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So what is wrong with a Carbon Tax?
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i have full understanding how how budgets, economy’s and business expenditure work floggo!
The bit were you attempting to describe Howard as incompetent and put Krudd and Gillard on a pedestal of economic genius. Then place criticism on the lnp in front of labor with terrible money management only show bias and zero idea of history or factual information
And it was working, exactly as the sensible economists predicted it would.Even Gillard admitted it was a tax. With Neil Mitchell.
Now, there was going to be this silly semantic debate break out about whether or not that was effectively like a tax. And I'm happy to say for the first few years with a fixed price, it's effectively like a tax.
What would the Libs be trying to wedge on then ?And it was working, exactly as the sensible economists predicted it would.
The irony is that if Howard had been re-elected in 2007, we would have had a carbon tax for 11 years now.
Do you rate this government ?The poster that started this thread is definitely a candidate for worst poster on bigfooty.
Do you rate this government ?
What makes them better than the Rudd Gillard yearsNo, it's an embarassment.
That said it is not at levels of ineptitude seen during the Rudd/Gillard years and it has had some success by returning the budget to a surplus (despite the stupidity of an unfunded NDIS).
They are currently the best of what are appalling options - a situation that seems to have been arrived at by individuals entering politics for the worst of reasons.
What makes them better than the Rudd Gillard years
The stability ?
The debt levels ?
The vision for the future?
KRudd & Gillard are the benchmark. Abbott/Turnbull/ScoMo have sailed safely underneath the bar, despite it being set very low indeed.It's progress that we have agreed that the benchmark for worst post war government is the Rudd Gillard years.
The Turnbull years would have to be up there. His legacy will be - knifed a sitting PM who won by a landslide, did **** all as PM, was sacked for the same '30 Newspoll' results that he cited to get rid of Abbott, then tried to destroy his own party.
Nice revisionist history. Have heard this multiple times though from staunch Labor supporters who are trying to play down how horrid their last years in government actually were.No matter what the mistakes made by Rudd and Gillard, they pale into insignificance compared to the s**t show we have had to endure since Abbott
Abbott was bad
Turnbull was pathetic
Morrison, not to be outdone, hits the bottom of the barrel and with each passing day tries to go further down
And yet, unlike Bozo the Clown, they still managed to get stuff done.Nice revisionist history. Have heard this multiple times though from staunch Labor supporters who are trying to play down how horrid their last years in government actually were.
No, it's an embarassment.
That said it is not at levels of ineptitude seen during the Rudd/Gillard years and it has had some success by returning the budget to a surplus (despite the stupidity of an unfunded NDIS).
They are currently the best of what are appalling options - a situation that seems to have been arrived at by individuals entering politics for the worst of reasons.
How can you even say that?No, it's an embarassment.
That said it is not at levels of ineptitude seen during the Rudd/Gillard years and it has had some success by returning the budget to a surplus (despite the stupidity of an unfunded NDIS).
They are currently the best of what are appalling options - a situation that seems to have been arrived at by individuals entering politics for the worst of reasons.
He was the most effective opposition leader,but not in any way for Australias best long or short term interests, just to wreck and lie his way into power.I can’t believe there are still people clinging to the idea that Abbott wasn’t a bad Prime Minister. The only thing he was good for was lols.
Straight up trollHow can you even say that?
Any objective observer can see that Shorten has not put a foot wrong in five years.
The government, on the other hand, long ago ran out of feet in which to shoot itself.
You don't have to like Shorten. He's hardly set me on fire.
But neither do you have to be a rabid rusted-on Laborite to see that currently in Australia, we only have one major party capable of running a government.
Despite his landslide victory, these days it's hard to find anyone who thought Abbott was any good. History has been firmly rewritten by those who were conned by him.
It's the Peter Principle. People will be promoted to their level of incompetence.He was the most effective opposition leader,but not in any way for Australias best long or short term interests, just to wreck and lie his way into power.
NO IT'S ALL THAT " LEFTY " MALS FAULT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! * stamps foot *It's the Peter Principle. People will be promoted to their level of incompetence.
He was perhaps our best opposition leader ever, and shortly after, one of our worst PMs ever.
If he had been any good as PM, he would have lasted long enough to be further promoted (ie re-elected).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle