List Mgmt. Trade & F/A - 2018/2019 - Part 2!

[deck]

How about we just develop the bloke we drafted to play full back.

 

[Quicky]

How about we just develop the bloke we drafted to play full back.

McLarty is a legitimate option also and worth discussing. Perhaps doesn't have the demonstrated performance of some of the other options so it's an interesting discussion. I still reckon McLarty will be a good player for us.

 

[frantelle]

Scott Thompson is currently uncontracted. Decent chance he isn't offered a contract. We should pursue if that is the case.

We need a big body / someone capable of playing a shut down role, of which he can adequately do both.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Dunne will be back if not round 1 very early next season. No need to jump at shadows.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Young has the height (197cm), is a good athlete and is a high level intercept mark who walked into the Dogs side with 21 disposals and 9 marks followed by 16 disposals and 10 marks as one of if not the youngest player taken in his draft in 2016. He has had x2 13 mark and a 10 mark game in the VFL this year, and he's not even 20-years old yet. So he's one if he can be pried free could develop into a monster.

If North don't want Thompson I'd jump at the opportunity to sign him. He secured 322 disposals and 120 marks from 21 games (still durable and still productive) and importantly in 1v1 contests is still very capable. I don't have his 1v1 numbers for this year, but last year he was ranked second of the top 25 1v1 defenders. He's still a clear best 15 key defender in the competition for mine.

Young can be a very good long term player but he's going to cost plenty for the dogs to let him go.

 

[Knightmare]

What can we trade to have Pick in range to get him. Worth it? Dominate at Werribee. VFL isnt AFL though

Trading for picks this year I would advise against, as there will be bids coming for Quaynor and Kelly. So it just means you're trading for a pick to match bids for those guys.

It's more a case of if he slips through late then take him.

 

[Scodog10]

I heard today from a source that might be good that we are after Aiden Corr from the Giants, He seems like a fairly good player but I havn't seen enough of him, does anyone know more about him?

Interesting. It seems he’s very underrated on this board judging by a few comments! The only knock I have is his ability to stay healthy across the course of a season. In terms of what he offers he would be a fantastic value replacement for Dunn and a much wiser target than May, IMO.

With his mix of speed and size he’s capable on a broad range of forwards and rebound in that Giants defense isn’t something he’s ever needed to be concerned with so I have no doubt he can do it if required!

 

[Snoop Dog]

You might have already covered this Snoop but who are some guys you would target in the off season? Or are you happy going into next season with limited changes again and hope we have a better run with injuries?

This is if Lynch goes to the Tigers of course.

Yeah I must get onto doing my List Mgmt thread but for starters this is probably my view (apols for the length but once I got going........)

Delist

Blair
Smith
Broomhead
Crocker
Kirby
Lynch - R
Oxley - R


Free Agent loss

Fasolo - 3rd round pick back


Upgrades from Rookie List

Appleby
Mihocek
Madgen


Number of Draft Selections

That would be 6 off the senior list and with 2 upgrades leaves a total of 4 spots on the senior list and 3 on the rookie list as club would probably promote Madgen.


Best 22 & Depth

Next step is to look at a best 22 for 2018 on the basis of no trades;

B Langdon - Moore - Appleby
HB Maynard - Howe - Crisp
C Sidebottom - Pendlebury - Phillips
HF Stephenson - Mihocek - De Goey
F Hoskin- Elliott - Cox - Elliott
Foll Grundy - Treloar - Adams
Int Varcoe - Greenwood - Mayne - Thomas


List Assessment

Defence

KPD - Dunn / Madgen / Kelly
SD / MD - Scharenberg / Murphy / Murray / Goldsack / Quaynor

Midfield

Ruck -
Mids - Mayne / Sier / Aish / Brown / T.Brown / Wills

Forward

KPF - McLarty / Reid
SF / MF - Wells - Daicos


List Deficiencies

For mine it is a really well balanced 22 but the obvious area you would be worried about is lack of A grade key talls. Personally that doesn't worry me so much. I think Cox continues to develop and the way Mihocek works in the forward half creates oodles of opportunity for the small / medium fellas. It works so I am relaxed with the 22. Down back if you have Moore, Langdon, Howe and Appleby then I think you largely cover the talls. Appleby is a revelation. He rarely gets scored on.

Underneath that with the recruitment of Kelly and Quaynor there is ample depth down back both tall and short so we are steering clear of anything more around there. If anything it brings into question should Goldsack be retained.

We definitely need a ruck solution but for mine that is a rookie selection and hence probably a mature age player off an AFL list or a state league player.

