Mitch McGovern 2: As The Worm Turns (read the OP)

[jo172]

WCE for example have had 4 grand finals and 2 flags in the last 12 years.

Seems to me they’re doing something right

Be intrigued to see a comparison of finals won and ladder positions.

Obviously they've got the job done when it mattered whereas we choked but I'm curious to see the comparison over that period.

My unresearched gut is that they've been a bit more erratic in their finishes compared to our at worst 11th.

 

[Sanders]

Be intrigued to see a comparison of finals won and ladder positions.

Obviously they've got the job done when it mattered whereas we choked but I'm curious to see the comparison over that period.

My unresearched gut is that they've been a bit more erratic in their finishes compared to our at worst 11th.

I think you’re right in that they have experienced greater fluctuations than us; it also appears to be the case that our greater stability or perhaps low volatility & predictability has not served us as well as their approach

 

[Johnny Rutten]

This doesn't answer the above questions, but is a table of finals wins-losses in the AFL era.

Sorted first by flags, then by winning%.

 

[ad victoriam]

Geelong have rich benefactors who can help out players financially. I’m sure hawthorn has methods too. Remember Chad wanted 1mill a year.

And a two-team town in Adelaide does not have media deals, business deals with rich millionaires some who own Pubs. and add a couple of people well versed in Property management.
Who do you think is the Face of the Adelaide Sports & Entertainment this year and next year.
Maybe check and find out which Crows players are stepping into financial management. And who their mentors are.
All Clubs are doing it.

 

[Red mist]

You do understand we use the same model and Pay structure as Geelong and Hawthorn. But yea maybe it is outdated.
As for the rest of s**t, you wrote I just delete a long response because of what's the use. People like you will never change,
And don't bother with a crap reply because I don't care, I am going to enjoy the trade period and Draft.

It’s not crap if it’s been perpetuated. It’s frustrating seeing serious talent walk.

 

[ad victoriam]

It’s not crap if it’s been perpetuated. It’s frustrating seeing serious talent walk.

So how do think the trade period going for the Crows?

 

[Red mist]

So how do think the trade period going for the Crows?

Will we find a suitor to trade down? We need to trade down to get Rozee. We need local.

 

[BunjiMC]

This doesn't answer the above questions, but is a table of finals wins-losses in the AFL era.

Sorted first by flags, then by winning%.

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Interestingly only 2 clubs have a higher losing % when playing at home and no-one has a higher winning % when playing away. But the GF at the MCG isn't unfair...

 

[ad victoriam]

Will we find a suitor to trade down? We need to trade down to get Rozee. We need local.

Maybe the Saint will come to the Party but I want to Keep Pick 8, and trade 13 and 16
Be happy with 4, 8 21 as I only believe we have the room to blood 3 top picks in the next few years.

 

[Red mist]

Maybe the Saint will come to the Party but I want to Keep Pick 8, and trade 13 and 16
Be happy with 4, 8 21 as I only believe we have the room to blood 3 top picks in the next few years.

Successful clubs bring em in and find the room. You gotta be merciless. We threw Fogarty at the wolves this yr. Got to be prepared to do the same thing again with a couple next yr. Keep things ticking over and never die wanting.

 

[ad victoriam]

Successful clubs bring em in and find the room. You gotta be merciless. We threw Fogarty at the wolves this yr. Got to be prepared to do the same thing again with a couple next yr. Keep things ticking over and never die wanting.

Yes but any more than 3 will be a struggle next year more so when we want to get games into the likes of Gallucci, Fogarty, Doedee, Murthy, Then we have McAdam plus 3 top picks will be a struggle to play them all
And I have not mention Pohokle and McPherson (who I rate very Highly) unless we have a bad year again with injuries.

 

[GreyCrow]

This doesn't answer the above questions, but is a table of finals wins-losses in the AFL era.

Sorted first by flags, then by winning%.

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Thank you.

It seems EVERY club does indeed struggle away

 

[Red mist]

Yes but any more than 3 will be a struggle next year more so when we want to get games into the likes of Gallucci, Fogarty, Doedee, Murthy, Then we have McAdam plus 3 top picks will be a struggle to play them all
And I have not mention Pohokle and McPherson (who I rate very Highly) unless we have a bad year again with injuries.

So good to bundle it up and get lower in the order. Otherwise it’s just meh.

 

[ad victoriam]

So good to bundle it up and get lower in the order. Otherwise it’s just meh.

Yea starting to think that way, get 3 good kids to go with McAdam and look for a Ruck later to Rookie ie Fort.

 

[Mego Red]

Pyke to me is like a soul less corporate manager. A dull speaker who could not motivate me at his best.

You've never heard him speak. He's excellent in person. He just gives the media nothing.

 

[spenze]

Will we find a suitor to trade down? We need to trade down to get Rozee. We need local.

 

[hey shorty]

So good to bundle it up and get lower in the order. Otherwise it’s just meh.

We have to be careful, any move will probably cost us pick 8 and theres no reason to suggest we wouldnt get Hately with that

 

[spexau]

We have to be careful, any move will probably cost us pick 8 and theres no reason to suggest we wouldnt get Hately with that

You'd think we're trying to move up and keep 8 so we have 2 top 10s.

 

[CrowBloke]

Deserves its own thread.

This.
Why post it in here?

 

[CrowBloke]

Maybe our club culture just wasn't right for these people? but it seems to be alright for a vast majority of players who come here.

.... and stay!
This, x 100. It's impossible to please 100% of a playing list.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Pretty sure there’s a pic floating around on Facebook of Gov looking unfit as *, not sure if it’s been mentioned?

 

[CrowBloke]

1) I can point you to 17 other clubs who kept great players.
2) I can point to a maximum of 4 other clubs that have lost the high end talent we have over the past 10 years. Thats a big problem.

1) So have we --- Laird and Sloane in particular. What's your point?
2) High end talent we've lost:
--- Dangerfield, for sure, Brownlow medallist and hard nut, but look what he's become at Geelong viz a self-promoting, smug, media-attention-seeking, diving/flopping JSelwood clone. He will always put himself first and seems to love being the Big Fish (Cat? ) in a little Geelong pond.
--- Gunston and Davis also for sure. I don't know about Gunston's reasons, but Davis was always going to do his two years then go home, which has nothing to do with the Crows/Club/team/culture.
--- then there's daylight, then
--- Tippett/Lever/McGovern are all money-chasing egomaniacs and were team de-stabilisers. Good riddance.
--- Cameron, well, looks like he actually did go home for family reasons, but he only ever played 4 or 5 good games/year, with the 2017 PF a standout.

It's not "a big problem" for the Crows only, since Interstate players are always a flight risk and there will always be someone who thinks he's worth more than he's being paid. Somebody above made a good point that Gov and his Manager negotiated his deal very poorly if he was unhappy before the end of 2017. Who cares what Gibbs is being paid? Gov shows potential only at this time and cannot compare himself to Gibbs, yet, if ever.

 

[CrowBloke]

If this is true:

From what i heard Pyke stated in a 1 & 1 meeting that he needs to work a whole lot harder and cut the excuses to get his body right or find a new home.

then KUDOS to Pyke and Gov can GAGF.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I'm sure Carlton's new fitness boss won't let Gov develop a beer gut.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Pretty sure there’s a pic floating around on Facebook of Gov looking unfit as ****, not sure if it’s been mentioned?

Here’s the photo: