Strategy Trade and List management (Add your rumour to the simmering stew that is the post season. Edition.)

[Bemoreboyddog]

That's a reasonable assessment of each player but you can end up sub-optimising if you don't look at our whole-of-list needs. One of the biggest needs is clearly to bring in some experience and retain the experience we already have. Otherwise we can end up in permanent leaderless churn at the bottom of the ladder like Melbourne did.

In the scenario you painted we'd lose Roughead, Dahlhaus and Suckling who are three of our only 8 players with 100 games experience. You didn't mention Morris and Picken but you'd have to assume there's an 80% chance at least one will retire and at least a 50% chance that both will. If those five went that's 900 games experience out the door. So we end up way younger AGAIN and hence further adrift.

The only way around that would be to bring in about 6-7 seasoned players but where will we find that many players with an average of at least 100 games experience? And in a supposedly loaded draft year, would that make sense anyway?

I said one of Campbell or Roughead goes. I see Campbell going and it’s my hope that Roughead would then stay but not on a big contract because I just don’t see where he fits at AFL level besides being back up.

I see Suckling staying. The only way he leaves is if he gets serious about having a crack at NFL. It wouldn’t be our choice to let him leave, he’d choose to leave us is how I see it.

The only one, and the one with the most currency who I’d advocate letting leave is Dahl.

I did forget about Picken and Morris. However a small part of me isn’t entirely convinced that neither will play on. Moz started late, had a fair few long term injuries so his body could be fresh in some respects. Picken is contracted for next year, just comes down to medical advice.

If we want experience we can find it. Hayden Schloithe - experienced guy playing WAFL. Think Tim Kelly.

Hell, if Angus Monfries plays like he is for the rest of the year, twist his arm and get him on our list.

Even when we were bad, we cut Daniel across and he went to Melbourne and they loved him. Billy Hartung cut by Hawks and actually been reasonable so far for North.

If we value experience, we can go and find it. We have in the past - Jed Adcock, Brett Goodes, Nick Lower.

 

[Lindsay_Gilbee]

I’d be all about us having a nibble at Angus Brayshaw.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

Would help if we played one of the top 5 midfielders in the league......in the midfield, and not at CHF.

I do wonder whether Bonti will eventually crack it at not being played as a mid. The drink just needs to let him loose again and let the kid win a Brownlow.

I just don’t see him cracking it. I just think he’s too good of a bloke to crack it. Like Dale Morris. He’d go and play ruck if you asked him to.

 

[Golden_6]

We should definitely be targeting mature state league players. It’s an untapped source and a great way of bringing in new untried talent and not having to wait years for them to develop. Guys like Smith and Puopolo slotted straight into Hawthorns team as staples for years.

 

[Bemoreboyddog]

The idea that we will turn over our list with as many as 10 list changes is fanciful.

It happened after 2014. We lost Gia, Cooney, Griffen, Tutt, Jones, Higgins, Williams, Young, Howard, Austin and Goodes.

We brought in Boyd, Hamling, Biggs, Hamilton, Dale, McLean, Cordy, Webb, Daniel, Kelly and Smith.

 

[dogzrule]

In a way, given where the list is at, it’s almost asking do you go down the Giants path or the Suns path. I can see an argument for saying actually keeping the picks and double down on getting more kids (provided you get the picks right!)

We are not in the position of the Suns where they had practically no decent experienced players besides Gary, or GWS, for starters we are a real club with real history

Unless you can snag a Dangerfield or Sloane or Kelly via free agency you inevitably pay overs for quality A grade players and way overs for B grade.

We are better off keeping picks and going for gold in draft as long as the recruiting is right then pick up the odd quality (A or B+ grade FA)

Carlton have the right strategy but they have lost experienced players to FA therefore have stalled.

Melbourne have the right strategy but recruiting has been poor.

Either way you need great recruiting (which we had) and good list management and luck

As a strategy this year we need to be brave and move on average players who clearly after 5 or so years on the list will not make it ie Jong, Honey etc. bring in. FA or 2 for need (big bodied mid and small forward) who have more scope and then if we do get a top 5 pick bring in best mid plus West

We do need to keep solid contributors who will play their role in either redeveloping list or role players for the next finals push ie Roughead or Dahl (lets face it, finals won’t be this year but I hope I’m wrong). If we start losing these types to FA we then become Carlton.

 

[BRWB]

The idea that we will turn over our list with as many as 10 list changes is fanciful.

Haven't done the numbers but I'd imagine how many we turnover depends on who we can pick up. We could easily turnover 10 players if we can find some mature replacements.

