Past #39: Billy Hartung - will not be offered a new contract - thanks for your efforts Billy

[King Corey]

Despite what Cam has said here I think it tells you exactly where we are at with Polec , Hall and Gaff .

Still need depth in an area we're incredibly thin in. Even with those 3, one or 2 get injured and we have bupkis after that.

 

[Coalface]

We have the option to take him as a rookie still, correct?

 

[Orange Peanut]

Yeah just unlucky that Froggy has taken his spot.

 

[tazaa]

If I was selecting a side tomorrow to play a final at the G, I would be choosing Billy over Ahern, LDU and Walker. Let alone a few other under performing senior players.

Watching us get killed on the spread against *, Collingwood and Western I cant cop hes just 'unlucky'.

 

[Caracas]

FYI - The Score “whisper” relates to a player from Port. Not sure why there’s a connection to Billy and any altercation.

As I very much suspected. My thoughts are that, if North thought we had a 23 year old who was good enough, short of producing a pump action shotgun at training, there is nothing that his father could do to cause him to be delisted. Am I right?


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[RobZombie]

some would call it unlucky, other would say it was poor list management.

Would it have been better list management to use pick 77 on a less talented kid than Billy who we’d have to commit 2 years to instead of 1?

 

[Mav]

Would it have been better list management to use pick 77 on a less talented kid than Billy who we’d have to commit 2 years to instead of 1?

You're missing the point. We shouldn't be in a position where a player good enough to be on our list is let go because he's unlucky in his contract timing. What would have happened if Billy had played well enough to get AA selection? Would we still have delisted him and said sorry bad luck? If he was only ever going to be here for 1 year then why get him at all? Playing him just hinders our so called rebuild. Why didn't we just give Mullett a one year extension?

I don't have a problem with letting Billy go, but the excuse just smacks of more bullshit coming from our administration.

 

[Mav]

Despite what Cam has said here I think it tells you exactly where we are at with Polec , Hall and Gaff .

where exactly are we with Polec, Hall and Gaff? Is it the same place we were at with Kelly and Martin?

 

[tazaa]

Would it have been better list management to use pick 77 on a less talented kid than Billy who we’d have to commit 2 years to instead of 1?

The issue is Rob from Round 1-10 we were the Number 1 ranked pressure team and the Number 1 defence. All players that were in and around the side at the time are very highly viewed upon.
In my time as a North supporter, I had never seem a defensive unit so tight and disciplined and it was awesome to watch.
Obviously the correlation of Jacobs going down in round 11 but also LDU, Ahern and Walker coming into the team and having sub 70% game time matches hammered us on the spread.
Clarke for all his inadequacies was a preferred option also as he ran back into defence cause he had the fitness to do so and allowed that get out option ala Gibson. And then there was Bill. He was able to chase and harass amongst getting it 20-25 times and it worked well.

Its just hard for most supporters to grasp how we can cut a bloke who was apart of 22 that many believe played as good a footy as any team has, at this club this century.

 

[RobZombie]

You're missing the point. We shouldn't be in a position where a player good enough to be on our list is let go because he's unlucky in his contract timing. What would have happened if Billy had played well enough to get AA selection? Would we still have delisted him and said sorry bad luck? If he was only ever going to be here for 1 year then why get him at all? Playing him just hinders our so called rebuild. Why didn't we just give Mullett a one year extension?

I don't have a problem with letting Billy go, but the excuse just smacks of more bullshit coming from our administration.

I’m not missing the point at all. Of course your ridiculous hypothetical would have had a different result. And I doubt the original plan was to definitely piss him off after one year. Good thinking to keep that option open though.

We’ve got Jacobs & EVW as best 22 who missed r23. EVW in hopefully pushes McDonald up the field. We need to make room for LDU, Ahern, Walker, probably Polec, possibly Gaff. Dumont is a level above where we might have expected at the start of the season. There’s a midfield logjam coming that we didn’t necessarily foresee and Billy's left out when the music stopped.

I hardly expect the club to play anything other than a straight bat in public.

Bullshit or straight bat? I’m on Team Straight Bat.

 

[benbanjo]

The issue is Rob from Round 1-10 we were the Number 1 ranked pressure team and the Number 1 defence. All players that were in and around the side at the time are very highly viewed upon.
In my time as a North supporter, I had never seem a defensive unit so tight and disciplined and it was awesome to watch.
Obviously the correlation of Jacobs going down in round 11 but also LDU, Ahern and Walker coming into the team and having sub 70% game time matches hammered us on the spread.
Clarke for all his inadequacies was a preferred option also as he ran back into defence cause he had the fitness to do so and allowed that get out option ala Gibson. And then there was Bill. He was able to chase and harass amongst getting it 20-25 times and it worked well.

