Is this the worst post war government?

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i have full understanding how how budgets, economy’s and business expenditure work floggo!

The bit were you attempting to describe Howard as incompetent and put Krudd and Gillard on a pedestal of economic genius. Then place criticism on the lnp in front of labor with terrible money management only show bias and zero idea of history or factual information

You appear to lack even a high-school level grasp of the English language, though.
 
Even Gillard admitted it was a tax. With Neil Mitchell.

Now, there was going to be this silly semantic debate break out about whether or not that was effectively like a tax. And I'm happy to say for the first few years with a fixed price, it's effectively like a tax.​
And it was working, exactly as the sensible economists predicted it would.

The irony is that if Howard had been re-elected in 2007, we would have had a carbon tax for 11 years now.
 

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And it was working, exactly as the sensible economists predicted it would.

The irony is that if Howard had been re-elected in 2007, we would have had a carbon tax for 11 years now.
What would the Libs be trying to wedge on then ?
They would only have boat people and the queen left
 
Do you rate this government ?

No, it's an embarassment.

That said it is not at levels of ineptitude seen during the Rudd/Gillard years and it has had some success by returning the budget to a surplus (despite the stupidity of an unfunded NDIS).

They are currently the best of what are appalling options - a situation that seems to have been arrived at by individuals entering politics for the worst of reasons.
 
No, it's an embarassment.

That said it is not at levels of ineptitude seen during the Rudd/Gillard years and it has had some success by returning the budget to a surplus (despite the stupidity of an unfunded NDIS).

They are currently the best of what are appalling options - a situation that seems to have been arrived at by individuals entering politics for the worst of reasons.
What makes them better than the Rudd Gillard years
The stability ?
The debt levels ?
The vision for the future?
 
What makes them better than the Rudd Gillard years
The stability ?
The debt levels ?
The vision for the future?

It's progress that we have agreed that the benchmark for worst post war government is the Rudd Gillard years.

The Turnbull years would have to be up there. His legacy will be - knifed a sitting PM who won by a landslide, did * all as PM, was sacked for the same '30 Newspoll' results that he cited to get rid of Abbott, then tried to destroy his own party.
 
It's progress that we have agreed that the benchmark for worst post war government is the Rudd Gillard years.

The Turnbull years would have to be up there. His legacy will be - knifed a sitting PM who won by a landslide, did **** all as PM, was sacked for the same '30 Newspoll' results that he cited to get rid of Abbott, then tried to destroy his own party.
KRudd & Gillard are the benchmark. Abbott/Turnbull/ScoMo have sailed safely underneath the bar, despite it being set very low indeed.

Actually, Gillard wasn't bad at all, and her legacy looks even better with the benefit of hindsight. KRudd was awful.
 
No matter what the mistakes made by Rudd and Gillard, they pale into insignificance compared to the s**t show we have had to endure since Abbott
Abbott was bad
Turnbull was pathetic
Morrison, not to be outdone, hits the bottom of the barrel and with each passing day tries to go further down
Nice revisionist history. Have heard this multiple times though from staunch Labor supporters who are trying to play down how horrid their last years in government actually were.
 

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Nice revisionist history. Have heard this multiple times though from staunch Labor supporters who are trying to play down how horrid their last years in government actually were.
And yet, unlike Bozo the Clown, they still managed to get stuff done.
 
No, it's an embarassment.

That said it is not at levels of ineptitude seen during the Rudd/Gillard years and it has had some success by returning the budget to a surplus (despite the stupidity of an unfunded NDIS).

They are currently the best of what are appalling options - a situation that seems to have been arrived at by individuals entering politics for the worst of reasons.

Yep it's worse
 
No, it's an embarassment.

That said it is not at levels of ineptitude seen during the Rudd/Gillard years and it has had some success by returning the budget to a surplus (despite the stupidity of an unfunded NDIS).

They are currently the best of what are appalling options - a situation that seems to have been arrived at by individuals entering politics for the worst of reasons.
How can you even say that?

Any objective observer can see that Shorten has not put a foot wrong in five years.

The government, on the other hand, long ago ran out of feet in which to shoot itself.

You don't have to like Shorten. He's hardly set me on fire.

But neither do you have to be a rabid rusted-on Laborite to see that currently in Australia, we only have one major party capable of running a government.
 
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I can’t believe there are still people clinging to the idea that Abbott wasn’t a bad Prime Minister. The only thing he was good for was lols.
He was the most effective opposition leader,but not in any way for Australias best long or short term interests, just to wreck and lie his way into power.
 
How can you even say that?

Any objective observer can see that Shorten has not put a foot wrong in five years.

The government, on the other hand, long ago ran out of feet in which to shoot itself.

You don't have to like Shorten. He's hardly set me on fire.

But neither do you have to be a rabid rusted-on Laborite to see that currently in Australia, we only have one major party capable of running a government.
Straight up troll
 
Despite his landslide victory, these days it's hard to find anyone who thought Abbott was any good. History has been firmly rewritten by those who were conned by him.

" credlinism "
 
He was the most effective opposition leader,but not in any way for Australias best long or short term interests, just to wreck and lie his way into power.
It's the Peter Principle. People will be promoted to their level of incompetence.

He was perhaps our best opposition leader ever, and shortly after, one of our worst PMs ever.

If he had been any good as PM, he would have lasted long enough to be further promoted (ie re-elected).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
 
Interesting because one of the solutions commonly proposed to the Peter principle is that people who haven't been promoted for a certain length of time should be removed or demoted. Politics provides for this by making people face re-election.
 
It's the Peter Principle. People will be promoted to their level of incompetence.

He was perhaps our best opposition leader ever, and shortly after, one of our worst PMs ever.

If he had been any good as PM, he would have lasted long enough to be further promoted (ie re-elected).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
NO IT'S ALL THAT " LEFTY " MALS FAULT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! * stamps foot *
 
Malcolm the Great Dissapointment.

Gets zero support from the conservative faction in his party, so can’t implement policies & vision he and the moderates have for fear of getting knifed, then gets rolled by the conservatives anyway. To top it off, those same conservatives now s**t can him about his Prime Ministership at every opportunity, and will no doubt blame him when they get slaughtered at the next election.
 

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