Dickson - replaced by Sam Lloyd similar types imo. Lloyd a bit more flexible. Lloyd is out of contract and could in theory go in PSD

Redpath - worrying signs with possible chronic knee. Boyd needs to take his spot as we cant play Red and Boyd in one team anyway imo. Schache, Cordy and trengove to back up.

Clay Smth - as per Red replace witb Puopolo FA - faster, better mark and kick, fitter and a more natural fwd.

Morris - has been injured regularly fornthe last few years. Time to go for his long term health. Irreplaceable but Naughton is a start.

Picken - just retire. Nothing is worth your health. Replace with Atley FA.

There is five.

Honeychurch - not AFL standard

Campbell - as per Honey

Roberts - contracted but gee if bev wont pick him and he seems behind many others why is he on the list? Pay him out or trade him

Webb - see Fletch

Thats nine without considering the likes of other perenially injured players like Collins, Adams etc

The only surprising player on that list for some would be Red.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

realistically, how many years are we away from finals? 2019? 2020? etc
a lot of our players have gone backwards over the last year with hardly any improvements (ex macrae, hunter)

if this trend continues we could be spending a period in the bottom half. however if we can get the majority of team playing well again , along with good recruiting we can bounce back quickly.

 

[Dogs Rule]

realistically, how many years are we away from finals? 2019? 2020? etc
a lot of our players have gone backwards over the last year with hardly any improvements (ex macrae, hunter)

if this trend continues we could be spending a period in the bottom half. however if we can get the majority of team playing well again , along with good recruiting we can bounce back quickly.

Absolutely we can bounce back quickly. The last 12 months would be eating Bevo up on the inside.

The building blocks are there, we just need to fill some gaps (inevitable when you lose so much experience all at once) and recruit smartly (a few kids and the right mature ages) and we'll be contending again.

 

[Wizard17]

The idea that we will turn over our list with as many as 10 list changes is fanciful.

That is about the league average of turnovers and we are going into a good draft year...

 

[Wizard17]

Is there a list somewhere of all the players who are out of contract at the other clubs?

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

Absolutely we can bounce back quickly. The last 12 months would be eating Bevo up on the inside.

The building blocks are there, we just need to fill some gaps (inevitable when you lose so much experience all at once) and recruit smartly (a few kids and the right mature ages) and we'll be contending again.

we have far too many players down on form

itll be a matter of time when they play to their best again

 

[goodcop badcop]

Is there a list somewhere of all the players who are out of contract at the other clubs?

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/out_of_contract_players

 

[Optimistic Dog]

Why the hell would Greene go? Done very well at VFL level and only his second season. Some people are too quick to move on people for nothing.

And if we make that many changes in the offseason we are stuffed. Not enough trades to bring in heaps of kids, or trade currency to make deals for other players. Would have to be a bunch of good mature players available as free agents, even then most would be just gap fills at the back end of their careers

This will be a short and slow rebuild. Should only really be turning over 5-6 a year max, the way its going is people are suggesting we make like 10 changes in the offseason. Way too big a turn over and will likely hurt the team more because you will likely be left picking up scraps at the end of trade period, or scraps of discarded players from other teams to fill the last 3-5 spots we have open if we make that many changes, or filling up with late picks in the draft

Ok, I will give you Fergus Greene. My main point is that we are to tall everyone knows it and the only way we can change the structure is delist when contract ends or trade in contract players. It is difficult to trade the talls you need a club that wants them and the player wants to go. The non talls I suggested Dickson, Picken and Morris would love to keep except for injury and age. Clay because his knees are shot and Honeychurch because of lack skills.


Going into the season I ran in Peter Gordon when waiting for a lift and had a brief chat. I thanked him for 2016 flag. I asked him how we would go in
2018 and he was confident of a good season. I then said to him I think our list was to tall. I could tell from his expression he agreed and he
then said that was why they had to delist Cloke. I said to him I wish we had got Impey rather than Trengrove.

You just have to look at the Tigers very few talls and except for Nankervis all mobile. This is the way winning football is played gun and run and pressure on the ball carrier. It is the way we won the flag. For reasons that astound me we have gone with a tall list and when all fit we will have 8 or 9 them playing
reserves this season. We do not have the midfield depth because our list is clogged up with talls that we cannot play because of team balance. It is why Honeychurch is playing not that I question his endeavor but his skills are terrible. We just to not have the smalls to replace him.

At least for the future we have English, Naughton, Cordy mobile talls and maybe if Schache can come good.

