Hawthorn FC worst nightmare the 2017 Draft

[Strapping Young Lad]

Well who is the current equivalent of Crawford, hodge, Mitchell, Croad, Sewell, Brown, Bateman, Osborne, Williams, Ladson and Campbell, who were the 2008 premiership players on the list prior to the 2004 draft.

Now not all of those mentioned were superstars, and only the first 4-5 were front liners.

Exactly my point.
In 2004 people were lining up to say Hawthorn's list was shit and that they had very little, if any youth coming through.
Hodge was still being pilloried as a draft bust on bigfooty.
Mitchell was seen as a run-of-the-mill inside mid to the point where opposition fans genuinely argued Daniel Harris was a superior player.
Sewell was a rookie listed player who played 6 unassuming games off half back. No one knew who he was.
Ladson(8 games), Campbell(14), Osborne(17) and Bateman(13), Williams(21) were all youngsters, who didn't have any fanfare.
Clinton Young was yet to join the rookie list.
Croad wasn't on Hawthorn's list.
Guerra was about to be delisted by St Kilda.

The same people lining up to say those blokes were not going to amount to anything are probably in here saying the same thing about Sicily, O'Brien, Howe, Lovell, Hardwick, Cousins, Hartung, Brand and whoever else they know on the Hawthorn list in 2017. It's what bigfooty does.

Granted no one thought a premiership was happening anytime soon in 2004, I would argue the current list is in even worse shape than that. But just say, for instance it isn't and it's on par with 2004, this is what happened next in 2004:

Got roughy, franklin and Lewis in the first 7 picks, 3 club legends in the 2004 draft. Not bad for 'speculative' draft picks.

Then further high picks in burchill and rioli made the side even stronger.

From that basis some canny recruiting from other clubs (Gilham and Dew), great coaching and a bit of luck landed a flag way ahead of what anyone thought possible in 2008.

So the differences to then and now are very obvious, you don't have any picks available anywhere early in this years draft, so chances of finding 3 future or current a graders at the end of the season are slim to none.

Hawthorn have Burton, Hardwick, Sicily and O'Brien who are looking like good future prospects, add a couple of the Academy players who are highly regarded, the youngest Langford(supposedly the best of the lot) and a solid pick at 35 and who knows where we are sitting in 3 years time. The possibility of Hawthorn finding good players is not that far fetched, and with more avenues, I'd argue, it's possibly easier.

Things can change extremely quickly. I'm not saying they will, but they can, and I don't understand why people get so upset by Hawthorn supporters suggesting that the direction of the club can be turned around in a couple of years with a few shrewd pick ups a FA or two and good trade.

Now I know there is free agency now and there wasn't then, but to find 3 a grade free agents would cost a crap load of money and they would all be at least in their mid 20s and on fairly decent money.

It's hard to know what Hawthorn have planned. How hard they go at a big fish, or whether they go for a couple of lesser lights. We've had a 'big fish' thread on the Hawk board for sometime ever since a couple of ITK posters suggested that Hawthorn had big plans for 2017 and 2018 trade/FA periods, and it's thrown up plenty of musings, proposals, thoughts and predictions as to what that could actually mean.

The other option is to bundle up players to get early picks, but that may translate to a first and second rounder at best, and further gut what current talent is there.

Clarkson is notorious for backing in his troops to come good, often to his detriment(see the first half of this year). He will move players on if he thinks they don't fit, or that their time is running out, but I can't see him moving on players like Gunston, Rioli or Breust for the chance at an early pick. It's not his go at all.

I will not be at all surprised if we head to the draft with the 2nd rounder we already have, and nothing earlier, while we trade away a couple of fringe players for 2nd and 3rd rounders. This will of course have Bigfooty bemused.

I've seen it time and time again with clubs thinking their infallible just because of who they are and what has happened in the past.

Hawthorn moving on Mitchell and Lewis is the very opposite of a club sitting back thinking that they'll just stay good forever without much thought.
That was a very bold move, and one which could be huge for the club going forward should JOM come good like Burgoyne did after his shakey start. Tom Mitchell is certainly having a great first season.

It never works like that, otherwise Fitzroy would of remained a super power, we would of never gone down the ladder and Essendon wouldn't of tried a dodgy supplements scheme to keep up.

Ahh, Hirdy. To think he did all that because "I hate them(HFC) more than anything", then proceeded to lose to Clarkson by an average of 12 goals a game while sending them to the brink of oblivion. Bless him.

2008 was the footballing equivalent of catching lightning in a bottle, you will realize how great an achievement it was as time goes on. Landing 3 club legends in one draft is probably a 1 in 50 year occurrence, at best.

