Strategy Trade and List .Management thread 5 (...the post coitus cigarette. Edition)

[LittleG]

Geelong like marking forwards for the game style, dont think you need to be Wells to work that one out.

Cats wanted Stringer to take a pay cut.... so, yes he fitted your future game style.

 

[catman2006]

And that's why the Cats were into him..FFS it appears the Cats have been outbid. Save your BS excuses for your own Board m8.

If we wanted Stringer we would offer 5 year 700k deal, but fact remains Cats Tigers dont want a bar of him now, and Essendon will be fun to trade with NOT.....

 

[Struggle]

If we wanted Stringer we would offer 5 year 700k deal, but fact remains Cats Tigers dont want a bar of him now, and Essendon will be fun to trade with NOT.....

Cool, you don't want him, then why the **** are you here telling us you don't want him?

He rejected your club, not the other way around

 

[BRWB]

If we wanted Stringer we would offer 5 year 700k deal, but fact remains Cats Tigers dont want a bar of him now, and Essendon will be fun to trade with NOT.....

Piss off m8. You sound like the bloke who asks the hot babe for a root and when you get rejected you tell everyone she was pig ugly and you weren't interested anyway. lol.

Jog on m8

 

[Ambrosia]

dodoro is going to come out and say under no circumstances will 11 be involved.

We can’t afford to blink here, they have as much to lose as we do if they can’t land a big fish.

Unfortunately I think we end up accepting some pick swaps etc that sees us lose the trade, but I just hope we make a stand. He can sit on the sidelines for a year - you can’t lose these trades when the player is contracted.

Yeah the talk of not trading pick 11 is quite obviously a ploy to try and extract a second or third rounder as well as Stringer from the dogs.

 

[Yojimbo]

Given that Geelong don't have the pick would we consider a straight swap - Stringer for Duncan?

You could only hope they are that dumb, Stringer for
Horlin-Smith is more on the money.

Anyhow he is going to Essendon.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

No Stringer is not for the Cats won't suit our style of play, think Bombers will be his choice...

Congratulation. You're well ahead of the media pack with this startling pronouncement.

Got anything else for us nostradumbass?

 

[boncer34]

"Pick 11 isn't on the table"

Yawn. Standard practice.

Enjoy pick 11.

 

[Roscoe_au]

"Pick 11 isn't on the table"

Yawn. Standard practice.

Enjoy pick 11.

The worry at the Bulldogs end will be that it's finally offered up at 3:58pm on the Friday jeopardising anything else we want to do.

Although if we're also likely to trade for Schache and Goldy - probably not a bad idea.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Yeah the talk of not trading pick 11 is quite obviously a ploy to try and extract a second or third rounder as well as Stringer from the dogs.

Probably right but as he is contracted, I don’t see it happening

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Pick 11 is not on the table in the same way that, "Tom Boyd will not be traded under any circumstances."

It'll be Stringer plus another asset for 11. Not happy about it but I'm pretty confident that sort of framework will be worked out relatively quickly.

 

[Le Archie]

Pick 11 is not on the table in the same way that, "Tom Boyd will not be traded under any circumstances."

It'll be Stringer plus another asset for 11. Not happy about it but I'm pretty confident that sort of framework will be worked out relatively quickly.

Agree. The same way St Kilda said pick 5 will under no circumstances be used in the Carlisle deal. We will get some change with Stringer for pick 11 and it will be done. Hopefully early in the week.

 

[who_let_the_dogs_out]

If Stringer turns his game around that will be a pretty potent forward line for Essendon. FML

Hope Jmac can pull something amazing at the trade table with picks 9 and 11. Please not Schache. Hes been pretty underwhelming in the lions games Ive seen.

 

[doggies ftw]

Pick 11 for Stringer and change? Boooo

 

[The Inbetweener]

Don’t see why we would give change
He is contracted
If they want him bad enough they pay the price

 

[Dog 36]

IMO Pick 11 is not enough for Jake.

We also need a pick in 2018

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Don’t see why we would give change
He is contracted
If they want him bad enough they pay the price

Of course, this is it from our perspective.

If we were on the other side, can you guarantee you'd be saying the same thing? I wager we'd be looking at the fact that most clubs have seemingly ruled him out, the club he was a premiership player at is obsessed with the idea of getting him out, and that he is two years gone from quality football.

