Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 7 - Trump takes full responsibility.

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pjcrows said:
Thanks for your reply.
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Is this your way of stating that I'm too FOS to be worth responding to? :p

I'm open minded and happy to take any response on board.
madmug said:
Or rely on handouts, tips, to survive.

Tips are a disgrace. You're basically obliged to pay them. It should be up to the customer if they get really great service. Not just because the worker needs a tip to survive.

Why cant they pay people properly in the USA?
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Have you been there? The service is unreal compared to here, where zero f***s are given by most wait staff. The meals are so cheap that adding the minimum 10% tip is no drama, but staff go the extra mile to try and get more than 10%. I don't know if it works out better or worse for the staff, but it's great for the consumer.
 
FireKraquora said:
Is this your way of stating that I'm too FOS to be worth responding to? :p

I'm open minded and happy to take any response on board.
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Haha, I think we're pretty much diametrically opposed on how to do things, but that's OK. Interesting that you support Medicare For All and campaign finance reform/repeal of Citizens United, and are on the fence with minimum wage... they're basically the three issues that need to be addressed immediately. Perhaps we aren't that different on desired outcome, only ideology?

Appreciate the debate, and I'm sure it'll continue.
 

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FireKraquora said:
Is this your way of stating that I'm too FOS to be worth responding to? :p

I'm open minded and happy to take any response on board.

Have you been there? The service is unreal compared to here, where zero f***s are given by most wait staff. The meals are so cheap that adding the minimum 10% tip is no drama, but staff go the extra mile to try and get more than 10%. I don't know if it works out better or worse for the staff, but it's great for the consumer.
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Not in the socialism City of Denver is it cheap
 
FireKraquora said:
There are too many useless degrees out there and too many grads not getting jobs in the field they studied. This would get significantly worse with free college, as people do not appreciate or value things given to them for free. I'm happy for cheap loans to be provided like here, but not for studies without decent proven outcomes for employment. If the state are going to invest in one's education, they need to see a return on said investment.
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Just on this one point, you'd still have to earn your degree even if the opportunity is provided for you to be able to do it without paying for it, plus you'd still have to earn your place. And the economics subject I did a few years ago had education as something a government always received a long-term return on. Maybe that doesn't hold true anymore, I don't know.
 
its free real estate said:
If he couldn't beat Lyin' Ted there I don't know how he beats Trump.
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He got within 2.5% in an internal senate race. He’d have a fair chance of carrying the state in a presidential election.
 

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happy_eagle said:
One thing I will say on the tips thing (having lived in the states for a brief time) is that the service you get as a result is significantly greater than you get over here.
Doesn't nessecerily make it right
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I don't even know about that. The service here is pretty good imo. I've had both good and bad service over there. Only real difference I noticed was over there the servers would tell you their names.
 
FireKraquora said:
Just off the top of my head, dissolving ICE is an obscene suggestion, as well as 70% income tax. I think free college is nuts too (although I agree with free health). Do you agree with these things? I'm sure with five min of research I could find another 10.

Pump the brakes with the hysterical ad hom there, m8. The wall would prove that he gets results, and keeps promises. Look at Dan Andrews supporters being proud of him for "keeping his promise" by paying a billion dollars to not build a road. No one cared that he promised that he would do it for free, just as no one cares that Trump said Mexico would pay.

He would be able to use stats showing lower levels of illegal immigration, less crime etc to convince people that the wall is working (surely we all realise by now that stats can be cherry picked to "prove" anything).
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She isn't proposing a 70% income tax
 
FireKraquora said:
Tax the rich at 70% and you take away the incentive for entrepreneurship and send businesses (and hence jobs) overseas.

There are too many useless degrees out there and too many grads not getting jobs in the field they studied. This would get significantly worse with free college, as people do not appreciate or value things given to them for free. I'm happy for cheap loans to be provided like here, but not for studies without decent proven outcomes for employment. If the state are going to invest in one's education, they need to see a return on said investment.

Any reasonable person would agree with taking big money out of politics. I don't see it happening unfortunately.