 

[Yojimbo]

I said to him I wish we had got Impey rather than Trengrove.

Did Bevo go to his mum's house in Shepparton, Clarkson did !

 

[Dogsman16]

Not sure the reasoning for most on here to get rid of Campbell. Competent back up ruck and we would have to find another to replace him.

Don’t understand the logic, especially if he is happy to stay for a low wage and play as back up.

Our list doesn’t need as deep a cut as many on here think. Sure we need to thin out our KPD stocks and add experience but calls for ten list cuts are over the top!

 

[TedDougChris]

Not sure the reasoning for most on here to get rid of Campbell. Competent back up ruck and we would have to find another to replace him.

Don’t understand the logic, especially if he is happy to stay for a low wage and play as back up.

Our list doesn’t need as deep a cut as many on here think. Sure we need to thin out our KPD stocks and add experience but calls for ten list cuts are over the top!

It depends on other list changes, but for a start - rank our ruckman from top to bottom.

English (future state)
Boyd (my opinion)
Roughie
Trengove (better as a back than BTC is a forward)
Campbell

Can you see why people are suggesting he needs to go ???

 

[Braybrook Son]

The place needs a complete overhaul. Get rid of Gordon. Keep Beveridge, clean out all his assistants let him pick new ones. Keep Bontempelli, Naughton, Richards, McLean, Macrae, Wood, Cordy, Boyd, all the good kids, piss off the rest. Start again, might be a few years of pain, but build for a couple of flags, no more mediocrity!

 

[Braybrook Son]

Not sure the reasoning for most on here to get rid of Campbell. Competent back up ruck and we would have to find another to replace him.

Don’t understand the logic, especially if he is happy to stay for a low wage and play as back up.

Our list doesn’t need as deep a cut as many on here think. Sure we need to thin out our KPD stocks and add experience but calls for ten list cuts are over the top!

He’s about the 5th choice ruckman. Bevo just won’t play him therefore move him on.

 

[Dogsman16]

It depends on other list changes, but for a start - rank our ruckman from top to bottom.

English (future state)
Boyd (my opinion)
Roughie
Trengove (better as a back than BTC is a forward)
Campbell

Can you see why people are suggesting he needs to go ???

Ok so I agree with you in terms of English and Boyd. Should be the ruck forward duo for the next ten years. So then we look at Trengove who all seeming well really shouldn’t do any rucking if at all with English and Boyd at the helm. If the idea was to bring in Trengove to be a ruckman it’s legitimately backfired in the space of 5 weeks.

That leaves us with two rucks left. Roughead and Campbell, both of whom are AFL experienced and can play the role. I’d keep both (on minimal coin) and have them as rotating backup.

Teams should really have 4 ruck capable players. And IMO trengove shouldn’t be one of them.

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

Absolutely we can bounce back quickly. The last 12 months would be eating Bevo up on the inside.

The building blocks are there, we just need to fill some gaps (inevitable when you lose so much experience all at once) and recruit smartly (a few kids and the right mature ages) and we'll be contending again.

After the disappointment of the Freo game - not playing our game again - it can be hard to be positive but actually I don’t see us as far away at all but a couple of our bets have to come off and we can’t keep the injury list we have and play finals. Richmond and others have shown that keeping a healthy list is essential. Our GF glory was not normal considering injuries but to be fair with the break before the finals most of our Best were available - with Bob the major exception.

Of the guys injured - some will take is forward quickly

1.- Libba - still a star was back in form before the injury. Will be back in 2019 and we are immediately much stronger

2- Picken is absolutely a best few players and hugely valuable - concussion situation look ominous though

3- Trengrove should be back soon - he is very significant as he gives us maturity at either end

4- Crozier - is definitely best 22 and a much higher kicking efficiency from the HBF. He also allows JJ to play wing.

5- Williams is coming along very well as the Marty Boyd Back pocket but I also wonder if he moves into the midfield at some stage as a big bodied mid with a good kick (recruited as a high possession mid - remember 52 possessions)

6- Adams is a walk up start at Fullback but the longer he is injured the stronger Naughton is getting - for now Adams adds a lot but this position looks good going forward. Collins was starting really show something before he was injured and there is a real value if he can come through as a 100kg defender - be nice to not see our defenders rag dolled.

7. Morris is arguably our best player and of course makes us much better. It is not just his individual ability but his management of the Back line - he stands there barking orders and our positioning is way better - not sure who can do this? Should be Wood but in games he is not as bossy. Cordy is the successor and continues to improve - still a fair way behind but is showing growth. Interesting is if Williams does move forward and Cordy and Young keep their current development going - Morris could move to playing smaller?

