Live Event 2017 AFL Draft - #2, #5, #42, #60, #66, #70, #77, #80, #90

[Clems Knee]

Are you saying just because Jordon surname is Butts you can make fun of his whole family or try to relate him to Seymour.

Serious?
I thought it was explained well.

See more Butts. Geddit?

 

[UFO Tatsu]

Are you saying just because Jordon surname is Butts you can make fun of his whole family or try to relate him to Seymour. Then might as well said all Freo players go to Cockburn training facilities to get their **** burn .

*sigh*

 

[jusjoshin]

Are you saying just because Jordon surname is Butts you can make fun of his whole family or try to relate him to Seymour. Then might as well said all Freo players go to Cockburn training facilities to get their **** burn .

The Australian way.

Like how Swallow is nicknamed Spitter. If there is a chance for an inappropriate nickname, then it is pretty much a certainty.

 

[meima]

Serious?
I thought it was explained well.

See more Butts. Geddit?

So his name is not Jordon Butts is see more Butts is it ? I don't get it ,you don't like people to call suban as Susan ,yet you don't mind people related Jordon to See more . Is the same intention of making fun of players .

 

[tonygeeks]

I haven't been online much - but I'm going to take the time now to say something since I'm sick and tired of seeing this back and forth Naughton nonsense every time I have a chance to skim through this thread.

Last year our club and recruiters killed it - we picked up 3 players who 12 months on will be first picked B22 players (Logue / Darcy / Ryan) - This year we have 2, 5, 42 and 60. We have the potential of adding another 3 (Hopefully) first picked B22 walk ins by the halfway point of the 2018 season. Our club are the only ones who have the right eyes for our lists needs and potential stocks and I have faith they will use #2 and #5 as effectively as possible.

I know as supporters having Pick 2 and 5 can be stressful since you want the best possible outcome and you think you know what we need - but let's just take a breather and not get all protective and restless over it.

Sure I have personal preferences but the reasoning is never from an expert standpoint - more so I tunnel vision one aspect on-field that has leaks and just think of the first solution. The club is looking at every little situation in every single position on every part of that list.

So before people continue to mindlessly brush off Naughton then question the following:

Do we know if Naughton and the club have spoken and agreed to have him developed as a forward long-term?
Do we know if Cox will be going down to the back-line or not as his career goes on?
Do we know if Collins was moved on because we had planned to pick up Naughton?
Do we know if Alex Pearce will be a full-time footballer again?
Do we know if Johnson will play more than 10 games next year?
Do we know if Pick 2 was forced so we could get away with securing Naughton at 5?


Do we even know what the club is talking about between the four walls?!

The answer to those questions - we have NFI.

If the club thinks we take Naughton at 5 then we take him at 5. There is no need to get toxic and immature whenever his name pops up in this thread. The more I think about it also - we need KP stocks regardless so we may as well take the best at 5 because we will get better midfielders at 42 and 60 than KPs.

Don't know about the rest of it but I'm 100% sure I know what they're talking about between the four walls ............. how much we need a bloody roof

Sorry


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[Purpellian Anchor]

I can easily see one of the big guys (Allen, Hayes or Brander) sliding, much like Battle and Rotham did in their draft. I have no evidence to back this up, just a gut feel. They all don’t look to be exceptional talents and if you picked up another big player around the 45-60 mark, are they going to be that much worse?

Yes a few will slide and a few rise up. Early on, if one of them took a few big marks or kicked a long goal etc they were in the lights as early picks, especially on the presumption of what clubs needs might be...eg Freo needing a KPF case in point Twomey and us choosing Brander in his early forecast.

Now as we get closer to the draft greater scrutiny of the players all round performance and efforts that impact on other players and team performance come into the assessment I suggest. On that point, Allen, Naughton, Krueger and Taylor will all rise significantly imop from the earlier moc draft and media opinions.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

You like all kind of Butts , don't lie .

but but butt, he could be called "ciggy"

 

[meima]

but but butt, he could be called "ciggy"

Ok back to topic , not yet draft new players , most of us already looking forward to new whipping boy or giving them some good Nickname .

 

[eastfreo75]

Yep, you could compare him a little bit like Darling who at 17 was touted a top 3 pick. Will history
repeat itself?

Same as Burton and Lever.
Great at 17 and get an injury and play badly as 18 yr old.

For me, Fogarty at pick 5 please.