Minimum wage I'm undecided on. There are pros and cons.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/panosm...and-thats-bad-news-for-cashiers/#1508dcaf2ee9

I agreed with you re Medicare m8, but it is untrue that it would save the government money. That myth doesn't pass the sniff test, and sure enough it is based on a misunderstanding of a healthcare study, explained here (along with a few other AOC howlers)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-cortezs-media-blitz/?utm_term=.e077d07b8958


Sure brah. 3rd paragraph here
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_deadly_force_in_the_United_States#Racial_patterns
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You don't really understand how Maginal Tax rates work do you?
She is not proposing to tax the rich at 70%

The US top marginal rate has been as high as 90%.....and it was during the most productive and economically expansive time in US history
 
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FireKraquora said:
Is this your way of stating that I'm too FOS to be worth responding to? :p

I'm open minded and happy to take any response on board.

Have you been there? The service is unreal compared to here, where zero f***s are given by most wait staff. The meals are so cheap that adding the minimum 10% tip is no drama, but staff go the extra mile to try and get more than 10%. I don't know if it works out better or worse for the staff, but it's great for the consumer.
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The same people you think are giving great service are spitting in your food if they found out beforehand you were giving only 10 percent tip. 20 percent is expected not 10. Clearly you havent visited the states for very long. And the great service is all fake cos thry want extra tip from you. They will contantly interupt your meal to talk to you and tell you their life story. Its so fu*** annoying. Taxi drivers dont stop talking to you when you would rather just look at your phone. I only give a decent tip if they sh** the hell up which they almost never do. Doorman will jump in front of you to talk. Its all fake.
 
Seeds said:
The same people you think are giving great service are spitting in your food if they found out beforehand you were giving only 10 percent tip. 20 percent is expected not 10. Clearly you havent visited the states for very long. And the great service is all fake cos thry want extra tip from you. They will contantly interupt your meal to talk to you and tell you their life story. Its so fu*** annoying. Taxi drivers dont stop talking to you when you would rather just look at your phone. I only give a decent tip if they sh** the hell up which they almost never do. Doorman will jump in front of you to talk. Its all fake.
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Agreed. I didn’t think service was any better in the states. Despite needing tips to survive. There’s only so much service you want when trying to enjoy a meal
 
Happy Mastenator said:
Almost all candidates will run on Medicare for all. That’s why Bernie won’t win. He shifted the field left, now there are more appealing candidates with which have similar policies, he isn’t an outlier.
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But Bernie has other Policies the other Dems won't run on, like cheaper Pharmaceuticals (most of the other Dems get donations from the Pharma Companies), Free College and Large Donation Money Out of Politics
 
Happy Mastenator said:
Almost all candidates will run on Medicare for all. That’s why Bernie won’t win. He shifted the field left, now there are more appealing candidates with which have similar policies, he isn’t an outlier.
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Like I've said, there's a difference between running on it, and having a desire to actually deliver it.
 
Seeds said:
You clearly arent cos you are disputing the downward slope of the demand curve for labour.

Ps nice how you are resorting to trump style tactics of name calling as a way of distraction.
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There are arguments for and against it. Your argument of increasing welfare instead of the minimum wage is one - has some validity but it would come from the nation's tax pool. I argue that business should pay for it. You think that a company like Walmart, who gets billions of dollars in tax loopholes every year and keeps most of it's earnings overseas, should be able to pay a 40-year-old $9 an hour? I think they're the kind of business that can handle it. Maybe make 30bn per year instead of 33bn.

And the argument that it will definitely mean job layoffs is a fading one. Businesses work out how to follow industry rules and still do very, very well. It's sort of their thing. A pizza place that needs to pay it's workers $15 an hour instead of $10 will still need people to make pizzas. It's foolish to think that labour is a business's only cost, too.

I think cost-push is also a fading argument. The market is so price sensitive now that if a business makes a noticable increase in the cost of their product then they will be priced out of the market. As I said, businesses are shrewd - they won't throw it all away because they've got to pay people a few more bucks an hour.

Is a minimum wage increase perfect? No. But something needs to happen. Wages are at their lowest in 70 years. If you're a 40-year-old who has just been laid off from their normal job because of the TPP and need to go pack groceries at Walmart you should not be living in or near poverty. If that's just "the system, and economists know it" then the system is cooked.

To conclude, fairly paid people are more fulfilled, happier, more productive and contribute back to the economy.

Regarding the name calling - whatever.
 
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