8- Redpath is important at the moment but he either went into Freo injured or got injured early - he was hobbling and looked terrible. Ultimately we need a CHF who can run and tackle - Schache is our bet here and if this works we have an important missing cog - also a very good kick for goal.

9. Smith is in my best 22 if fit- a goal kicking forward, great tackler, big game player and genuine inside mid. He changes the way the way our forward line works. With Dickson, Picken and Smith in the forward line we are completely different and great a locking the ball in for repeats - they also all have good scoring efficiency- wouldn’t that be nice. We can still get the ball in but without these guys can get it through the big ones. Lipinski, Honey and Jong last week are a long way off this. Billy G has been a surprise and may be something but still is too low in production.

10 - Dickson was injured early against Freo and is now 4+ weeks away. His movement, accuracy and tackling are essential. He still has a couple of years but really only have Fergus coming through - he also has smarts and may (like Dickson) may take a bit longer to be a viable replacement. We are certainly light in natural smaller forwards. Bonti solves this in part but is playing as a genuine KPF and we lose a lot out of the middle. Honey tries but can’t kick under pressure and has no goal sense. Disappointed we didn’t get Long.

Get 8 out of these ten (we will always have some injuries) and we play finals NOW and are in the mix - this is not blind faith but pure moneyball analysis - they are simply better producers than the kids holding their spots now.

Hunter is suspended but is a star and sorely missed.

Other improvements that add to us now and make us formidable with the returns above.

- Naughton and English have been rays of light.

- Ed Richards looks a star - and is tough, fast and skilled

- Toby is quickly moving up the ratings - could be anything

- Bailey Dale has had a little dip but that follows a year of major improvement - he has Speed and skill and will only get better

- Cordy just seems to rise to the challenge - he is a slow burn like his Master Morris but each year he gets stronger and more Confident.

- Daniel has also slowly progressed - has quietly put on significant muscle tone to improve his inside work - this
May have effected his production but with his incredible endurance in the end will be a much better player for it

- Young will be hard to keep out if he keeps improving the way he has - great mark and a smart player who has benefited from increased muscle. 5 kegs more and we have our Barrass/McGovern combo of Young/Naughton

- Macrae has emerged as the elite player most of us thought he would be. With Bonti moving forward he has taken the top job in the middle and has improved - if we can release Bonti and/or Dunks back into the midfield then our midfield is finals quality: Bont, Macrae, Libba (Smith-rotating), McLean, Dunkley (Jong-rotation), Dalhaus (Daniel-rotation) - Hunter, JJ and Dale on wings. Lipinski, Webb and Porter are coming through and each have shown some signs.

Roughy and Campbell are now coming back but not sure they walk in to the side. Would seem at the moment that English and Boyd are the preferred two at the moment. But I reckon we will rotate English for Roughy and Boyd for Campbell to keep the development of English and Boyd and have a strong tree brigade. English is clearly a future star if he stays fit. Roughy is not a star - doesn’t get enough taps, marks or goals) but we just seem to play better with him in the team - not sure specifically why.

I am still very confident on Boyd getting much much better - he could easily have had 3 but don’t understand how his kicking has dropped off so much since he was a great kick as a U18. Can only be fitness and confidence and the first can drive the second. Also needs
Some mongrel - he gets annoyed when his arms are held down and his is blocked but umpires can determine success - he needs to engage is defender and throw him around - push in the side - hip check hard - crash back with the flight. He is also still carrying puppy fit and has endurance but no ability to repeat burst. (needs to watch Stefan Martin to see the benchmark). Otherwise the Ruck work can bring a bad habit of being a tractor with little ability to really crash contests (aka the lumbering Ruck). He has lots of other good attributes and these can all be addressed.

So all the above are my submissions Your Honours for why we should not panic and will be back in the mix soon.

 

[BRWB]

After the disappointment of the Freo game - not playing our game again - it can be hard to be positive but actually I don’t see us as far away at all but a couple of our bets have to come off and we can’t keep the injury list we have and play finals. Richmond and others have shown that keeping a healthy list is essential. Our GF glory was not normal considering injuries but to be fair with the break before the finals most of our Best were available - with Bob the major exception.

