Play Nice 2016 Presidential Election Part 4 - President-Elect Trump

[Crow54]

Nice attempt at revisionist history. The original graph had no such claim. That title only came after I pointed out that you didn't notice the net favourability.

No, the headline proved that what I originally said was correct. My interpretation of the graph was that Putin's approval had gone up with Republicans.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

No, the headline proved that what I originally said was correct. My interpretation of the graph was that Putin's approval had gone up with Republicans.

And it has also gone up overall over the two combined.

Do you need me to point out the maths behind it?

 

[madmug]

A long diatribe is fun but I'll get index cramp addressing it all.
I would exchange ' Western Gument' for Gdubya Bush & his gang for most of the mess youve described.
Even the GEC was under Gdubya. Obama inherited it & has left office with the economy in the best shape its been in since Bush left office.

As far as news goes. I disagree with you. The vast majority dont want proper news. The figures show most watch the trash news on 7 & 9. Not 2, 24 & SBS.

With the variety of social & anti science issues I described, I'll stick to the people who research such stuff rather than just 'opinion'.

Thats just the problem with most things, too much opinion & not enough science & research.

It appears more & more that uninformed opinion 'Trumps' science & research.

 

[Jello_B]

No it doesn't, half the eligible voters didn't vote at all, they're as bad as the Trump voters, at least the Trump supporters would participate in the political process, whether you agree with their positions or not

Let's not even get into those fervent Hillary Clinton fans when she is also terrible in other ways, America is just a dumb country with the most powerful military in the world. Wish we can take those away and just let their circus run their show



I think they're dumber than most. It's the home of evangelical Christianity based on you making the pastors a private jet owner with a huge mansion "for Jesus", it's the home of pyramid schemes and shitty drugs that they sell legally to ruin people. It's not just about the world, Americans really aren't the sharpest tools in the shed

Not sure why you keep saying the US are so dumb? The US have led the world in technology and innovation, and have some of the best colleges in the world. They have led the entire world since WW2, and still do. Am I missing something with the repetitive posting about the US being dumb?
Which countries are smart in your opinion?

 

[Procrastinator35]

Putin has clued-in to the propaganda war & is using his RT arm to exposes U.S hypocrisy & duplicity.

Terrorism is a U.S creation & production....Always was & always has been, from 9/11 onwards.

 

[Jello_B]

And it has also gone up overall over the two combined.

Do you need me to point out the maths behind it?

Please don't it's painfully obvious what you are saying.

 

[Cooldude]

Not sure why you keep saying the US are so dumb? The US have led the world in technology and innovation, and have some of the best colleges in the world. They have led the entire world since WW2, and still do. Am I missing something with the repetitive posting about the US being dumb?
Which countries are smart in your opinion?

You are not sure? Then you are missing something

If only and only those tech guys get to vote, eh? They aren't even representative of the general populace, where their education constantly ranks quite poorly compare to other developed countries, they're constantly middle of the road.

You must have been living on Mars if you haven't heard of the longstanding reputation of Americans being stupid

Like, all the developed asian countries rank way higher in educational standard and levels than the Americans, Canada is always better, we are better, just go check it out yourself

 

[Jello_B]

You are not sure? Then you are missing something

If only and only those tech guys get to vote, eh? They aren't even representative of the general populace, where their education constantly ranks quite poorly compare to other developed countries, they're constantly middle of the road.

You must have been living on Mars if you haven't heard of the longstanding reputation of Americans being stupid

Like, all the developed asian countries rank way higher in educational standard and levels than the Americans, Canada is always better, we are better, just go check it out yourself

They rank equal with Australia for IQ (98).
I agree that they would be middle of the road and need to reinvest back into their education system, I just don't get your constant negativity towards American people and calling them dumb. What are you trying to achieve?
There is also a longstanding international label that Aussies are all bogans as well, I don't believe that either.

 

[madmug]

Putin has clued-in to the propaganda war & is using his RT arm to exposes U.S hypocrisy & duplicity.

Terrorism is a U.S creation & production....Always was & always has been, from 9/11 onwards.

The accepted first 'terrorist' incident was the Israeli Zionist bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946.
So clearly you are wrong. You can blame the US for a lot of things, but not that.
Some idea of History would have helped you their.

 

[Procrastinator35]

The accepted first 'terrorist' incident was the Israeli Zionist bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946.
So clearly you are wrong. You can blame the US for a lot of things, but not that.
Some idea of History would have helped you their.

Can't argue with your history, but more astute observers would recognize I'm referring to "terrorism' in it's current U.S, Western guise & propagandized context....As a supposedly & uniquely Islamic phenomenon.

 

[madmug]

Can't argue with your history, but more astute observers would recognize I'm referring to "terrorism' in it's current U.S, Western guise & propagandized context....As a supposedly & uniquely Islamic phenomenon.

Astute? Propagandized context??? Uniquely Islamic?? yer Wot?

Sorry but 'terrorism' is what it is. The use of terror, indiscriminate violence used to promote ideological religious or political ideals. First done by right wing Zionists.

