Training Training Reports, Pics 2017

[ferrisb]

I will watch him in the NBs, I will assess him, I will promote him at the appropriate time.

You will like him and you will like it.....?

 

[Windhover]

Korcheck's issue is and always will be the same: time. There are so many little nuances to our game, technical skills and abilities that you must execute all at once, that make it difficult for mature aged guys to pick up. He's had no exposure to the game until 18-odd months ago and is coming from such a long way back getting decent footy out of him at VFL level would be extraordinary. He's too late to the game and will require patience that won't be rewarded.

What I saw of him last year was hardly revaltory. Marking was inconsistent. Skills poor. Decision making very stop start. The mechanics of the game demand a fluency I don't believe he'll be capable of. It doesn't matter what league or level you play at, the more guys you have incapable of contributing meaningfully no justifying their place in the side - the more guys others have to carry - the less competitive you'll be.

The Irish guys get it because the DNA of the two games is quite similar; in fact, one could argue the helter skelter, no stoppage nature of Gaelic football means your decision making under pressure must be exceptional. Therefore once they get to AFL some aspects of the game are actually a little slower for them.

The "mechanics" of the game are set by the Rules of the game. The Rules have changed big time for ruckmen.

With no more 3rd man up and previous rule changes designed to take much of the body skills away from ruck work, converted basketballers have a real advantage. Korcheck's height and strength suggest a durable unit for this position. IMO his development over 2016 was fine for a first year player and I am very much hoping to see him get games at AFL level this year.

Otherwise our ruck stocks are poor. Kreuzer at 200 cm without a big leap is now short for a ruckman and his restricted game time suggests he has never fully recovered from the compartment syndrome injury/knee injury. Phillips is a bit taller with perhaps a bigger spring but is not as good a footballer as K and doesn't look like he will develop to be as good as the best. Gorringe has shown nothing.

The Club would be right to be patient with Korcheck.

 

[Metalcrusher]

I'm not writing anyone off yet. The club is in a process of lifting the culture to elite standards, as well as improving leadership. There will be player(s) who response to the new culture who may have fallen by the wayside in previous years. These are young men who still need to be taught discipline at a higher standard than previously. Higher standards will improve players we thought didn't have it in them to play AFL football. We just don't have the luxury of players walking into an environment like Hawthorn or Sydney to fast track their development.




........well ok Jones is a write-off.

But but but Jones is a BEAST and we don't win without him .... so the stats say ........

 

[Canyouhearthedrums]

Korchek will get another year after this at the very least. They knew what they were getting in to when they signed him and I can't see them just suddenly cutting the experiment unless there is some major warming sign

 

[HARKER]

Korchek will get another year after this at the very least. They knew what they were getting in to when they signed him and I can't see them just suddenly cutting the experiment unless there is some major warming sign

Like this?

 

[HBF]

Yes, i remember you saying this quite recently.
Didn't you say that he pulled out once, not at least twice?
Nevermind, maybe a team mate called him out of the contest?

The one that really sticks in my mind was a marking contest where he and one opposition player were coming from the opposite direction and he pulled out of the contest. It happened right in front of me which is why I recall it so vividly. I realise not every player needs to be at the bottom of packs and the like, but when its your turn to go you just have to go.

 

[ShanDog]

With no more 3rd man up and previous rule changes designed to take much of the body skills away from ruck work...

How do you figure this Windy? I would imagine that restricting the ruck contest to the ruckmen only makes a skilled ruckman more important than they have been for quite some time. The only difference between now and the early 2000s and prior is that the rucks technically start the contest separated - this doesn't diminish the physical/bodywork skill set, it just alters it slightly. A great ruckman is worth their weight in gold from this season again.

 

[COBALT BLUE]

That's clearly a very good point and one I used to excess last year, when people were talking about moving on contracted players, Jones, Jaksch etc.
We ultimately retained Buckley & Graham also, for this very reason.

This is the wrong thread to discuss this in depth but it won't be difficult for SOS to clear at least 10 players....................one way or another.

Jaksch and jones would have been gone already and a few others..we are carrying quite a lot at the moment.
In the present environment at Carlton we are seeing a lot of 1 year contracts offered..i think most is a three year contract at the moment at the club.

 

[Manchego Cheese]

The "mechanics" of the game are set by the Rules of the game. The Rules have changed big time for ruckmen.

With no more 3rd man up and previous rule changes designed to take much of the body skills away from ruck work, converted basketballers have a real advantage. Korcheck's height and strength suggest a durable unit for this position. IMO his development over 2016 was fine for a first year player and I am very much hoping to see him get games at AFL level this year.

