Opinion Player list management and game plan 2019

[Harlott]

From "Francis is a dead set jet." to "I think he can play football"....

 

[Tim Evans Beard]

It’s just my opinion - I don’t think he has shown enough consistently at the highest level to convince everyone, but I’m convinced.
Apologies if it wasn’t quite clear.

 

[RossFC]

Reckon after GC got bent over by Freo in the Weller trade they'll be playing hard ball and will want something pretty heavy for Hall, regardless of the fact that he's in and out of their best 22. Agree with most - he's cherry on top type player, could be hugely damaging on the wing but will undoubtedly have games as worst on ground due to lack of defensive efforts. Probably not worth giving up any real net value, i.e. trading out Amon for Hall somehow would be fine, but investing further picks etc. I wouldn't be on board with.

Francis has severe question marks over his ability to cope at AFL level and he's surplus to needs to I'd be surprised if we had a crack at him. Still think last year it was between him and Mackenzie, so unless we delist the latter (not sure if he's on a 2 year contract?) I doubt he'd be coming to Port.

I think we are wasting our time with McKenzie. He's a very good kick/intercept marker at SANFL level but got destroyed being a 3rd tall defender at AFL level.

Either turn him into a flanker or delist. I've also got the same feeling about Lienert too.

(For the record I'd delist Toumpas and Hewett, make Lienert a 3rd tall defender at worst, never a 1st or 2nd tall, and move McKenzie to half back then draft/trade in 1 or 2 young KPDs for long term development)

 

[Zakk Wylde]

Correct. I'd do the whole "It's Happening" thing, but I have to try hard just to look up from the keys as I type, let alone do those GIF things. It would have happened last year, but Bombers refused to even consider the deal. He want to come back to SA and we are a destination of choice.

 

[Forzaport]

Not excited by either player. Happy to have them at the club but only if it’s via a Toumpas-tier trade or psd/rookie draft.

Rather we use our picks to trade up to better picks and draft best available talent.

 

[Andre]

That's why I reckon he needs to go back home and play footy in the country for a season.

He was a high draft pick, Essendon will want plenty for him and that would keep up the pressure on him to deliver, wherever he goes, when he might not be in the head space to do so.

Look at our recently brought in high draft picks with issues - Toumpas, Trengove, Watts. Our fans have been very good at not putting unrealistic expectations on players brought in. If Francis came here, it'd be a Watts situation, in so much as not having the fans / club expecting the world of him. Of course all predicated on Essendon finding a soul at the bottom of the cupboard and acting like human beings during trade week

 

[Andre]

The more interesting arguments are on who to trade out always though. Other than Amon on the table (if we get Hall), whose on the chopping block? Broadbent's value has tanked after his injuries, to be another 'should have traded when had some value'. One I'd put on the block, that may have some value (late second maybe?) is Sam Gray. I'd say Neade, but realistically we'd be lucky to get a 5th. I think AJ has all the tools to play Sam's role. Especially given shortly we should be running with Dixon, Watts and Marshall, so that 'sub-180cm main KPF' role he's often playing, that we all love so much should go.

 

[Adz2332]

Id have Pittard on the table. Package up a few picks to go high in this draft
Bonner, DBJ, Houston, Clurey all at his level or past him now. Plus Hartlett when hes back and broadbent in a distant back up role

 

[Needs Gravy]

After this years draft the comments from the club about Hayes indicated we had not intended to draft a ruckman but he was to good to pass up.

With players at other clubs being worked on for a few years before a trade is initiated I wonder if we had been working on a ruckman to take over from Paddy in 2020 either via free agency or trade.

 

[Forzaport]

Look at our recently brought in high draft picks with issues - Toumpas, Trengove, Watts. Our fans have been very good at not putting unrealistic expectations on players brought in. If Francis came here, it'd be a Watts situation, in so much as not having the fans / club expecting the world of him. Of course all predicated on Essendon finding a soul at the bottom of the cupboard and acting like human beings during trade week

Not quite. Watts was very much a known quantity and reality has since matched expectations. Francis is still an unknown quantity with 3 years in the AFL system. Any trade is going to be based on potential rather than known output, if we spend high, there will be high expectation. With that in mind a second or third rounder may be better spent on an 18 year old who will likely have a higher potential and just as much chance of being a bust as Francis.

 

[It Just Is]

If you think Gold Coast got bent over on the Weller trade. Take a look at their pick swap with West Coast:

WCE traded 2018 first round pick (18) + pick 50
GC traded 2018 second round pick (22) + pick 21, 26 & 37

Any other club and half the footy department would be sacked over a trade like that.

 

[snozulu]

Aaron Francis a real possibility.

What's his ideal position. 3rd tall defender or could he hold down a key post? I haven't seen anything of this kid skills wise either. Has anyone seen him play VFL?

 

[Zakk Wylde]

What's his ideal position. 3rd tall defender or could he hold down a key post? I haven't seen anything of this kid skills wise either. Has anyone seen him play VFL?