 

[Chief]

You need to look at my posting
I replied as such due to the over reaction and hyperbole directed at Trump since the primaries
That has gotten worse since the election

You were the one who called him genocidal. So judgemental.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Astute? Propagandized context??? Uniquely Islamic?? yer Wot?

Sorry but 'terrorism' is what it is. The use of terror, indiscriminate violence used to promote ideological religious or political ideals. First done by right wing Zionists.

Again, correct.....But it is a tactic, not a noun, or a thing-in-itself....You cannot conduct war against a tactic.

Besides which, it's all out in the open now....The only actual terrorists are the U.S shadow govt, it's secret services & it's industrial military complex.

Not to mention the mass-murdering NAZI Cabal behind it all, ever since WW2.

 

[madmug]

Again, correct.....But it is a tactic, not a noun, or a thing-in-itself....You cannot conduct war against a tactic.

Besides which, it's all out in the open now....The only actual terrorists are the U.S shadow govt, it's secret services & it's industrial military complex.

Not to mention the mass-murdering NAZI Cabal behind it all, ever since WW2.

Bit heavy mate.

If they're a MM Nazi Cabal, why do they support Israel?

 

[Procrastinator35]

Bit heavy mate.

If they're a MM Nazi Cabal, why do they support Israel?

They don't care about ideology, they use ideology as a weapon for propaganda....If Islam is the terrorist enemy, then why are they in cahoots with the Saudi's?

Come on mate, open your eyes.

 

[madmug]

They don't care about ideology, they use ideology as a weapon for propaganda....If Islam is the terrorist enemy, then why are they in cahoots with the Saudi's?

Come on mate, open your eyes.

Because like Saddam, the Saudi family use Islam as a protective blanket. Their about as islamic as you or me. The real key is power. How to get it, how to use it & how to keep it.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Because like Saddam, the Saudi family use Islam as a protective blanket. Their about as islamic as you or me. The real key is power. How to get it, how to use it & how to keep it.

Oh absolutely....Trouble was, Saddam was looking to dump the green-back, whereas the Saudi's play ball....2 of the biggest players in the cabal are also Saudi families: The Kashogghi's & Bin Laden's.

Blaming The Russians comes straight out of the C.I.A handbook: Plausible deniability 101....Cover to hide their own rampant corruption for the fact that Democracy is all but dead in America, bar paying it lip-service....And the C.I.A & all the other 'secret-security' establishments are it's biggest threat....They have killed 1,000's since 9/11.

America is THE biggest threat to world peace & security....It is not the defender of democracy, but are it's worst enemy....These terror squads, armed & trained by the C.I.A are exactly the same as the NAZI S.S.....This is no exaggeration or hyperbole....It is the U.S that has enacted terror on the world & no one else.

 

[Moody Blue]

Again, correct.....But it is a tactic, not a noun, or a thing-in-itself....You cannot conduct war against a tactic.

Besides which, it's all out in the open now....The only actual terrorists are the U.S shadow govt, it's secret services & it's industrial military complex.

Not to mention the mass-murdering NAZI Cabal behind it all, ever since WW2.

Describe this US Shadow Govt. Do they override the President and Congress? Are they the defacto head of the Armed forces? Will the Joint Chiefs know who these people are and simply ignore the orders of the President? Is this Shadow Govt controlled by the soldiers, bureaucrats, leaders of Corporations? How did they come to exist? How many staff do they have and where are they located? How do they fund all of their activities? I am no fan of the US, but when terms like Shadow Govts are thrown around, then it needs to be challenged just to highlight how ridiculous it is. There have always been rumours that there are seven levels above the President. Who decides what the President does and does not see because of his security clearance? To infer that there is a shadow Govt is to suggest that things are being done without the knowledge of the US Govt. Rest assured they know what they are doing & what they have done.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Describe this US Shadow Govt. Do they override the President and Congress? Are they the defacto head of the Armed forces? Will the Joint Chiefs know who these people are and simply ignore the orders of the President? Is this Shadow Govt controlled by the soldiers, bureaucrats, leaders of Corporations? How did they come to exist? How many staff do they have and where are they located? How do they fund all of their activities? I am no fan of the US, but when terms like Shadow Govts are thrown around, then it needs to be challenged just to highlight how ridiculous it is. There have always been rumours that there are seven levels above the President. Who decides what the President does and does not see because of his security clearance? To infer that there is a shadow Govt is to suggest that things are being done without the knowledge of the US Govt. Rest assured they know what they are doing & what they have done.

No....That's not what a shadow Govt either means, entails nor infers.

What I am speaking of is the massive & substantial increase in all the secret services & the military....The eradication of transparency & the hiding behind 'That's classified' as a means to evade checks & balances.....The very things used to 'justify' WMD, Wars, 'Closed investigations', The Patriot Act, The denial of Habeus Corpus & illegal internment.

Want to see this in action for yourself?....Flick onto Amicus Humani Generis on You-tube, & watch Trey Gowdy grilling all these agencies heads in Congress, over these past 6 months.

You will be shocked & appalled at how they all think they are 'over & above' Congress & not answerable to the government, & ipso facto, the people.

Do yourself a favor & watch it....There is also the unaccounted for 9 trillion in the Fed Reserve....But we'll leave that for another discussion.