Otherwise our ruck stocks are poor. Kreuzer at 200 cm without a big leap is now short for a ruckman and his restricted game time suggests he has never fully recovered from the compartment syndrome injury/knee injury. Phillips is a bit taller with perhaps a bigger spring but is not as good a footballer as K and doesn't look like he will develop to be as good as the best. Gorringe has shown nothing.

The Club would be right to be patient with Korcheck.

What happens when he's not in a ruck contest?

 

[Aphrodite]

This is NOT a List Management thread FFS!

 

[Aphrodite]

You should have.
Some very valid points in there.

I did but don't tell Thy.

 

[Windhover]

How do you figure this Windy? I would imagine that restricting the ruck contest to the ruckmen only makes a skilled ruckman more important than they have been for quite some time. The only difference between now and the early 2000s and prior is that the rucks technically start the contest separated - this doesn't diminish the physical/bodywork skill set, it just alters it slightly. A great ruckman is worth their weight in gold from this season again.

You could be right but with every rule changes to rucking that has occurred since Big John's day (and there have been plenty) each one has been designed to favour the ruckman with height advantage over a ruckman who can use his body to advantage. Eliminating the 3rd man up means that the less talented taller ruckman only has his direct opponent to beat. Much like basketball. Combine that with the rules preventing pre-engagement can only assist a big, tall unit like Korchek to the detriment of a smaller, more skilled ruckman like Kreuzer.

Like you say, a great ruckman will be an asset. What has changed is what now makes the ruckman great.

 

[HARKER]

Plowman speaks..


Anyone care to do a "really good" count?

 

[RudyBlue]

Let me try and bracket them and happy to be wrong:

Gone: Jones, Gorringe, Lamb, Gallucci = 4
On a knifes edge: Buckley, Graham, Boekhorst, ASilvagni, Jaksch, Korchek = 6
Possibly to be let go: Rowe, White, Thomas, Casboult = 4
Possible retirees: Simpson, Armfield = 2

There's 16 players just for starters, that may be hard to argue about not being there in 2018.

Move Lamby up a rung, I'm an unashamed fan

 

[HARKER]

Move Lamby up a rung, I'm an unashamed fan

I have time for him also, but who has him in their starting team at the moment.

Out of contract and unless he has a very special year, he won't be offered the money he came to us on, either.

 

[HARKER]

Nice one Kym. We'll see a few of these due the course of the year.........even if it be in the VFL.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

^^^^

Noice.

 

[LanceRomance]

Nice one Kym. We'll see a few of these due the course of the year.........even if it be in the VFL.

When do we elevate rookies..?
Suspect he and A Silv will be promoted very quickly

 

[HARKER]

When do we elevate rookies..?
Suspect he and A Silv will be promoted very quickly

Another tall into the back-line? Something has to give.
Needs dependent of course, but Sheehan may still be the first cab off the rank.

We don't have the ability to promote rookies with our current set-up. 40/4/2
Rookies can only come forward via a LTI

 

[Jeremias]

When do we elevate rookies..?
Suspect he and A Silv will be promoted very quickly

We can only elevate a rookie when a spot becomes available, and even then we may opt against doing so.

We recently put Phillips on the LTI list so we can bring someone up...but we're not rushing into it.

 

[Soapy V]

Nice one Kym. We'll see a few of these due the course of the year.........even if it be in the VFL.

Something very "special" about this kid. [emoji41]

 

[Soapy V]

I have time for him also, but who has him in their starting team at the moment.

Out of contract and unless he has a very special year, he won't be offered the money he came to us on, either.

Still think his best spot is off HB. Like the way he goes about it. Underrated kick

 

[MightyMighties]

Move Lamby up a rung, I'm an unashamed fan

Yep, don't mind him.

Has a crack, good disposal, just needs to find it a bit more.

Could do much worse than having Lamb as a depth player I reckon.

 

[Jabba73]

Could do much worse than having Lamb as a depth player I reckon.

We already do ...

 

[COBALT BLUE]

Plowman speaks..


Anyone care to do a "really good" count?

Plowman in A grade condition at training and apperance was elite...we talk about Charlie looking defined this guy is just as good.our defence will be quite solid this year-those 7 wins are looking really doable = i hope we beat the lions by 50 points this year each time.
...and am expecting SPS to really sting a few teams[Palmer,Alex]probably easily make the 22 if fit...i think we may see a bit of a lift this year,not much but we are certainly not in the position we were a couple years ago.