Its just hard for most supporters to grasp how we can cut a bloke who was apart of 22 that many believe played as good a footy as any team has, at this club this century.

Spot on, Hartung running back into defensive 50 was huge in the beginning of the season, he was able to slow down the play.

Absolute rubbish that he got delisted.
These are his games this year, not too bad if you ask me...Anyway i guess we just need to move on now.

 

[RobZombie]

The issue is Rob from Round 1-10 we were the Number 1 ranked pressure team and the Number 1 defence. All players that were in and around the side at the time are very highly viewed upon.
In my time as a North supporter, I had never seem a defensive unit so tight and disciplined and it was awesome to watch.
Obviously the correlation of Jacobs going down in round 11 but also LDU, Ahern and Walker coming into the team and having sub 70% game time matches hammered us on the spread.
Clarke for all his inadequacies was a preferred option also as he ran back into defence cause he had the fitness to do so and allowed that get out option ala Gibson. And then there was Bill. He was able to chase and harass amongst getting it 20-25 times and it worked well.

Its just hard for most supporters to grasp how we can cut a bloke who was apart of 22 that many believe played as good a footy as any team has, at this club this century.

Oh I agree with most of that. I said a few weeks ago that I thought we missed Billy's ability to close space defending the switch. He performed way better than I expected and I do think he was unlucky to be cut. I also think it’s ok for Joyces to say that in public and it wasn’t dumb list management to use pick 77 on redrafting a player you only have to give 1 year to.

 

[Mav]

I’m not missing the point at all. Of course your ridiculous hypothetical would have had a different result. And I doubt the original plan was to definitely piss him off after one year. Good thinking to keep that option open though.

We’ve got Jacobs & EVW as best 22 who missed r23. EVW in hopefully pushes McDonald up the field. We need to make room for LDU, Ahern, Walker, probably Polec, possibly Gaff. Dumont is a level above where we might have expected at the start of the season. There’s a midfield logjam coming that we didn’t necessarily foresee and Billy's left out when the music stopped.

Bullshit or straight bat? I’m on Team Straight Bat.

na you're missing the point. It's not a ridiculous hypothetical at all. Billy played well enough to be in our best 22, he was playing when Jacobs and EVW were both playing so they're not the players to push him out. (If anything McDonald should be pushed off to the VFL, not up the field). So if he's good enough to be in our best 22 why delist him? When did the original plan change? As for keeping the option open...would it not have been better to have a couple of options open? Then he wouldn't be "unlucky" and the team could actually be picked on merit!

And if the List Managers couldn't foresee a midfield logjam then they're not doing their job properly. The list managers knew all about LDU, Ahern and Walker.

As for using Polec and Gaff as an excuse, that's just stupid. They're making a decision on the basis of a chance? Neither Polac or Gaff have signed yet. I dare you to make a similar call to Phillyroo. If it doesn't happen would you stop posting on BF?

As I said, I don't have a problem with Billy being delisted, just don't feed us the bullshit he was unlucky.

 

[RobZombie]

As I said, I don't have a problem with Billy being delisted, just don't feed us the bullshit he was unlucky.

So you think he wasn’t unlucky?

 

[Mav]

So you think he wasn’t unlucky?

only in the sense that he is the victim of poor list management...or there's more to the story.

 

[Horace]

na you're missing the point. It's not a ridiculous hypothetical at all. Billy played well enough to be in our best 22, he was playing when Jacobs and EVW were both playing so they're not the players to push him out. (If anything McDonald should be pushed off to the VFL, not up the field). So if he's good enough to be in our best 22 why delist him? When did the original plan change? As for keeping the option open...would it not have been better to have a couple of options open? Then he wouldn't be "unlucky" and the team could actually be picked on merit!

And if the List Managers couldn't foresee a midfield logjam then they're not doing their job properly. The list managers knew all about LDU, Ahern and Walker.

As for using Polec and Gaff as an excuse, that's just stupid. They're making a decision on the basis of a chance? Neither Polac or Gaff have signed yet. I dare you to make a similar call to Phillyroo. If it doesn't happen would you stop posting on BF?

As I said, I don't have a problem with Billy being delisted, just don't feed us the bullshit he was unlucky.

Just because you and RobZombie have differing views on this situation, does not give you the right to challenge him to stop posting.

The opposite might be said to you. If both Polec and Gaff join us, are you going to do a Phillyroo. I think not and neither should RobZombie, who in my opinion is a quality poster here.

 

[shinboner magic]

Yeah but if we were to get any 2 of Polec/Gaff/Hall there's just no room for Billy. He'd be looking at long VFL stints.

There’s a thing of having backup in case of injury/form

You're missing the point. We shouldn't be in a position where a player good enough to be on our list is let go because he's unlucky in his contract timing. What would have happened if Billy had played well enough to get AA selection? Would we still have delisted him and said sorry bad luck? If he was only ever going to be here for 1 year then why get him at all? Playing him just hinders our so called rebuild. Why didn't we just give Mullett a one year extension?

