Strategy Trade and List Management thread 4 (Be sure to huddle around your transitor radio at 11 am Edition)

[Doggy]

Kelly, Pittard, Lever should be targets.

I only know of Lever though and odds are against us.

Matera not a bad small forward option

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

To any Crows recruiters reading this, we're all kidding of course. We have a list of champions.

To Josh Kelly, come and play with your great mate Bont.

Eat your heart out Dangerwood- we would have Bontempkelly

 

[Dogs Rule]

Eat your heart out Dangerwood- we would have Bontempkelly

I have to take a bib to the game to stop dribbling.

 

[Zephiisdaman]

Ffs


Seriously he's barely turned 19 and being asked to play on some of the elite forwards. Similar to Young, no one wants trade him. All our defenders are copping it at the moment happens when your midfield is not helping out

Awareness and speed are inherent traits. He has neither. His decision making under pressure is awful also. That can be modified with experience and knowledge of your own game.
His strengths are ball reading and knowing how to get the nut. He isn't explosive enough for a hbf, however that's not to say he might not become an inside mid. At this stage he is a long way behind other inside mids.

 

[Zephiisdaman]

To any Crows recruiters reading this, we're all kidding of course. We have a list of champions.

To Josh Kelly, come and play with your great mate Bont.

I have undersold him a bit. Sorry.

 

[Zephiisdaman]

You can never have enough fast players. Pittard needs to be a target even if he isn't best 22.
Not only to break away from packs and get handball receives. It's the off ball speed that is killing us.
Pace to lead into space and create openings for others. Pace to chase an opponent, pace to get out of trouble, pace to cover our zone.

Pace is an under rated skillset. It should be rated very highly

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

Awareness and speed are inherent traits. He has neither. His decision making under pressure is awful also. That can be modified with experience and knowledge of your own game.
His strengths are ball reading and knowing how to get the nut. He isn't explosive enough for a hbf, however that's not to say he might not become an inside mid. At this stage he is a long way behind other inside mids.

He was exceptionally good in the midfield in the VFL finals last year. He is going to be a big unit one he grows a bit more so agree midfield is where he will end up. Kicks goals too- would not be trading him

 

[Wizard17]

This thread has gone into a strange state all of a sudden.

 

[TMoney22]

Not re-signing Crameri has me very hopeful that we have some big recruiting plans in the works

Well if we trade for Lever or Kelly and Crameri isn't resigned then we should be adding him into the equation of what we lose. I think its just stupid getting rid of Crameri, a type of player we are crying out for. Someone who can kick goals and gut run. All of us would be very happy if we drafted someone just like him, yet we are willing to let him go.
Why not get rid of Jong, Smith or the combination of Honeychurch/Webb. An average Crameri is far more valuable than those and many others in our team

 

[Gollo]

No I disagree on the beep test. It's just a way to measure fitness. But it's far from perfect or accurate. Therefore it is given far too much credence. It is just a tough guide in my opinion.
Exactly my point on Rayner. Just because a poor beeper doesn't mean he lacks fitness. Proved in Nationals his quality.

Sorry, but you're simply not right about Rayner. He does lack fitness. He does not have the fitness required to play extended periods in the midfield. You cannot defend an 11.10 beep. It is a clear indication that he lacks fitness. The beep test is far more reliable than you are giving it credit for - it's worked for years. Guys with endurance last, guys without drop off. It also works on a mindset level; about one's preparedness to just keep going and finding a way to make the beep, which is relevant to AFL footballers' gut running.

 

[Dav1d]

Sorry, but you're simply not right about Rayner. He does lack fitness. He does not have the fitness required to play extended periods in the midfield. You cannot defend an 11.10 beep. It is a clear indication that he lacks fitness. The beep test is far more reliable than you are giving it credit for - it's worked for years. Guys with endurance last, guys without drop off. It also works on a mindset level; about one's preparedness to just keep going and finding a way to make the beep, which is relevant to AFL footballers' gut running.

I love Rayner and even I agree with everything you said, he's more of a medium forward than he is a midfielder & I thought he had quite an average year at the Nationals off the back of expected improvement from last year.

 

[Dog 36]

Why promote Lynch? I know he's had a few injury issues but his defensive work and contested game has hardly improved. I think he'll be lucky to survive on the rookie list.

He has a skill set that our side lacks good foot skills and pace. Worth persevering with.