He's not a key position player, but he's versatile.

Touch of class that's for sure.

 

[Schulzenfest]

With that in mind a second or third rounder may be better spent on an 18 year old who will likely have a higher potential and just as much chance of being a bust as Francis.

We might get a player with less chance of being a bust than Francis with a third rounder, but we damn sure won’t be getting anyone with more potential.

 

[Forzaport]

We might get a player with less chance of being a bust than Francis with a third rounder, but we damn sure won’t be getting anyone with more potential.

What would you offer?

 

[jakey]

The more interesting arguments are on who to trade out always though. Other than Amon on the table (if we get Hall), whose on the chopping block? Broadbent's value has tanked after his injuries, to be another 'should have traded when had some value'. One I'd put on the block, that may have some value (late second maybe?) is Sam Gray. I'd say Neade, but realistically we'd be lucky to get a 5th. I think AJ has all the tools to play Sam's role. Especially given shortly we should be running with Dixon, Watts and Marshall, so that 'sub-180cm main KPF' role he's often playing, that we all love so much should go.

Sam's a way smarter player than AJ in my opinion. He's worth more than a mid second rounder to us on current form (is leading our goalkicking for the year and I can't be bothered looking up assists, but checkout who dished dishes to Mots in the showdown for an e.g.).

 

[strath39]

Scott Lycett. I know not everyone agrees but whatever. Free agent. Proven he can play as a ruck in tandem. Ryder is reasonably old and broken. Frampton hasnt had a game in 4 years despite the need for a ruck. Ladhams has a bung knee. Hayes is very young. Both Ryder and Hayes have the forward game to play in tandem with another ruck. Lycett is the bridge and hes a solid agressive bridge.

Would he really want to leave to be Backup?

 

[NoddyHolder]

Would he really want to leave to be Backup?

More likely to go to the crows to be first banana. Jacobs looks almost done

 

[simmo_bc]

Aaron Francis is genuine swing I believe. All hypothetical of course but as a forward for Power rather than defense. I agree our back 6 are as good as you need for mine. We have more midfield depth than anyone. Maybe one more quality outside player and a forward that is getable.

Aaron Francis has shown himself to have well above average ability. There's plenty of upside at afl level.

Crikey what a goal!

Ah whatever makes the young man happy, I hope it works out for him.

 

[GreyPower]

I have no inside information, but I reckon Lycett will end up at the Crows.

 

[mic59]

Id have Pittard on the table. Package up a few picks to go high in this draft
Bonner, DBJ, Houston, Clurey all at his level or past him now. Plus Hartlett when hes back and broadbent in a distant back up role

Agree, what we should be looking at here is what currency players have. Sometimes, in fact quite often, trade value is based on what others see in someone and Pittard would at the moment have more trade value than any of our defenders. That type of intercept and line-breaking defender is one who has more currency and if Hartlett and Broadbent recover Pittard could find himself one of three reserve defenders.
North Melbourne are one who have expressed interest in Pittard in the past.

 

[JUSTWORK]

If what’s being said about Francis, I’d be very keen, should be able to get him quite cheap.

Back home with family and friends, new club Renoir for culture. Could absolutely reinvent himself as a footballer and realise his potential.

 

[OneGreatClub]

That's why I reckon he needs to go back home and play footy in the country for a season.

He was a high draft pick, Essendon will want plenty for him and that would keep up the pressure on him to deliver, wherever he goes, when he might not be in the head space to do so.

He can do what that young fella did who is now at Freo.

If what’s being said about Francis, I’d be very keen, should be able to get him quite cheap.

Back home with family and friends, new club Renoir for culture. Could absolutely reinvent himself as a footballer and realise his potential.

I would absolutely not want us to lose any decent picks in this draft.

 

[The Rubber Man]

Id hope we dont lose any of our 1st 5 picks. Free agents or high draft pick trades only please.

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[1954]

I think we are wasting our time with McKenzie. He's a very good kick/intercept marker at SANFL level but got destroyed being a 3rd tall defender at AFL level.

Either turn him into a flanker or delist. I've also got the same feeling about Lienert too.

(For the record I'd delist Toumpas and Hewett, make Lienert a 3rd tall defender at worst, never a 1st or 2nd tall, and move McKenzie to half back then draft/trade in 1 or 2 young KPDs for long term development)

No argument from me re Mckenzie, ie he is nowhere near big enough to get the job done as a 3rd tall at AFL level, and his kick aside my opinion is there is still something missing re him taking on a smaller player/distributor type role in the AFL as well.

Not sure about Lienert either, he is another in be tweener size wise, and I would love to be as sure of winning x-lotto as I am that he didn't go anywhere near as hard at the contest as he could have on at least two occasions in a game that I attended at Alberton last season, and assuming my eyes weren't deceiving me a trait like that usually gets exposed big time at the highest level.

The Toump is obviously goneski, and even though he has at times shown some X factor, Hewett is another who is unlikely to survive the end of season cut.