I don't have a problem with letting Billy go, but the excuse just smacks of more bullshit coming from our administration.

Great joke is our management of our list

 

[archereleven]

There’s a thing of having backup in case of injury/form




Great joke is our management of our list

Scott's only likes having vfl players with **** all senior games as back ups. It might put pressure on his pre season selected 22 to have a bloke with afl experience tearing it ip at vfl level, ****, he might have to drop an lmac/hrovat type!! Imagine that!

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[RobZombie]

And if the List Managers couldn't foresee a midfield logjam then they're not doing their job properly. The list managers knew all about LDU, Ahern and Walker.

Lol ya ****en plonker. This time last year Anderson was a small forward lucky to have another year on his contract, we didn’t know if Jacobs’ foot would ever be right again, Ahern was a complete unknown, Dumont was a 3rd choice inside mid, LDU was going to play 22 games and be an instant star, Walker was a skinny kid we had drafted literally 20 minutes previously who might take 3 years to be ready. And Polec wasn’t even a twinkle in the War Chest’s eye.

Yeah the midfield outlook has changed since we drafted Hartung.

 

[RobZombie]

I dare you to make a similar call to Phillyroo. If it doesn't happen would you stop posting on BF?

You know I should do that. I can stand behind my “likely” and “possible” when they don’t sign and say sure, they were likely and possible all along. Can’t lose.

 

[Gasometer]

Lol ya ****en plonker. This time last year Anderson was a small forward lucky to have another year on his contract, we didn’t know if Jacobs’ foot would ever be right again, Ahern was a complete unknown, Dumont was a 3rd choice inside mid, LDU was going to play 22 games and be an instant star, Walker was a skinny kid we had drafted literally 20 minutes previously who might take 3 years to be ready. And Polec wasn’t even a twinkle in the War Chest’s eye.

Yeah the midfield outlook has changed since we drafted Hartung.

One point; you didn’t mention Gaff ^

 

[arden station]

The 22 to 25 players who played the second half of the year were collectively significantly below AFL average on endurance, speed and agility. That was clearly shown in all our losses and against Brisbane. We had to clearly win contested possession/clearances to win games. The best sides can lose contested ball and still win games comfortably - Richmond has done this all year. We were totally incapable of stopping the opposition D-50 exits.

Then we delist a guy who not only has elite endurance but also elite pace. He played well in his games with us except against Geelong - when he got caught a few times because he had no one to kick to and the whole side played poorly. When he played, we stopped opposition exits and slowed ball movement and had someone who could break the lines other than Atley.

What is most concerning about this decision is that either Joyce, Scott and co don't seem to realise what the games against Essendon and Collingwood so clearly exposed or the club is spinning a line.

Great if we get Gaff and Polec. We'd still be a slow side lacking endurance runners. Hartung could've played as a small forward with his pace and endurance and our weakness in that area. At the very least he could've provided depth.

 

[Passmore]

The legend of Billy Hartung grows by the minute.

Look, he was surprisingly ok, and I'd not have been bothered if he stayed another season, but **** there is a fair bit of mayo being put on his performances and capabilities.

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[RobZombie]

One point; you didn’t mention Gaff ^

Didn’t want to put too much mayo on it.

 

[Zondor]

http://www.nmfc.com.au/news/2018-08-30/hartung-unlucky-to-go


Billy Hartung can consider himself “very unlucky” to have been delisted, according to GM football Cameron Joyce.

The 23-year-old running machine was told his time at Arden St was up on Tuesday, having spent just one season at the Kangaroos.

“Sometimes people fall into the boat of being uncontracted at potentially the wrong time,” Joyce said on SEN.

“There’s a lot of things that go into the decision, not just your normal form/injury piece but where your list is going, what potential positional needs you need and also too, the improvement of some players … Trent Dumont has had a fantastic year for us and finished off so strongly.”

Hartung crossed to North from Hawthorn and played every game until he injured his hamstring in Round 14.

“Everyone knows you’ve got to move three players off your list at the end of each year, obviously to create the room, but also with specific list changes you can only do that with players that are out of contract,” Joyce explained.

“He can consider himself unlucky.”

Asked about the potential of Port Adelaide wingman Jared Polec joining the club, Joyce said he hasn’t given any indications to date.

“We certainly haven’t been legitimately told by Jared or his manager that he wants to come and play with North Melbourne,” Joyce said.

“In terms of the trade period, we’re still five weeks away from that happening.

“That’s probably the same situation we’re in with other players at the moment, so we’re going to have to wait unfortunately.

“We’re not trying to put cold water on it by any means, but it’s never done until it’s done.”

Cams Joyces Hey? LOL Full of Shit. :stern look