Of the guys injured - some will take is forward quickly

1.- Libba - still a star was back in form before the injury. Will be back in 2019 and we are immediately much stronger

2- Picken is absolutely a best few players and hugely valuable - concussion situation look ominous though

3- Trengrove should be back soon - he is very significant as he gives us maturity at either end

4- Crozier - is definitely best 22 and a much higher kicking efficiency from the HBF. He also allows JJ to play wing.

5- Williams is coming along very well as the Marty Boyd Back pocket but I also wonder if he moves into the midfield at some stage as a big bodied mid with a good kick (recruited as a high possession mid - remember 52 possessions)

6- Adams is a walk up start at Fullback but the longer he is injured the stronger Naughton is getting - for now Adams adds a lot but this position looks good going forward. Collins was starting really show something before he was injured and there is a real value if he can come through as a 100kg defender - be nice to not see our defenders rag dolled.

7. Morris is arguably our best player and of course makes us much better. It is not just his individual ability but his management of the Back line - he stands there barking orders and our positioning is way better - not sure who can do this? Should be Wood but in games he is not as bossy. Cordy is the successor and continues to improve - still a fair way behind but is showing growth. Interesting is if Williams does move forward and Cordy and Young keep their current development going - Morris could move to playing smaller?

8- Redpath is important at the moment but he either went into Freo injured or got injured early - he was hobbling and looked terrible. Ultimately we need a CHF who can run and tackle - Schache is our bet here and if this works we have an important missing cog - also a very good kick for goal.

9. Smith is in my best 22 if fit- a goal kicking forward, great tackler, big game player and genuine inside mid. He changes the way the way our forward line works. With Dickson, Picken and Smith in the forward line we are completely different and great a locking the ball in for repeats - they also all have good scoring efficiency- wouldn’t that be nice. We can still get the ball in but without these guys can get it through the big ones. Lipinski, Honey and Jong last week are a long way off this. Billy G has been a surprise and may be something but still is too low in production.

10 - Dickson was injured early against Freo and is now 4+ weeks away. His movement, accuracy and tackling are essential. He still has a couple of years but really only have Fergus coming through - he also has smarts and may (like Dickson) may take a bit longer to be a viable replacement. We are certainly light in natural smaller forwards. Bonti solves this in part but is playing as a genuine KPF and we lose a lot out of the middle. Honey tries but can’t kick under pressure and has no goal sense. Disappointed we didn’t get Long.

Get 8 out of these ten (we will always have some injuries) and we play finals NOW and are in the mix - this is not blind faith but pure moneyball analysis - they are simply better producers than the kids holding their spots now.

Hunter is suspended but is a star and sorely missed.

Other improvements that add to us now and make us formidable with the returns above.

- Naughton and English have been rays of light.

- Ed Richards looks a star - and is tough, fast and skilled

- Toby is quickly moving up the ratings - could be anything

- Bailey Dale has had a little dip but that follows a year of major improvement - he has Speed and skill and will only get better

- Cordy just seems to rise to the challenge - he is a slow burn like his Master Morris but each year he gets stronger and more Confident.

- Daniel has also slowly progressed - has quietly put on significant muscle tone to improve his inside work - this
May have effected his production but with his incredible endurance in the end will be a much better player for it

- Young will be hard to keep out if he keeps improving the way he has - great mark and a smart player who has benefited from increased muscle. 5 kegs more and we have our Barrass/McGovern combo of Young/Naughton

- Macrae has emerged as the elite player most of us thought he would be. With Bonti moving forward he has taken the top job in the middle and has improved - if we can release Bonti and/or Dunks back into the midfield then our midfield is finals quality: Bont, Macrae, Libba (Smith-rotating), McLean, Dunkley (Jong-rotation), Dalhaus (Daniel-rotation) - Hunter, JJ and Dale on wings. Lipinski, Webb and Porter are coming through and each have shown some signs.

Roughy and Campbell are now coming back but not sure they walk in to the side. Would seem at the moment that English and Boyd are the preferred two at the moment. But I reckon we will rotate English for Roughy and Boyd for Campbell to keep the development of English and Boyd and have a strong tree brigade. English is clearly a future star if he stays fit. Roughy is not a star - doesn’t get enough taps, marks or goals) but we just seem to play better with him in the team - not sure specifically why.

I am still very confident on Boyd getting much much better - he could easily have had 3 but don’t understand how his kicking has dropped off so much since he was a great kick as a U18. Can only be fitness and confidence and the first can drive the second. Also needs
Some mongrel - he gets annoyed when his arms are held down and his is blocked but umpires can determine success - he needs to engage is defender and throw him around - push in the side - hip check hard - crash back with the flight. He is also still carrying puppy fit and has endurance but no ability to repeat burst. (needs to watch Stefan Martin to see the benchmark). Otherwise the Ruck work can bring a bad habit of being a tractor with little ability to really crash contests (aka the lumbering Ruck). He has lots of other good attributes and these can all be addressed.

