2018 Rolling All Australian Team

[SickQwon]

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Well, now that you've had time to think about it, what key metrics do you think would tell us about the influence of a ruckman?

I've read enough about Naitanui's influence over the years to have a few in mind. But I want to know if you can imagine any. Or is that beyond you?

That's right.

Yet you are the one suggesting we might look at I50s to assess the influence of a ruckman. That is just a dumb thing to suggest. And that is obvious to anyone who has considered the question for five seconds.

You don't have any. None.

The only one you've mentioned, Engimal v3 has confirmed Grundy is (slightly) superior in too, to go with all the other stats I have referred to that he is superior in.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

You don't have any. None.

Is this your best attempt?

The only one you've mentioned, Engimal v3 has confirmed Grundy is (slightly) superior in too, to go with all the other stats I have referred to that he is superior in.

You think the average number of hitouts to advantage is the only other metric?

All you are demonstrating here is that you have simply never considered the different ways we might measure the influence of a ruckman.

The fact you are demanding I spoonfeed these metrics to you, while apparently unable to conceive of any on your own, suggests you have a spectacularly superficial handle on this material.

Is this the first time you have had a discussion about measuring a ruckman's influence? I suspect it is.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Is this your best attempt?

You think the average number of hitouts to advantage is the only other metric?

All you are demonstrating here is that you have simply never considered the different ways we might measure the influence of a ruckman.

The fact you are demanding I spoonfeed these metrics to you, while apparently unable to conceive of any on your own, suggests you have a spectacularly superficial handle on this material.

Is this the first time you have had a discussion about measuring a ruckman's influence? I suspect it is.

More deflecting. I have said the stats I think are relevant.

What are the metrics?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

More deflecting.

I'm not deflecting. I am merely establishing that you are completely unable to come up with any on your own. That suggests to me that you have simply never considered the question of how to measure the influence of a ruckman.

I have said the stats I think are relevant.

And that included I50s. So that gives us some indication of where you're at.

What are the metrics?

Are you saying you have literally no idea about other metrics that might measure a ruckman's influence?

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

I'm not deflecting. I am merely establishing that you are completely unable to come up with any on your own. That suggests to me that you have simply never considered the question of how to measure the influence of a ruckman.

And that included I50s. So that gives us some indication of where you're at.

Are you saying you have literally no idea about other metrics that might measure a ruckman's influence?

What are the metrics?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

What are the metrics?

Do you concede that you have never previously considered how we might measure the influence of a ruckman and that's why you have literally no idea about what these more telling metrics might be?

That's why you pointed to I50s, for example.

 

[Damon_3388]

How about we start with a basic 'Five Factors of Ruckwork':

- Hitouts to Advantage
- Clearances
- Inside 50s
- Tackles
- 1%ers

A good balance of attacking and defensive measures in the role.

To save everyone the trouble, and further lengthy arguments over semantics with Sweet Jesus, Gawn and Grundy still end up tops overall, but Naitanui wins on a per minute basis.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Do you concede that you have never previously considered how we might measure the influence of a ruckman and that's why you have literally no idea about what these more telling metrics might be?

What are the metrics?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

What are the metrics?

Thank you for demonstrating to everyone else reading that this is indeed your first rodeo. You have simply never considered this question before, and that's why you have NFI about how to measure the influence of a ruckman. It couldn't be more clear. Tell me again who has the most I50s.

How about we start with a basic 'Five Factors of Ruckwork':

- Hitouts to Advantage
- Clearances
- Inside 50s
- Tackles
- 1%ers

A good balance of attacking and defensive measures in the role.

To save everyone the trouble, and further lengthy arguments over semantics with Sweet Jesus, Gawn and Grundy still end up tops overall, but Naitanui wins on a per minute basis.

So what about number of scoring chains launched? What about hitout-winning percentage? What about hitout-winning percentage vs their opponent's? Who has the biggest differential there? Same question for hitouts to advantage? What is the percentage of hitouts to advantage and the differential against an opponent? Because, for example, no ruckman produced a hitout to advantage against Naitanui for I think the first month of the season. Think about how hard that makes life for an opposition midfield. Which ruckman wins the highest percentage of their possessions in a contest? What about metres gained as a result of hitouts to advantage? What about hitouts/hitouts to advantage that lead directly to centre breaks? Can you tell me which ruckman is the most effective in the centre circle?