No arguments here, and we got them up and playing great footy very early in their careers. Franklin kicked 7 in an EF as a 20yr old, 73 goals for year. Roughead with 40. Probably the best young duo the game has seen.

We've certainly not got much of a chance of bringing in 3 players like that this year from the draft, but with a kid like Burton who is playing his 20th game of football at any level since August 2014, developing as well as he is after missing so much footy, there's plenty to suggest that we might find them in other ways.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

O'Brien has shown some good signs just needs to do it more often and consistently.

Yep, his attitude and effort seems to fluctuate. I have no issue with Clarkson making sure he understands that effort is not conditional.

 

[Bradkli]

Watching Jed Anderson play at least numbs the pain at times...

 

[doppleganger]

Tom Mitchell is pretty good.
Sicily has kicked a lot of goals foe someone of so few games
O'Brien is now showing signs and his stats are outstanding for someone of such a low game tally

So there's four.

Tom Mitchell is 24, for plenty of clubs that is very much one of the senior players.

 

[SA HAWK]

Tom Mitchell is 24, for plenty of clubs that is very much one of the senior players.

Name one.

 

[doppleganger]

Name one.

Melbourne captain Jack Viney is 23
Collingwood vice captain Taylor Adams is also 23

Most teams average age of their playing list is 23-24, Brisbane is 22

 

[Yeti]

Name one.

Lachie Neale (24)
Nathan Fyfe (25)

 

[Fetnarr]

Melbourne captain Jack Viney is 23
Collingwood vice captain Taylor Adams is also 23

Most teams average age of their playing list is 23-24, Brisbane is 22

You're right. Tom is a veteran......time to retire him

 

[doppleganger]

You're right. Tom is a veteran......time to retire him

Yeah coz that is what was said.

When Carlton are talking about their young talent you reckon they are talking about Sam Docherty (another younger than T.Mitchell and in a leadership group) or Silvagni, Cripps, Curnow, Weitering, McKay, Petreski-seton, Marchbank?

 

[Simple_guy]

Sounds like O'meara is cooked tbh, so glad he chose hawthorne over us. He must be loving it though, don't play and still get 700-800k a year, gets to drive an audi, play 3-5 games a year. Good on him I say

 

[Fetnarr]

Yeah coz that is what was said.

When Carlton are talking about their young talent you reckon they are talking about Sam Docherty (another younger than T.Mitchell and in a leadership group) or Silvagni, Cripps, Curnow, Weitering, McKay, Petreski-seton, Marchbank?

I think they are talking about anyone under 23-24. 24-29 would be in their prime and 30+ would be veterans. But to be honest I don't give a crap and was just stirring you up.

 

[Blue1980]

You're right. Tom is a veteran......time to retire him

Your side has been full of aging champions maybe 24 seems like a young player when in AFL terms he is an established player. Obviously one who should play for another 8-9 seasons.

As someone previously stated docherty is younger than Mitchell but when we talk about our youth we don't mention him, he's seen as a more established player.

 

[Fetnarr]

Your side has been full of aging champions maybe 24 seems like a young player when in AFL terms he is an established player. Obviously one who should play for another 8-9 seasons.

As someone previously stated docherty is younger than Mitchell but when we talk about our youth we don't mention him, he's seen as a more established player.

It might seem novel but I actually just look at their age.

 

[TheKITC]

great post. I bet hawthorne supporters read this and thinking oh shit

Blissfully ignored my post up to this point, which really isn't that surprising.

Basically the thread goes;

Hawthorn supporter: We aren't ****ed. We are fine, we've made the right moves to sustain success, you wait and see...
Everyone else: You are in big trouble list wise, the O'Meara trade was horrible, obvious to everyone.
Hawthorn supporter: We've won premierships *excuses, excuses, excuses, excuses*. Nothing to see here.
Everyone else: Righto...

 

[yeahmate]

Sounds like O'meara is cooked tbh, so glad he chose hawthorne over us. He must be loving it though, don't play and still get 700-800k a year, gets to drive an audi, play 3-5 games a year. Good on him I say

Almost as good a deal as getting paid 1 mill not to coach for a year and doing an MBA in Paris while your patsies go down for drug cheating.

 

[stfan]

We've certainly not got much of a chance of bringing in 3 players like that this year from the draft, but with a kid like Burton who is playing his 20th game of football at any level since August 2014, developing as well as he is after missing so much footy, there's plenty to suggest that we might find them in other ways.

There is more to suggest that you will not in one year.

Just thinking you will is denying the rebuild that needs to occur. More troubling is you area Hawk is that Clarko still seems to think that he is in top up mod rather than rebuild mode now as well.

This is actually not the time to be chasing high profile players and if the Hawks go down that it will it will only lengthen the time required to rebuild rather than shorten it.