 

[Belnakor]

i just hope who ever we pick we at least don't go for a "smokey" with such a high pick (we have done in the past with Hill which was a massive risk). Picks in the top 5 you need to go for more of the consensus. Take a punt with the lower first rounds.

 

[Nickos66]

The thought of a late draft bolter kinda scares me at this point, I want 2 of Rayner, LDU, Brayshaw, Stephenson & Fogarty.

 

[rgauci]

The thought of a late draft bolter kinda scares me at this point, I want 2 of Rayner, LDU, Brayshaw, Stephenson & Fogarty.

Add Cerra, Dow and Higgins. I can’t see us picking anyone else. Aside from the ones you’ve mentioned and mine.

 

[Nickos66]

Cerra & Dow from what I've read over the last few months, although sound like long term A-grade role-players - the rest excite me more.

 

[Dockernut]

i just hope who ever we pick we at least don't go for a "smokey" with such a high pick (we have done in the past with Hill which was a massive risk). Picks in the top 5 you need to go for more of the consensus. Take a punt with the lower first rounds.

One thing we have an opportunity to address with this particular draft is our lack of big bodies in the guts (or more accurately our recent decline in the number of big bodies). So often I see us run out onto the field and think how much physically smaller we look in comparison to our opponents. Now I know that height and weight doesn't a footballer make, but if you have players that are widely rated as top-end talent AND they also happen to be big units (LDU and Fog) available at your picks, it just seems like a very straightforward decision. And if one of them goes before our pick, we take Brayshaw.

This is the strategy I hope we take.

 

[Eski3]

For all the people worried about us trading away our 2018 draft picks, I came across this article today

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2016-05-09/bumper-2017-draft-looms

May 9, 2016 12:42 PM

Clubs may be more reluctant to trade future draft selections this year with a bumper crop of prospects expected to be available in 2017.

Recruiters have been excited about next year's NAB AFL Draft pool since the under-16 carnival last year, when a mix of talls, midfielders and smaller types shone across both divisions.

NAB AFL Academy coach Brenton Sanderson, who recently led the level one academy squad of 2017 hopefuls on a tour of New Zealand, said clubs were already looking forward to next year's draft.

"This is a really exciting young group, and the water cooler talk at the moment around here is that this is a very strong draft. The 2017 draft looks to be a very strong draft," Sanderson told AFL.com.au's Road to the Draftpodcast.

"I've seen so much great young talent in this group already. This year's draft coming up looks to be full of great midfielders, and the 2017 draft there's some fantastic talls and a good couple of ruckman in there as well.

"I don't want to jump too early, but it (the 2017 crop) looks to be a really strong group."



I'm not joking when I say that I'm pretty sure every single year I've been following the draft has predicted the next year to be a 'superdraft'

 

[ChimpaWompa]

For all the people worried about us trading away our 2018 draft picks, I came across this article today

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2016-05-09/bumper-2017-draft-looms

May 9, 2016 12:42 PM

Clubs may be more reluctant to trade future draft selections this year with a bumper crop of prospects expected to be available in 2017.

Recruiters have been excited about next year's NAB AFL Draft pool since the under-16 carnival last year, when a mix of talls, midfielders and smaller types shone across both divisions.

NAB AFL Academy coach Brenton Sanderson, who recently led the level one academy squad of 2017 hopefuls on a tour of New Zealand, said clubs were already looking forward to next year's draft.

"This is a really exciting young group, and the water cooler talk at the moment around here is that this is a very strong draft. The 2017 draft looks to be a very strong draft," Sanderson told AFL.com.au's Road to the Draftpodcast.

"I've seen so much great young talent in this group already. This year's draft coming up looks to be full of great midfielders, and the 2017 draft there's some fantastic talls and a good couple of ruckman in there as well.

"I don't want to jump too early, but it (the 2017 crop) looks to be a really strong group."



I'm not joking when I say that I'm pretty sure every single year I've been following the draft has predicted the next year to be a 'superdraft'

had to make sure I was reading the dates right because that sounds exactly what we've been hearing this year almost verbatim

 

[peppy la pew]

For all the people worried about us trading away our 2018 draft picks, I came across this article today

http://www.afc.com.au/news/2016-05-09/bumper-2017-draft-looms

May 9, 2016 12:42 PM

Clubs may be more reluctant to trade future draft selections this year with a bumper crop of prospects expected to be available in 2017.

Recruiters have been excited about next year's NAB AFL Draft pool since the under-16 carnival last year, when a mix of talls, midfielders and smaller types shone across both divisions.