He's a difficult player to find a value for and that's the reason I'm against trading him. Unfortunately we've shown our hand and that hand seems to indicate that there's no way Stringer returns next year. If that is indeed the case and the industry knows it then we're going to lose our bargaining power.

 

[BRWB]

Of course, this is it from our perspective.

If we were on the other side, can you guarantee you'd be saying the same thing? I wager we'd be looking at the fact that most clubs have seemingly ruled him out, the club he was a premiership player at is obsessed with the idea of getting him out, and that he is two years gone from quality football.

He's a difficult player to find a value for and that's the reason I'm against trading him. Unfortunately we've shown our hand and that hand seems to indicate that there's no way Stringer returns next year. If that is indeed the case and the industry knows it then we're going to lose our bargaining power.

The valuation is difficult. For the exercise I looked at
two trades in similar circumstances where the the losing club effectively sacked the traded players.

Bennell and Fevola.

I'd imagine Stringer sits somewhere in between. Given he's proven more than Bennell and hasn't had any drug use splashed across the front page, he is probably worth closer to a Fev price than Bennell.

Fev and 27 went to Brisbane for Henderson (equivalent 1st rd pick) and 12
Bennell and 22 went to Freo for 16 and 35

Putting it in EFC currency terms and less than Fev but more than Bennell...

EFC - Stringer, 45
Dogs: P11, EFC 2018 2nd rd

That may be a fair price.

I can't imagine Dodoro wanting to pay anywhere close to a fair price though. Not how he rolls.

 

[The Inbetweener]

Of course, this is it from our perspective.

If we were on the other side, can you guarantee you'd be saying the same thing? I wager we'd be looking at the fact that most clubs have seemingly ruled him out, the club he was a premiership player at is obsessed with the idea of getting him out, and that he is two years gone from quality football.

He's a difficult player to find a value for and that's the reason I'm against trading him. Unfortunately we've shown our hand and that hand seems to indicate that there's no way Stringer returns next year. If that is indeed the case and the industry knows it then we're going to lose our bargaining power.

I get what you are saying, but I also think they can’t afford to not get him.
They still think they are a big club
A player has nominated them, a first player in a long time, if they don’t land him they look bad.

Ultimately we have the option of sitting jake out for a year (this is extremely unlikely) if a trade isn’t done.

For them, they have no option except to wait another 12 months if a trade isn’t done

 

[footyfan000001]

I don't see how schache makes sense for us at all.

Maybe for 2018 to play Boyd in the ruck, but as soon as English is ready, where the hell does Boyd play? Him and schache in the forward line sounds awful.

Schache is a hell of a lot more mobile than Boyd ever will be.

 

[Mutt]

Of course, this is it from our perspective.

If we were on the other side, can you guarantee you'd be saying the same thing? I wager we'd be looking at the fact that most clubs have seemingly ruled him out, the club he was a premiership player at is obsessed with the idea of getting him out, and that he is two years gone from quality football.

He's a difficult player to find a value for and that's the reason I'm against trading him. Unfortunately we've shown our hand and that hand seems to indicate that there's no way Stringer returns next year. If that is indeed the case and the industry knows it then we're going to lose our bargaining power.

Dannnn I think you might be underplaying how much the decision makers at clubs know about the various players at other clubs.

Stringer's issues are well enough known that almost every Victorian club has passed on Jake without showing more than a glimmer of interest. And most of the well connected media people describe Stringer as damaged goods, or as a huge gamble. Given Stringer's prodigious talent, every club should happily part with a top 10 pick and $750k a year for a 23 year old prodigy. But they aren't. And that isn't because of anything the club did.

 

[boncer34]

IMO Pick 11 is not enough for Jake.

We also need a pick in 2018

Yeah nah.

If that happens we'd get change.

 

[lifesaver]

Perfect post. There is a reason noone wants him (including us) and we will take a shit offer.... Mutt nailed it!

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[Rookie]

EFC - Stringer, 45
Dogs: P11, EFC 2018 2nd rd

That would be very nice, and pretty fair. Not sure we should be giving ANY change if we're getting pick 11, and a future draft pick is more valuable for us.

 

[King Harold]

Pick 11 for Stringer and change? Boooo

Yeah , this " change" bit gives me the brace & bits !