So all the above are my submissions Your Honours for why we should not panic and will be back in the mix soon.

I tend to think you are ignoring seemingly chronically injured and aged players. The last few years show that a number of players you appear to be counting on just don't play regularly.

 

[TedDougChris]

Ok so I agree with you in terms of English and Boyd. Should be the ruck forward duo for the next ten years. So then we look at Trengove who all seeming well really shouldn’t do any rucking if at all with English and Boyd at the helm. If the idea was to bring in Trengove to be a ruckman it’s legitimately backfired in the space of 5 weeks.

That leaves us with two rucks left. Roughead and Campbell, both of whom are AFL experienced and can play the role. I’d keep both (on minimal coin) and have them as rotating backup.

Teams should really have 4 ruck capable players. And IMO trengove shouldn’t be one of them.

If you look at the way the modern game appears to be heading, movement and flexibility are keys.

And on pure ruck skills, I agree that Campbell is easily ahead of Trengove.

But the latter is far ahead of Campbell in terms of his ability to play elsewhere around the ground.

So if we are playing a strategy where we have one big man, who can rotate in other spots - then a couple of part time reliefs - then Campbell doesn't fit that structure at all.

Trengove for 4 years already appears questionable. But he could play KPD for a couple with occasional stints in the ruck. Makes more sense than BTC unfortunately....

 

[NthBondiDoggies]

I tend to think you are ignoring seemingly chronically injured and aged players. The last few years show that a number of players you appear to be counting on just don't play regularly.

Can’t argue with the logic. I presume you are mostly talking about: Adams, Smith and maybe Libba and Dickson and more recently Morris.

For these our backup is Ok - not perfect but not a train wreck more a breakdown.

Adams - Naughton (eventually) and Collins (not there yet). Trengrove also rolls back and as soon as fit - he is generally extremely resilient - we get big boy coverage there.

Smith - we don’t really have another hard nut who can play forward. Dalhaus is the closest (more courage than hardness) but has been pulled to midfield

Libba - will be back and should be ok. But Wally is nearly as good if he can keep playing we will see him become who we all saw early on. Probably the best coverage of all of these. McLean is coming through but not at the contested ball level yet - need to turn him into Selwood.

Dickson - Dale currently is going ok and Billy Gowers has the tackling aspect and lead up marking but behind them only really Fergus and maybe Lippy.

Morris - Cordy is the apprentice and is coming along well but still a big gap particularly in strength. Really his closest replacement is Adams but also injured. Wood is used to cover some players but as good as he is - he is just not big enough and we also then lose his intercept marking.

 

[Dogsman16]

If you look at the way the modern game appears to be heading, movement and flexibility are keys.

And on pure ruck skills, I agree that Campbell is easily ahead of Trengove.

But the latter is far ahead of Campbell in terms of his ability to play elsewhere around the ground.

So if we are playing a strategy where we have one big man, who can rotate in other spots - then a couple of part time reliefs - then Campbell doesn't fit that structure at all.

Trengove for 4 years already appears questionable. But he could play KPD for a couple with occasional stints in the ruck. Makes more sense than BTC unfortunately....

I’m suggesting we keep both though. Let’s hope that Trengove locks down a key defensive post, then we would only have one backup ruck in Roughead. People keep suggesting we have too tall a list and I agree with that, but it’s not because our ruck or KPF stocks are overloaded but rather our defensive end, especially considering we have often selected a smaller more mobile defense in the past. A couple of key defenders need to be traded/delisted and Moz probably retires. I’d also consider moving Adams or Young in the forward line.

FWIW I thought the Trengove acquisition was the wrong move at the time and still do but in the clubs defense I’m not sure we were counting on Schache and Naughton falling into our laps. I’d like to give Collins one more season and instead look to move on Roberts and Moz retires.

So in terms of talls I would.

English - keep (future star)
Boyd - keep (hopefully can string together a good season)
Redpath - keep (in contract and a big reason why our forward line has looked better in our 2 good games we played)
Roughead - keep (depth)
Campbell - keep (depth)
Roberts - trade/delist
Moz - retire
Young - keep (him or Adams move forward)
Adams - keep (see above)
Naughton - future star keep
Cordy - keep
Collins - retain for one more year
Trengove - keep
NHM - delist