NAB AFL Academy coach Brenton Sanderson, who recently led the level one academy squad of 2017 hopefuls on a tour of New Zealand, said clubs were already looking forward to next year's draft.

"This is a really exciting young group, and the water cooler talk at the moment around here is that this is a very strong draft. The 2017 draft looks to be a very strong draft," Sanderson told AFL.com.au's Road to the Draftpodcast.

"I've seen so much great young talent in this group already. This year's draft coming up looks to be full of great midfielders, and the 2017 draft there's some fantastic talls and a good couple of ruckman in there as well.

"I don't want to jump too early, but it (the 2017 crop) looks to be a really strong group."



I'm not joking when I say that I'm pretty sure every single year I've been following the draft has predicted the next year to be a 'superdraft'

That's why I'm not bothered about trading future picks to get into 2018 draft, eventually we will be at a stage where we are settled.

 

[Scham]

One thing we have an opportunity to address with this particular draft is our lack of big bodies in the guts (or more accurately our recent decline in the number of big bodies). So often I see us run out onto the field and think how much physically smaller we look in comparison to our opponents. Now I know that height and weight doesn't a footballer make, but if you have players that are widely rated as top-end talent AND they also happen to be big units (LDU and Fog) available at your picks, it just seems like a very straightforward decision. And if one of them goes before our pick, we take Brayshaw.

This is the strategy I hope we take.

I don't think the problem is size. Fyfe and Mundy are big enough and so are Blakely and Neale. Our issue is pace or breakaway pace from inside to be more precise. If our inside mids don't get first hands to it and then don't get a clear possession outside, we're screwed.

 

[blue shark]

That's why I'm not bothered about trading future picks to get into 2018 draft, eventually we will be at a stage where we are settled.

By next year we should also see some results from our Academy. Sick and tired of other clubs having
a free kick and father son rort.

 

[Joao]

I agree with most of that, i'd prefer a true KPF in Dixon first, Taylor (whom I think is a jet) second, Clavarino I rate too.

Not a big fan of Krueger, admittedly I have only seen him a few times, but he projects as more of a Marco Paperone type rather than a true key forward. Happy to be persuaded otherwise. Anyone over 192cm that we recruit in this draft is a bonus IMO.

Ooh Dixon, forgot about him. Yeah happy with him or Kreuger.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

I don't think the problem is size. Fyfe and Mundy are big enough and so are Blakely and Neale. Our issue is pace or breakaway pace from inside to be more precise. If our inside mids don't get first hands to it and then don't get a clear possession outside, we're screwed.

Yes speed and precision in getting the ball inside and feeding out - Dow Rayner Higgins Ainsworth were the best at that in this years championship.

 

[yyou]

The Australian way.

Like how Swallow is nicknamed Spitter. If there is a chance for an inappropriate nickname, then it is pretty much a certainty.

Nice correlation between poster name & content.
Kudos

 

[malpaso]

I don't think the problem is size. Fyfe and Mundy are big enough and so are Blakely and Neale. Our issue is pace or breakaway pace from inside to be more precise. If our inside mids don't get first hands to it and then don't get a clear possession outside, we're screwed.

Whilst I agree with what your saying, I think a bigger problem is the amount of players we have that 'commit' to the contest. It's too many and that's why there is no one on the 'outside'. I guess getting more outside players will reduce that natural tendency we seem to have to need 4 tacklers on 1 opponent...

 

[Scham]

Whilst I agree with what your saying, I think a bigger problem is the amount of players we have that 'commit' to the contest. It's too many and that's why there is no one on the 'outside'. I guess getting more outside players will reduce that natural tendency we seem to have to need 4 tacklers on 1 opponent...

Separate issue imo. I'm more talking about stoppages and in particular centre clearances. The issue that you point out is just bizarre as its taught to players in junior footy and is practised relentlessly at the Freo training that I've attended. It was also a great strength of ours in 2012 -15 so I'm not sure what went on this year as it was bad.

 

[SHill Shall]

We had a lot of quarters, halves and even games this year where we got absolutely smashed in the clearances - conceding a real run to the opposition. Surprised me a bit as I had been comfortable at the start of the season that Fyfe/Neale/Sandi, with the support of Mundy/Blakely/SHill/Suban, would get the job done. I think there is a weakness there that needs addressing, even though paradoxically the midfield overall remains our relative strength. So LDU/Dow types, and to a lesser extent Rayner/Fogarty, are what's required imo.

I don't really think its about speed - we had the Hills, Weller and Tucker running off the wings.