Midfield looks well stocked for depth but there isnt really anything that looks like an emerging A grader in that list and hence that is where I would be targetting my first rounder. I will come to who that might be below.

Forward is interesting. Personally I like McLarty and would like to see him given a go. His work rate is terrific and is the type that would work well for us. I also think he is a player who will get better and better. There is also Reid and whilst an argument could be made to go tall I am a believer that you have to use a first rounder to get good tall talent and if you dont / cant do that then direct it elsewhere and have a punt on a kid late (which there are a couple of this year). Reid is handy but cant be relied upon. The smaller forwards are an issue and a selection needs to be made there.

So all in all I would be looking at a class mid, a small quick forward, a project key forward tall late and maybe a ruck through the rookie draft


Trade & FA Options / Solutions to List

Clearly if a Lynch was to come in then you would take it but lets work on premise does not happen.

Outside of it the list looks good and the only real issue for me is if we were to lose Darcy. If that happens then we are in strife down back and need to search for a replacement such as May. That would effectively be a 3 way trade so we would still retain the Rd 1 pick.

The only other things I would look at would be if a Shiel or Beams became free. Shiel particularly. Do not be surprised if it is Shiel. He is mates with Treloar, WHE and Adams and came through with them in same year. He would be a great addition and provide real depth and class to that midfield group. If he was 'gettable' this year I would go hard with our first rounder and whatever else was required.

Forward is interesting. They had a real dip at Mitch McGovern so you would think they might look at him again but would have to think WCE would be into him along with Fremantle so I suspect that is unlikely. Equally with a fit Elliott (and you have to work on that premise) then the need to do that trade is questionable.

In terms of other delisted free Agents I cant really see any. Would you look at Andy Otten for a year as a key back yeah possibly but I dont really see any others that make sense. If Sam Collins hadn't had such a good year I would have looked at him but he will go in the 30-50 range.

All in all I suspect none of the above happens so we take in the 4 picks.


National Draft & Rookie

As mentioned I dont think we trade so that leaves us with 4 selections in the National Draft.

First pick - will be around 15-18 and I still dont think Quaynor or Kelly go top 15 - 18. I would like to see them go with a midfielder with some speed and class. There isnt a heap of that type in the draft but guys like Butters, Collier-Dawkins, Rozee, Taylor, Jones might be a few to look at. I really like Clark but unless you think he or Quaynor get into the midfield group I am a no.

Remaining picks in the 50's and 70 - these selections will all go to Kelly and Quaynor who will go in the 20's for mine so we will use all the points.

That would leave us with a selection at the back end of the draft which would be interesting as the club have a good record of getting these right. Look out for the kid Jake Gaspar. He is one I reckon we might look at late or in the rookie. Another I thought may have flown under the radar was Noah Gown (KPF) who have been tracking for a while but his last month will have elevated him. Sam Fletcher and Cam Hustwaite are midfield players I would be keen to get who may be around late (Fletcher unlikely), Riley Morgan one from WA who looks handy as well but again I think he will go pretty high. Watch out for Boadie Motton from GP as well.

McAdam and Scloithe from SA / WA are ones who could give something as small forwards. Both mature age players and would make an impression early. Wellings and Jok are two on the VFL list who would have to come under consideration as would Hore if you were looking for defensive depth. Club might think he is the best kid to give us some cover, particularly if they think that Langdon / others can play taller if situation is required.

Obviously we have a couple of NGA kids and Atu is a likely target for sure.

 

[Snoop Dog]

Aiden Corr is interesting if only because he's a key back. He tends to be borderline best 22 when he's fit. I think about 3rd choice behind Davis and Haynes. Not the best match up on the monster types I recall? He seems to be injured a lot though. He's been out with a groin issue for ages.

What are your thoughts on Corr Snoop Dog and Knightmare?

Possibly. Doesnt do enough offensively for mine. With Sam Taylor going so well its possible Corr is available.

 

[Knightmare]

One other state leaguer I like while I'm here is Lewis Johnston (ex Swan/Crow).

Can play either key forward or push up a wing. As a rookie, I see him as an immediate value choice who could compliment Cox.

 

[Soups]

Yeah I must get onto doing my List Mgmt thread but for starters this is probably my view (apols for the length but once I got going........)

Delist

Blair
Smith
Broomhead
Crocker
Kirby
Lynch - R
Oxley - R


Free Agent loss

Fasolo - 3rd round pick back


Upgrades from Rookie List

Appleby
Mihocek
Madgen


Number of Draft Selections

That would be 6 off the senior list and with 2 upgrades leaves a total of 4 spots on the senior list and 3 on the rookie list as club would probably promote Madgen.


