Recruiting Trade & Free Agency V

[DapperDon]

We currently hold picks; 4, 28, 58, 75, 75, 94, 112

Didn't we trade our second?

Not too keen on getting the mid we need at 58

 

[Old Stuckup]

Didn't we trade our second?

Not too keen on getting the mid we need at 58

We have the Giants’ second.

 

[eDPS]

A deal id consider

Pick 4 to GWS

Pick 10(Currently) and Will Setterfield to us

We may need to add a little sweetener but considering the tall talent available we may be able to just do that swap.

We get a a young up and coming gun tall inside midfielder who is in the Josh Kennedy/Jobe Watson mould who played his junior football with Andy McGrath and pick 10ish which could land us a Bytel/Smith or any other inside midfielder we may go a little bit earlier on just to fix that issue.

 

[Dons4days]

A deal id consider

Pick 4 to GWS

Pick 10(Currently) and Will Setterfield to us

We may need to add a little sweetener but considering the tall talent available we may be able to just do that swap.

We get a a young up and coming gun tall inside midfielder who is in the Josh Kennedy/Jobe Watson mould who played his junior football with Andy McGrath and pick 10ish which could land us a Bytel/Smith or any other inside midfielder we may go a little bit earlier on just to fix that issue.

I'd do that in a heartbeat. No doubt with Setterfield coming off an ACL (?) it would lower his value quite a bit. Maybe we throw Colyer in as the sweetener.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Isn’t Setterfield a skinny tall mid?

 

[Dons4days]

Isn’t Setterfield a skinny tall mid?

Let's just assume he's been smashing the weights training while hes been off his feet.....

 

[eDPS]

Isn’t Setterfield a skinny tall mid?

190cm, 87kg and since he is done for the year he will be puting some muscle on. He is an inside mid who can dominate at stoppages and even go forward and kick a goal. If he wasn’t tied to GWS at the draft I feel we would have taken him ahead of McGrath, also a bombers supporter

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Let's just assume he's been smashing the weights training while hes been off his feet.....

If we are to trade for a mid i want him to be in the mould of Wines,Powell Pepper etc

Big and strong with legs like tree trunks one that can lay a bone crunching tackle

 

[Old Stuckup]

We probably need two more quality inside mids if Clarke or Langford are able to cement a position in the side. Maybe one or two more as depth.

 

[Yoda_]

We really need to focus on a list rebuild IMO. Problem is we have too many players with little to no trade value, this stems from holding onto the wrong players for too long, overrating and overvaluing them until we eventually bite the bullet and trade them for peanuts or delist them a few years too late. We need to start being a forward thinking club and actually planning ahead rather than simply waiting for something to blow up and then hastily trying to patch it.

If we wanted to try and get 4 or 5 picks inside the top thirty this year, what would that take?

(IMO the only players that are "off the table" are: Zerrett, McGrath, Daniher, Fantasia, Parish and Begley)

Hypothetical?

Would you trade Hurley if it garnered us a top 10 pick? (remembering that Goddard will very likely retire at years end)

 

[BrunoV]

A deal id consider

Pick 4 to GWS

Pick 10(Currently) and Will Setterfield to us

We may need to add a little sweetener but considering the tall talent available we may be able to just do that swap.

We get a a young up and coming gun tall inside midfielder who is in the Josh Kennedy/Jobe Watson mould who played his junior football with Andy McGrath and pick 10ish which could land us a Bytel/Smith or any other inside midfielder we may go a little bit earlier on just to fix that issue.

If we have a top 5 pick and the 'best available' doesn't materialise into a midfielder of amazing quality, we have to do everything possible for a deal like this. I'd probably do it anyway.

I don't accept, at all, that we take the best available if he's a key position player. It's far from evident that you need anything more than good, hard working key forwards to be a great side. We've already got one of the best players in the league for the next 8 or so years backed up by Stewart who is a great foil and someone to compliment Daniher. We'll have to just risk the possibility that our next forward-line does not have a 'once in a generation' talent.

I might rethink if the AFL brought in the forward zone at the end of the year, though I doubt it.

We've got stacks of tall and mid-sized options on the list. Whether we start developing a young tall forward this year or next really makes no difference. There's also nothing stopping us from starting with the next key forward project who we take later in the draft.

The priority has to be adding hard running, ball winning midfielders of high quality to the list.

 

[Corleone]

Hypothetical?

Would you trade Hurley if it garnered us a top 10 pick? (remembering that Goddard will very likely retire at years end)

Yes I would (although it would break my heart).

Lets look at it; he's about to turn 28, and one of the few players we have who could generate some serious value and interest on the trade table. I guess you have to ask if you think Hartley is up to it and how many more years we will get out of Hooker.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Don’t understand people wanting to trade Hurley.

Remember during saga my self including we were praying and hoping for months that Hurley will stay and when he did we were wrapt now people want to trade him.

Imagine how Hurley will feel after doing everything to get him commit only for a few years later to say “we are going to trade you”

 

[Corleone]

Don’t understand people wanting to trade Hurley.

Remember during saga my self including we were praying and hoping for months that Hurley will stay and when he did we were wrapt now people want to trade him.

Imagine how Hurley will feel after doing everything to get him commit only for a few years later to say “we are going to trade you”

It's not a question of want.

The entire football world has moved into treating everything as a commodity (players, coaches, fitness staff, IP, training regimes, training bases, fan bases, being a "destination club", breaking record memberships, getting into eSports and BBall and out of gaming revenue), we have clubs that literally sell home games and advantages on field for financial reasons. We live in an age where history, heritage, loyalty, courage and honour mean nothing; they are just buzz words used to either motivate player X to do action Y or to get X amount of fans to buy product Z.