But nah mate, that's OK. Just tell me who has the most one-percenters and I50s. That's just as good, I'm sure.

Also, I don't think you know what semantics are.

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

How about we start with a basic 'Five Factors of Ruckwork':

- Hitouts to Advantage
- Clearances
- Inside 50s
- Tackles
- 1%ers

A good balance of attacking and defensive measures in the role.

To save everyone the trouble, and further lengthy arguments over semantics with Sweet Jesus, Gawn and Grundy still end up tops overall, but Naitanui wins on a per minute basis.

That's a reasonable collection of stats. All of them except 1% (I don't have the comparison) were presented and Grundy was superior in all of them.

The comparison was Grundy 2018 v Naitanui 2015.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

That's a reasonable collection of stats.

NFI.

 

[A Swallow]

I miss the good old days of whether the best tagger in the comp can be AA, or if Rance should be AA.

 

[Engimal v3]

In regard to the ruck debate:

http://page-ict.com/projects/afl/re...018&team=1&o1=7&w1=1.6&o2=5&w2=1&o3=11&w3=1.2

I think Grundy will get the spot.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Rance should be AA.

Ask Boris to check out how many I50s he's got.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

In regard to the ruck debate:

http://page-ict.com/projects/afl/re...018&team=1&o1=7&w1=1.6&o2=5&w2=1&o3=11&w3=1.2

I think Grundy will get the spot.

That's a weird format. What is it?

 

[LeverPuller]

In regard to the ruck debate:

http://page-ict.com/projects/afl/re...018&team=1&o1=7&w1=1.6&o2=5&w2=1&o3=11&w3=1.2

I think Grundy will get the spot.

I think QB decides it. If Melbourne thrash Collingwood on the back of another dominant game from Gawn its all over.

If he and Grundy split it then its a coin flip.

Its very tough though. Very different players despite playing the same position.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I think QB decides it. If Melbourne thrash Collingwood on the back of another dominant game from Gawn its all over.

If WC beat Melbourne in Perth, does that mean Darling is CHF instead of Hogan?

 

[Engimal v3]

That's a weird format. What is it?

Just a lot of variables. Essentially looking a few key stats and ranking players.

 

[LeverPuller]

If WC beat Melbourne in Perth, does that mean Darling is CHF instead of Hogan?

Darling and Hogan don't play on each other.

And Darling is the second best deep forward in the comp. He will get a forward pocket.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Just a lot of variables. Essentially looking a few key stats and ranking players.

Rhys Stanley is #7?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Darling and Hogan don't play on each other.

OK. I wasn't sure how your magic rules worked.

And Darling is the second best deep forward in the comp. He will get a forward pocket.

Except he also works up the ground shitloads. That's why he has more metres gained than Hogan. He's a CHF. Try again.

 

[LeverPuller]

Except he also works up the ground shitloads. That's why he has more metres gained than Hogan. He's a CHF. Try again.

Game style difference. Darling is kicking long while Hoges is mostly moving it shorter to a running player.

Not to mention the giant blue and yellow goggles you're wearing

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Game style difference. Darling is kicking long while Hoges is mostly moving it shorter to a running player.

Darling is kicking long while playing in a FP as a deep forward? OK that's a new one.

Not to mention the giant blue and yellow goggles you're wearing

You need to be a WC fan to think Darling plays CHF and has Hogan covered so far this year? I don't think so.

I'm wearing empirical goggles. You, however, are just making it up as you go along because you've got SFA real basis for anything you're saying.

 

[Blackas87]

I think QB decides it. If Melbourne thrash Collingwood on the back of another dominant game from Gawn its all over.

If he and Grundy split it then its a coin flip.

Its very tough though. Very different players despite playing the same position.

Don't think a round 12 game will decide best ruckman for the entire year.