 

[Doggy]

Morris to play on

 

[Doggy]

This thread has gone into a strange state all of a sudden.

The realisation that we blew it in a weak year has dawned on most

 

[Gollo]

Inputting Jake Lever and no one else, I come up with this as our would-be best 22 next year:

Medium defenders: Dale Morris, Easton Wood
Running wing/defenders: Shane Biggs, Jason Johannisen, Bailey Williams, Lachie Hunter
Midfielders: Jack Macrae, Luke Dahlhaus, Mitch Wallis, Tom Liberatore
Mid/forwards: Bailey Dale, Marcus Bontempelli, Toby McLean, Caleb Daniel
Forwards: Jake Stringer, Liam Picken
KPPs: Zaine Cordy, Lewis Young, Jake Lever, Marcus Adams
Versatile rucks: Jordan Roughead, Tom Boyd

Then, accounting for the losses of Murphy, Boyd, Cloke, Crameri, Prudden, Hamilton, Honeychurch and then possibly Webb and Redpath, we get:

Surplus: Dunkley, Jong, C Smith, Roberts, Lipinski, Collins, Dickson, English, Suckling, (Webb, Redpath)
Developing possibilities: R Smith, Lynch, Greene
Developing unlikelies: Mullenger-McHugh, Tweedie

The need for pacey, clean outside types is pretty obvious, but I am against going for Kelly. We have a very strong core, one which becomes really solid if we acquire Lever, so we need to address this issue through the acquisition of multiple role players in the right age bracket. Pittard fits the bill here, and there would be others we could target through the draft from the second round onwards. I also really like Darcy Lang - if we could pick up him and Pittard the issue would go a long way to being resolved. Even Balic would be a nice addition.

If Redpath does, in fact, leave, we'll need to target another KPP role player in the same vein as mentioned before. Others we can target through the draft.

You look at Hawthorn of 2013-15, and they filled their teams with guys who would just come in and do the job reliably. They had a strong core of Mitchell, Hodge, Burgoyne, Roughead, Smith, Lewis and Rioli yet no out-and-out stars of the Dusty, Dangerfield, Ablett variety. Then they filled their remaining spots not with other hopeful stars, but with guys they knew could do the job in the right age bracket. This is what we need to do. If we can attract Lever, we don't need to go looking at more Josh Kelly types. We need the role players who can fill the holes in our list cheaply and let our best existing talent lead the brigade.

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

Inputting Jake Lever and no one else, I come up with this as our would-be best 22 next year:

Medium defenders: Dale Morris, Easton Wood
Running wing/defenders: Shane Biggs, Jason Johannisen, Bailey Williams, Lachie Hunter
Midfielders: Jack Macrae, Luke Dahlhaus, Mitch Wallis, Tom Liberatore
Mid/forwards: Bailey Dale, Marcus Bontempelli, Toby McLean, Caleb Daniel
Forwards: Jake Stringer, Liam Picken
KPPs: Zaine Cordy, Lewis Young, Jake Lever, Marcus Adams
Versatile rucks: Jordan Roughead, Tom Boyd

Then, accounting for the losses of Murphy, Boyd, Cloke, Crameri, Prudden, Hamilton, Honeychurch and then possibly Webb and Redpath, we get:

Surplus: Dunkley, Jong, C Smith, Roberts, Lipinski, Collins, Dickson, English, Suckling, (Webb, Redpath)
Developing possibilities: R Smith, Lynch, Greene
Developing unlikelies: Mullenger-McHugh, Tweedie

The need for pacey, clean outside types is pretty obvious, but I am against going for Kelly. We have a very strong core, one which becomes really solid if we acquire Lever, so we need to address this issue through the acquisition of multiple role players in the right age bracket. Pittard fits the bill here, and there would be others we could target through the draft from the second round onwards. I also really like Darcy Lang - if we could pick up him and Pittard the issue would go a long way to being resolved. Even Balic would be a nice addition.

If Redpath does, in fact, leave, we'll need to target another KPP role player in the same vein as mentioned before. Others we can target through the draft.

You look at Hawthorn of 2013-15, and they filled their teams with guys who would just come in and do the job reliably. They had a strong core of Mitchell, Hodge, Burgoyne, Roughead, Smith, Lewis and Rioli yet no out-and-out stars of the Dusty, Dangerfield, Ablett variety. Then they filled their remaining spots not with other hopeful stars, but with guys they knew could do the job in the right age bracket. This is what we need to do. If we can attract Lever, we don't need to go looking at more Josh Kelly types. We need the role players who can fill the holes in our list cheaply and let our best existing talent lead the brigade.

