one who's choosing to see things that fits your own bias narrative, yet again more projection

Btw if you really think Donald Trump's tweets need that much interpretation coz they're clearly an excerpt of the Da Vinci code then you might need help

I would go on about PC crap if it wasn't relevant. What is one of the major condemnations of Trump? It's that he is a racist and a mysogynist!

This is the picture of him painted by our media and a PC culture which takes any misstatement very literally and cries gotcha - racist!

By your own admission you take things literally. You detect no hyperbole or metaphors in Trumps speech?

Exaggeration is not such an unusual thing for American culture. Well not in the past at least - today we are all very very serious. Very very careful not to make a verbal misstep. We also have got into the habit of not making anyone accountable for anything because it might stress them or hurt their feelings.

 

[Betty Noir]

I question that. Does all communication require a media analysis to make sense of it? Trump has communicated political positions to his audience while the conservative and liberal print media were hostile to those positions.



How does your understanding of culture leave you to interpret these two tweets?

To understand this you need to think like a 12 year old...join the words in the manner in which they appear on the page... look out the window for a couple of minutes, and presto!
Oil, Russia, money, deal. Me.