The U.S government is fully corrupted & rotten to it's core.

 

[Procrastinator35]

LOL....This one's a rip-snorter.

Who said Ruskies don't have a sense of humor.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/something-about-this-russia-story-stinks-w458439

This dramatic story puts the news media in a jackpot. Absent independent verification, reporters will have to rely upon the secret assessments of intelligence agencies to cover the story at all.



Many reporters I know are quietly freaking out about having to go through that again. We all remember the WMD fiasco.

The problem with this story is that, like the Iraq-WMD mess, it takes place in the middle of a highly politicized environment during which the motives of all the relevant actors are suspect. Nothing quite adds up.



If the American security agencies had smoking-gun evidence that the Russians had an organized campaign to derail the U.S. presidential election and deliver the White House to Trump, then expelling a few dozen diplomats after the election seems like an oddly weak and ill-timed response. Voices in both parties are saying this now.

Matt Taibbi is one of the journalists that I respect more than most and even he's a bit hesitant to take the American government at face value.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

On top of that, the Washington Post has been caught falsifying news to the detriment of Russia, again. One could almost accuse them of 'fake news' if I didn't suspect that they are just horribly inept.

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/31...-false-story-about-hacking-u-s-electric-grid/

WHAT’S THE PROBLEM here? It did not happen.

There was no “penetration of the U.S. electricity grid.” The truth was undramatic and banal. Burlington Electric, after receiving a Homeland Security notice sent to all U.S. utility companies about the malware code found in the DNC system, searched all its computers and found the code in a single laptop that was not connected to the electric grid.

Apparently, the Post did not even bother to contact the company before running its wildly sensationalistic claims, so Burlington Electric had to issue its own statement to the Burlington Free Press, which debunked the Post’s central claim (emphasis in original): “We detected the malware in a single Burlington Electric Department laptop NOT connected to our organization’s grid systems.”

Even worse, there is zero evidence that Russian hackers were even responsible for the implanting of this malware on this single laptop. The fact that malware is “Russian-made” does not mean that only Russians can use it; indeed, like a lot of malware, it can be purchased (as Jeffrey Carr has pointed out in the DNC hacking context, assuming that Russian-made malware must have been used by Russians is as irrational as finding a Russian-made Kalishnikov AKM rifle at a crime scene and assuming the killer must be Russian).

Now, considering this isn't the first time that the Washington Post has blatantly lied in a manner that represents propaganda, or at least a callous disrespect for facts. Are they playing the role of a state actor? Or, hopefully, are they just that lazy that they don't bother fact checking anymore? It's hardly a coincidence that the enmity of these papers is starting to pick up toward Russia while getting basic facts wrong. Are we seeing a situation reminiscent of the WMD saga as mentioned in the prior Taibbi article? I'd like to hear your thoughts, Ratts of Tobruk, as you tend to disagree with me on most non-Australian matters.

 

[GreyCrow]

His popularity in the western world has risen quite substantially. It's not at all 'idiotic' to suggest that.

Did you even read the graph? If you did, you'd see that the blue line was Democrats. Ergo, the Republican rise was greater than the Democrat decrease, which is a net increase.

Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/en...arity-republicans_us_58518a3ce4b092f08686bd6e

Did you read your own post?

No, the headline proved that what I originally said was correct. My interpretation of the graph was that Putin's approval had gone up with Republicans.

This is correct.

herculez09 you cant weasel out of this. You said Western World. I don't know how you can conflate the Republican Voters with the rest of the ''western world'' , actually you cant, you are wrong.

 

[Eliteflyboy]

The current emnity towards Putin/Russia on behalf of the Obama admin & the DNC/MSM wings of the C.I.A....Has everything to do with Putin exposing them as the ' Real Terrorists' in Syria & for putting a major spanner in their 'plans' for the Middle East.

The election blaming 'merry-go-round', is nothing but a cover for both that angst & Jill Stein's exposing rampant DNC corruption in those self-same polls.

Yet one more Diversionary tactic on the part of this 'black-ops' admin.

And at the same time as supposedly 'abstaining' on Israel in the U.N. This admin was handing over another $38 billion for Israels defense.....Obama the joke of a trickster.....It's all about 'seeming' & propaganda....Nothing more, nothing less.

Was it you that said the weeks after the election has seen classic CIA tactics?

It's looking more and more like Obama and his minions want to have a coup and keep Obama in the WH against the incoming admin. Provoking another country to war seems to fail so they probably will look to do a large scale false flag as their last option. Maybe take down the electrical grid and blame the Russian hackers again. Let Soros fund some riot groups and suspend the election.

Those sceptical about the grid hacking false flag, the US invited China and Russia to participate in Grid Ex. II.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Did you read your own post?

This is correct.

herculez09 you cant weasel out of this. You said Western World. I don't know how you can conflate the Republican Voters with the rest of the ''western world'' , actually you cant, you are wrong.

I didn't try to weasel out of it. I stated that between the Democrats and Republicans combined the graph shows a net increase. I thought it was self-explanatory that the Republican shift upward was greater than the Democrat shift downward.