Who is a Josh Kelly- type? Guy is unique. Really strong at the contest, runs like the wind and a beautiful kick.

 

[Gollo]

Who is a Josh Kelly- type? Guy is unique. Really strong at the contest, runs like the wind and a beautiful kick.

I mean Josh Kelly-calibre. If we get Lever we don't need to splash the cash at a star - multiple role players can help our overall structure in the same way without placing strain on our salary cap.

 

[Dogsman16]

Inputting Jake Lever and no one else, I come up with this as our would-be best 22 next year:

Medium defenders: Dale Morris, Easton Wood
Running wing/defenders: Shane Biggs, Jason Johannisen, Bailey Williams, Lachie Hunter
Midfielders: Jack Macrae, Luke Dahlhaus, Mitch Wallis, Tom Liberatore
Mid/forwards: Bailey Dale, Marcus Bontempelli, Toby McLean, Caleb Daniel
Forwards: Jake Stringer, Liam Picken
KPPs: Zaine Cordy, Lewis Young, Jake Lever, Marcus Adams
Versatile rucks: Jordan Roughead, Tom Boyd

Then, accounting for the losses of Murphy, Boyd, Cloke, Crameri, Prudden, Hamilton, Honeychurch and then possibly Webb and Redpath, we get:

Surplus: Dunkley, Jong, C Smith, Roberts, Lipinski, Collins, Dickson, English, Suckling, (Webb, Redpath)
Developing possibilities: R Smith, Lynch, Greene
Developing unlikelies: Mullenger-McHugh, Tweedie

The need for pacey, clean outside types is pretty obvious, but I am against going for Kelly. We have a very strong core, one which becomes really solid if we acquire Lever, so we need to address this issue through the acquisition of multiple role players in the right age bracket. Pittard fits the bill here, and there would be others we could target through the draft from the second round onwards. I also really like Darcy Lang - if we could pick up him and Pittard the issue would go a long way to being resolved. Even Balic would be a nice addition.

If Redpath does, in fact, leave, we'll need to target another KPP role player in the same vein as mentioned before. Others we can target through the draft.

You look at Hawthorn of 2013-15, and they filled their teams with guys who would just come in and do the job reliably. They had a strong core of Mitchell, Hodge, Burgoyne, Roughead, Smith, Lewis and Rioli yet no out-and-out stars of the Dusty, Dangerfield, Ablett variety. Then they filled their remaining spots not with other hopeful stars, but with guys they knew could do the job in the right age bracket. This is what we need to do. If we can attract Lever, we don't need to go looking at more Josh Kelly types. We need the role players who can fill the holes in our list cheaply and let our best existing talent lead the brigade.

Would we move Adams forward with Cordy, Lever and Morris as the tall defenders??

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

You can never have enough fast players. Pittard needs to be a target even if he isn't best 22.
Not only to break away from packs and get handball receives. It's the off ball speed that is killing us.
Pace to lead into space and create openings for others. Pace to chase an opponent, pace to get out of trouble, pace to cover our zone.

You don't chase a guy asking for over $500k a year to be depth.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Would we move Adams forward with Cordy, Lever and Morris as the tall defenders??

Depends on match ups but Adams is our best hope against the gorilla Dixon types.

 

[Dogsman16]

Depends on match ups but Adams is our best hope against the gorilla Dixon types.

Well in that line up he's got Cordy Young, Lever, Morris and Adams all in the best 22.

Someone's gotta move forward. Agree with you though Adams is probably the best one on one out of all of them.

 

[Pannalstaroz]

You don't chase a guy asking for over $500k a year to be depth.

You'll never make it as Derek Hine's replacement with that attitude.

 

[Doggy]

Lowest we finish now is 11th. Hawthorn lost

 

[Gollo]

Would we move Adams forward with Cordy, Lever and Morris as the tall defenders??

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Ideally we could have Young, Cordy and Lever on talls so that Morris could play a medium defender role, with Adams up forward.

 

[VogonProsthetnic]

Just out or interest- if it was a choice between Lever, Kelly or Darcy Moore- which one should we go for.?

I'd go for Moore