It's all just white noise mate.

What I want is on field success. The sad truth is nothing and no one is untradable. There isn't a single player past or present who I wouldn't trade for a Premiership and if you're honest with yourself you'll realise that's a cold truth that we all share.

 

[DapperDon]

Don’t understand people wanting to trade Hurley.
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Because on Big Footy young is better and will win all the premierships, so trading your best defender will mean we'll most certainly get a gun at pick ****ing 10 and all the flags will be ours!!!!

 

[quotemokc]

No player is bigger than the club.

 

[DapperDon]

It's not a question of want.

The entire football world has moved into treating everything as a commodity (players, coaches, fitness staff, IP, training regimes, training bases, fan bases, being a "destination club", breaking record memberships, getting into eSports and BBall and out of gaming revenue), we have clubs that literally sell home games and advantages on field for financial reasons. We live in an age where history, heritage, loyalty, courage and honour mean nothing; they are just buzz words used to either motivate player X to do action Y or to get X amount of fans to buy product Z.

It's all just white noise mate.

What I want is on field success. The sad truth is nothing and no one is untradable. There isn't a single player past or present who I wouldn't trade for a Premiership and if you're honest with yourself you'll realise that's a cold truth that we all share.

Trading a dual All Australian defender for let's say Jarrod Picket would do us wonders

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

It's not a question of want.

The entire football world has moved into treating everything as a commodity (players, coaches, fitness staff, IP, training regimes, training bases, fan bases, being a "destination club", breaking record memberships, getting into eSports and BBall and out of gaming revenue), we have clubs that literally sell home games and advantages on field for financial reasons. We live in an age where history, heritage, loyalty, courage and honour mean nothing; they are just buzz words used to either motivate player X to do action Y or to get X amount of fans to buy product Z.

It's all just white noise mate.

What I want is on field success. The sad truth is nothing and no one is untradable. There isn't a single player past or present who I wouldn't trade for a Premiership and if you're honest with yourself you'll realise that's a cold truth that we all share.

Draft picks aren’t guaranted what if trade Hurley for pick 10 and pick 10 is a bust then what?

 

[Corleone]

Trading a dual All Australian defender for let's say Jarrod Picket would do us wonders

Interesting choice of player for your example. Pickett was pick 4 in the 2014 draft correct? Hasn't panned out, not all kids do ... however hindsight is as malleable as it is clear.

Jordan De Goey - Pick 5 - same draft as Pickett
Marcus Bontempelli - Same pick number in the previous draft
Patrick Cripps - Pick 13 previous draft
Clayton Oliver - Same pick the year later
Charlie Curnow - Pick 12 the year later

Now; I wouldn't trade Hurley for Jarrod Pickett... But would YOU trade Hurley for any of those above 5 players?

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Interesting choice of player for your example. Pickett was pick 4 in the 2014 draft correct? Hasn't panned out, not all kids do ... however hindsight is as malleable as it is clear.

Jordan De Goey - Pick 5 - same draft as Pickett
Marcus Bontempelli - Same pick number in the previous draft
Patrick Cripps - Pick 13 previous draft
Clayton Oliver - Same pick the year later
Charlie Curnow - Pick 12 the year later

Now; I wouldn't trade Hurley for Jarrod Pickett... But would YOU trade Hurley for any of those above 5 players?

For one of those players yes not for a draft pick though

 

[Corleone]

Draft picks aren’t guaranted what if trade Hurley for pick 10 and pick 10 is a bust then what?

If you're after certainties in life mate you're following the wrong sport ... the ball doesn't bounce straight ...

 

[Corleone]

For one of those players yes not for a draft pick though

So you agree that you'd trade him then? Thanks for making my point for me.

 

[mike14]

Because on Big Footy young is better and will win all the premierships, so trading your best defender will mean we'll most certainly get a gun at pick ******* 10 and all the flags will be ours!!!!

I mean, hyperbole is cool but it doesn't really help with the conversation.
I don't think that nayone honestly believes getting pick 10, or fielding a team full of kids will lead to instant success.
But in relation to Hurley, age starts to become a factor. If the club honestly (and I mean honestly) believes they are a premiership threat in the next 3 years, then you keep him - no questions asked. If that's not the case (and it looks like they've stuffed up just where our list is) then you start asking questions about whether he'll be around and effective for our next tilt at a flag. If the answer is 'probably not' then we are failing as a club if there is a decent offer out there for him and we don't do our damnedest to make it happen.

 

[foj1]

A deal id consider

Pick 4 to GWS

Pick 10(Currently) and Will Setterfield to us

We may need to add a little sweetener but considering the tall talent available we may be able to just do that swap.

We get a a young up and coming gun tall inside midfielder who is in the Josh Kennedy/Jobe Watson mould who played his junior football with Andy McGrath and pick 10ish which could land us a Bytel/Smith or any other inside midfielder we may go a little bit earlier on just to fix that issue.

I would take that in a heartbeat but the giants do not have the same stockpile of talent they once did. I don't reckon they would do that at all.
Pick 4 and 28 for Will Setterfield, Pick 10 and pick 46 would probably be closer. I think Caldwell would have to be in the mix with the other two blokes.
Great suggestion.

How about Michael Hurley to Collingwood for first round pick?
The club has approximately 1.6 million invested in two key position defenders. Too much.
This would get us a midfielder or a young tall- Ben King and free up significant salary cap for a rory sloane or ollie wines.

 

[BrunoV]

No player is bigger than the club.

Go and stand near Sam Draper. **** me, he may well be too big for the club by the time he fills out.