Best 22 & Depth

Next step is to look at a best 22 for 2018 on the basis of no trades;

B Langdon - Moore - Appleby
HB Maynard - Howe - Crisp
C Sidebottom - Pendlebury - Phillips
HF Stephenson - Mihocek - De Goey
F Hoskin- Elliott - Cox - Elliott
Foll Grundy - Treloar - Adams
Int Varcoe - Greenwood - Mayne - Thomas


List Assessment

Defence

KPD - Dunn / Madgen / Kelly
SD / MD - Scharenberg / Murphy / Murray / Goldsack / Quaynor

Midfield

Ruck -
Mids - Mayne / Sier / Aish / Brown / T.Brown / Wills

Forward

KPF - McLarty / Reid
SF / MF - Wells - Daicos


List Deficiencies

For mine it is a really well balanced 22 but the obvious area you would be worried about is lack of A grade key talls. Personally that doesn't worry me so much. I think Cox continues to develop and the way Mihocek works in the forward half creates oodles of opportunity for the small / medium fellas. It works so I am relaxed with the 22. Down back if you have Moore, Langdon, Howe and Appleby then I think you largely cover the talls. Appleby is a revelation. He rarely gets scored on.

Underneath that with the recruitment of Kelly and Quaynor there is ample depth down back both tall and short so we are steering clear of anything more around there. If anything it brings into question should Goldsack be retained.

We definitely need a ruck solution but for mine that is a rookie selection and hence probably a mature age player off an AFL list or a state league player.

Midfield looks well stocked for depth but there isnt really anything that looks like an emerging A grader in that list and hence that is where I would be targetting my first rounder. I will come to who that might be below.

Forward is interesting. Personally I like McLarty and would like to see him given a go. His work rate is terrific and is the type that would work well for us. I also think he is a player who will get better and better. There is also Reid and whilst an argument could be made to go tall I am a believer that you have to use a first rounder to get good tall talent and if you dont / cant do that then direct it elsewhere and have a punt on a kid late (which there are a couple of this year). Reid is handy but cant be relied upon. The smaller forwards are an issue and a selection needs to be made there.

So all in all I would be looking at a class mid, a small quick forward, a project key forward tall late and maybe a ruck through the rookie draft


Trade & FA Options / Solutions to List

Clearly if a Lynch was to come in then you would take it but lets work on premise does not happen.

Outside of it the list looks good and the only real issue for me is if we were to lose Darcy. If that happens then we are in strife down back and need to search for a replacement such as May. That would effectively be a 3 way trade so we would still retain the Rd 1 pick.

The only other things I would look at would be if a Shiel or Beams became free. Shiel particularly. Do not be surprised if it is Shiel. He is mates with Treloar, WHE and Adams and came through with them in same year. He would be a great addition and provide real depth and class to that midfield group. If he was 'gettable' this year I would go hard with our first rounder and whatever else was required.

Forward is interesting. They had a real dip at Mitch McGovern so you would think they might look at him again but would have to think WCE would be into him along with Fremantle so I suspect that is unlikely. Equally with a fit Elliott (and you have to work on that premise) then the need to do that trade is questionable.

In terms of other delisted free Agents I cant really see any. Would you look at Andy Otten for a year as a key back yeah possibly but I dont really see any others that make sense. If Sam Collins hadn't had such a good year I would have looked at him but he will go in the 30-50 range.

All in all I suspect none of the above happens so we take in the 4 picks.


National Draft & Rookie

As mentioned I dont think we trade so that leaves us with 4 selections in the National Draft.

First pick - will be around 15-18 and I still dont think Quaynor or Kelly go top 15 - 18. I would like to see them go with a midfielder with some speed and class. There isnt a heap of that type in the draft but guys like Butters, Collier-Dawkins, Rozee, Taylor, Jones might be a few to look at. I really like Clark but unless you think he or Quaynor get into the midfield group I am a no.

Remaining picks in the 50's and 70 - these selections will all go to Kelly and Quaynor who will go in the 20's for mine so we will use all the points.

That would leave us with a selection at the back end of the draft which would be interesting as the club have a good record of getting these right. Look out for the kid Jake Gaspar. He is one I reckon we might look at late or in the rookie. Another I thought may have flown under the radar was Noah Gown (KPF) who have been tracking for a while but his last month will have elevated him. Sam Fletcher and Cam Hustwaite are midfield players I would be keen to get who may be around late (Fletcher unlikely), Riley Morgan one from WA who looks handy as well but again I think he will go pretty high. Watch out for Boadie Motton from GP as well.