Plus with Hodge and Burgoyne booth cooked one star will not even address that both are going. And I personally doubt that the Hawks will actually land anyone of note anyway.

 

[7zark7]

Almost as good a deal as getting paid 1 mill not to coach for a year and doing an MBA in Paris while your patsies go down for drug cheating.

Pass the salt please.

 

[less than zero]

Almost as good a deal as getting paid 1 mill not to coach for a year and doing an MBA in Paris while your patsies go down for drug cheating.

Relevance? Oh I get it, both men caused their clubs to be the patsies along with their careers ending soon after.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Watching Jed Anderson play at least numbs the pain at times...

Yep you guys won that deal continuing a tradition of flogging North at the trade table

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

There is more to suggest that you will not in one year.

Just thinking you will is denying the rebuild that needs to occur. More troubling is you area Hawk is that Clarko still seems to think that he is in top up mod rather than rebuild mode now as well.

This is actually not the time to be chasing high profile players and if the Hawks go down that it will it will only lengthen the time required to rebuild rather than shorten it.

Plus with Hodge and Burgoyne booth cooked one star will not even address that both are going. And I personally doubt that the Hawks will actually land anyone of note anyway.

You've misread the post. I wasn't meaning that we'd find them all in one year.

 

[craffles]

Sounds like O'meara is cooked tbh, so glad he chose hawthorne over us. He must be loving it though, don't play and still get 700-800k a year, gets to drive an audi, play 3-5 games a year. Good on him I say

I actually believe he would be feeling quite the opposite. When you play for a football club you never want to let them down (be it local or professional level). Jaeger would be starting to feel some intense internal pressure to get back on the park and deliver given the salary he has commanded and what that means for the club/himself.

I just hope he has the right support networks both at the footy club and in his personal life to overcome this latest setback.

 

[Pessimistic]

There is more to suggest that you will not in one year.

Just thinking you will is denying the rebuild that needs to occur. More troubling is you area Hawk is that Clarko still seems to think that he is in top up mod rather than rebuild mode now as well.

This is actually not the time to be chasing high profile players and if the Hawks go down that it will it will only lengthen the time required to rebuild rather than shorten it.

Plus with Hodge and Burgoyne booth cooked one star will not even address that both are going. And I personally doubt that the Hawks will actually land anyone of note anyway.

There you go assuming the rebuild is to another four flags in eight years standard team. The task isn't that big, even if it seems to be Continually too hard for the saints blues demons tigers bombers kangaroos

 

[Pessimistic]

Blissfully ignored my post up to this point, which really isn't that surprising.

Basically the thread goes;

Hawthorn supporter: We aren't ******. We are fine, we've made the right moves to sustain success, you wait and see...
Everyone else: You are in big trouble list wise, the O'Meara trade was horrible, obvious to everyone.
Hawthorn supporter: We've won premierships *excuses, excuses, excuses, excuses*. Nothing to see here.
Everyone else: Righto...

Others:
You can only really get good players via
The draft
Hawks:
Ok that's why we drafted seven in 2015
Others:
Yes but they're no good
Hawks:
But we got them through the draft like you said. And it's too soon to tell
Others:
Oh it takes several years of drafting average players to be any good as a team
Hawks:
Oh I see. And with some teams they actually get steadily worse over many many years. That must suck

 

[Gavin Excell]

If it was known Omeara would miss the majority of this season as now looks likely, i wonder if Hawks would have pursued him.

 

[Fetnarr]

There is more to suggest that you will not in one year.

Just thinking you will is denying the rebuild that needs to occur. More troubling is you area Hawk is that Clarko still seems to think that he is in top up mod rather than rebuild mode now as well.

This is actually not the time to be chasing high profile players and if the Hawks go down that it will it will only lengthen the time required to rebuild rather than shorten it.

Plus with Hodge and Burgoyne booth cooked one star will not even address that both are going. And I personally doubt that the Hawks will actually land anyone of note anyway.

What makes you think Hawk supporters expect it to turn around in one year. Most of us expect us to be worse next year before starting the climb back up somewhere in the next 2-3 years. All we are saying is it won't necessarily take 5-10 years to make it happen. Our first draft pick is in the mid 30's, this year is the perfect year to target free agents, and trades if a decent one comes up. Every year is the right year to bring in elite talent if you can manage it. We can hit the draft hard for the next 2-3 years. No one knows how this going to play out but it astounds me how oppo fans can not understand why hawk fans would put faith in the club which has proven it knows how to assemble a premiership list on multiple occasions over the last 10 years, over the supporters of teams who have done nothing in recent history apart maybe bringing the game into disrepute.