McAdam and Scloithe from SA / WA are ones who could give something as small forwards. Both mature age players and would make an impression early. Wellings and Jok are two on the VFL list who would have to come under consideration as would Hore if you were looking for defensive depth. Club might think he is the best kid to give us some cover, particularly if they think that Langdon / others can play taller if situation is required.

Obviously we have a couple of NGA kids and Atu is a likely target for sure.

Awesome as usual Snoop. Thanks for the read mate.

 

[Soups]

One other state leaguer I like while I'm here is Lewis Johnston (ex Swan/Crow).

Can play either key forward or push up a wing. As a rookie, I see him as an immediate value choice who could compliment Cox.

I used to watch him for the Swans Reserves when they played a lot in Canberra. He was a good talent that just didn’t push on. Excellent kick of the footy.

 

[Knightmare]

I used to watch him for the Swans Reserves when they played a lot in Canberra. He was a good talent that just didn’t push on. Excellent kick of the footy.

He's regularly getting 30 disposals, 10 marks pushing high up the wings in the SANFL. He could play the Tom Lynch (Adelaide) role. Very strong mark overhead but has really built that motor to push high up the ground.

 

[Thefly38]

Get Shiel , take another mature KPD , then head to the draft

 

[frantelle]

Dunne will be back if not round 1 very early next season. No need to jump at shadows.

Is he getting a synthetic ligament? Otherwise bit early to suggest it'll be a 9 month knee reco.

I worry what sort of player he will be upon return given his age and lack of athleticism at the time he did his knee.

 

[FIGJAM]

He's regularly getting 30 disposals, 10 marks pushing high up the wings in the SANFL. He could play the Tom Lynch (Adelaide) role. Very strong mark overhead but has really built that motor to push high up the ground.

Interesting!

I liked him in his draft year, but ultimately got found out as a flanker in a KP height body.

But nowadays that's all the rage IF you've got the tank and know where and when to run.

He certainly has some skills.

 

[Jonno94]

Mitch McGovern would be the most sensible option out of that bunch if Lynch doesn't come over, would be really disappointed if we aren't heavily into him. Cant get Shiel, he will cost too much.

 

[TradeDraft]

One other state leaguer I like while I'm here is Lewis Johnston (ex Swan/Crow).

Can play either key forward or push up a wing. As a rookie, I see him as an immediate value choice who could compliment Cox.

and a Collingwood Fan

 

[nahnah]

Mitch McGovern would be the most sensible option out of that bunch if Lynch doesn't come over, would be really disappointed if we aren't heavily into him. Cant get Shiel, he will cost too much.

Probably ends up at Carlton

 

[Shaneprice97]

Its tempting but i doubt the club will consider recruiting another midfielder.

Treloar was arguably our best midfielder when he went down, and since we have covered him brilliantly.
Sidebottoms in career best form, Adams is probably in career best form and Pendlebury will probably make the All Australian squad. Then theres De Maynard/Crisp/Thomas who have become great flankers but are also decent gameday midfield depth.

I think the club would rather invest in getting Jamie Elliott fit, then upping De Goeys minutes in the guts.

I think the club have alot of faith in Brayden Sier and De Goey. When Pendlebury declines i suspect the club to look at them to pick up the slack.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Is he getting a synthetic ligament? Otherwise bit early to suggest it'll be a 9 month knee reco.

I worry what sort of player he will be upon return given his age and lack of athleticism at the time he did his knee.

no he didn't get a lars reco. I heard somewhere they used a graft from his quad.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

I feel like May should priority number 1 given the decimation our backline has copped.

We clearly need more quality depth there. Our forward line is good enough and young enough to grow without Lynch in it.

I feel like our backline NEEDS May. Or someone in a similar age/experience profile.

 

[partypie]

For those who seem to have missed it Crocker has been re-signed for 2019 so we're not delisting him this year.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

I’m really warming up to the idea of bringing in Scott Thompson.

He’s played every game this year.
Averages 16 Disposals, 8 intercept possessions per game, 7 marks a game. Deispossle efficiency 75%.
He’s the perfect top-up player.

1 year contract with a trigger for 2.

Scott Thompson > Goddard/ May.

 

[Jen2310]

For those who seem to have missed it Crocker has been re-signed for 2019 so we're not delisting him this year.

Yeah, that was last year, right? So he has another year. See if he can improve himself. I do have a soft spot for him.