Coach Chris Scott re-signs to 2022 (aka the Chris Scott discussion Part IV)

[Spazz Cat]

But that third paragraph is a case in point. They have a bunch of 30 to 32 year olds too, except they are nowhere near the quality of ours. But you seem to think our far better older players will drop, ignoring the fact that their guys (Lewis, Jones, Garlett, Hibberd) are bit players at best and already on the downslide.

Anyway, I also hope I am right and you are wrong. I have faith in our boys.

That is exactly why! Their older players aren't that good and are not that important to them.
Our most important players who we rely on are already at a very high level.
Their most important players are hitting their prime.
Also they've added May, and Lever will be back.
It doesn't always work out that way, but by rights they should do pretty well.
Would be a big letdown for them IMO if they don't.

 

[Ricketz]

We disagree about that. Dangerfield and Selwood both dropped in output last year. Dangerfield was extremely fortunate to get All Australian selection (he wasn't nominated among the MVP candidates even by Geelong players). Ablett is not ageless, and he absolutely played some great games (and I'd argue had a pretty good season overall), but he's not the same player. We also saw that with those three in the midfield together their defensive weaknesses got exposed. Hawkins definitely had a great year, but again, time does catch up with everyone. If the "two gun KPDs" are Henderson and Taylor, again, we disagree.

Regarding your last point, if you mean the acquisition of Dahlhaus and Rohan makes up for the forward line pressure (the "deficiency in the forward line"), there's not a scrap of evidence for that as yet. Thegame. They may. They also may not. Rohan is close to the competition's biggest perennial underachiever. I'll believe it when I see it.

Dangerfield ranked number one by Champion data in 2018. He had his third best season in his career. You won't ever be happy it seems. Lucky my foot.

Selwood had around his fourth or fifth best in a stellar career, and significantly improved on 2017, so I am not sure who you were watching.

Ablett is not the same player? What does that even mean? As the AA Brownlow medalist pre shoulder injury Ablett. You are criticising and comparing him to himself, which is both unfair and a freudian admission he is still a gun.

I am not even going to address the Taylor/Hendo comments. We have had what has been universally accepted as one of the best defensive groups for the better part of ten years. People shitting on the older guys now are doing so on the back of injury plagued seasons - swooping like vultures on carrion. It's disgraceful, to be honest.

Dalhouse and Rohan will definitely address our forwardline defensive issues. You haven't seen them play if you think they will bring no improvement.

Nonetheless, you have avoided the initial question, falling back on what you know best - downplaying our guys. Its like some pathological tall poppy syndrome. Why are Melbourne so much better than us?

 

[Partridge]

Dangerfield ranked number one by Champion data in 2018. He had his third best season in his career. You won't ever be happy it seems. Lucky my foot.

Selwood had around his fourth or fifth best in a stellar career, and significantly improved on 2017, so I am not sure who you were watching.

Ablett is not the same player? What does that even mean? As the AA Brownlow medalist pre shoulder injury Ablett. You are criticising and comparing him to himself, which is both unfair and a freudian admission he is still a gun.

I am not even going to address the Taylor/Hendo comments. We have had what has been universally accepted as one of the best defensive groups for the better part of ten years. People shitting on the older guys now are doing so on the back of injury plagued seasons - swooping like vultures on carrion. It's disgraceful, to be honest.

Dalhouse and Rohan will definitely address our forwardline defensive issues. You haven't seen them play if you think they will bring no improvement.

Nonetheless, you have avoided the initial question, falling back on what you know best - downplaying our guys. Its like some pathological tall poppy syndrome. Why are Melbourne so much better than us?

1. Because they finished higher on the ladder.
2. Because they won two finals (and we won zero).
3. This is subjective - because I believe they have a more talented group.

 

[you pick one]

The worst one was the 2016 prelim vs Sydney.

Sydney kicked 7.2 - 0.5

In a big game we just capitulated its frustrating because the rest of the game was relatively even on the scoreboard. Even had chances in 3rd to close the margin just too far back too much needs to go right.

You can blame the players not being prepared etc. Although the records after the bye first quarters of finals. Significant losing record in finals means the coaching panel just has a lot of work to do.

2017 prelim

Adelaide 6.3 geelong 1.2 another first quarter game over.

Nobody wins a game in the first but you can lose a game. Both years probably didnt have superior squads although we definately had squads that should of been highly competitive and much closer not just blown out.

That's the frustration for mine I believe chris scott can coach but the flipside is the record and lack of preparation or players lack of preparation that just drives me crazy.

Post the Melbourne final 2018 Scott said he was happy with the preparation when talking about the Cats poor performances in big games and blamed it on players Choosing not to work hard enough.
Still a coaching issue though.

 

[Ricketz]

That is exactly why! Their older players aren't that good and are not that important to them.
Our most important players who we rely on are already at a very high level.
Their most important players are hitting their prime.
Also they've added May, and Lever will be back.
It doesn't always work out that way, but by rights they should do pretty well.
Would be a big letdown for them IMO if they don't.

Jones and Lewis are still required in their midfield. Apart from Garlett (11), they all played more than 21 games each - so no, they are still very much required. Lewis was chastised for his output. They are bit players because they cannot be more, not because they are not needed to be more.

By the same logic I could say our bottom size are irrelevant because they are bit players. The truth is, the old Melbourne guys are playing because there is noone to take their spots, not because they are playing some sort of support/mentor role. Same as ours, except ours are playing like 28 year olds.

You say their most important players are hitting their prime. We have Tuohy, Blicavs, Stewart, Duncan, Kelly, Hendo, Dangerfield, Stanley, Menegola, Dalhouse, Bews and Kelly IN their prime.

I would take that core over Melbourne's any day. That is a great group of skilled, proven players.

I think you have drunk the Koolaid regarding Lever. He had one decent year as third tall. Henry has already gone past him based on Lever's output pre knee last year. And now he has to come back from a reco. He needs to prove himself, he is no certainty to improve their defence. And to say he was adjusting to a new side doesn't cut it, all of Henry, Blicavs and Stewart have had far steeper learning curves over the last season.

May is a good acquisition, but Blicavs is better. And we have Taylor, Hendo and Kolo still to choose from. It isn't even close, our backline is far stronger than theirs.

Why, when you can see so much positive in our side, do you invest so much in other sides instead?

 

[Ricketz]

1. Because they finished higher on the ladder.
2. Because they won two finals (and we won zero).
3. This is subjective - because I believe they have a more talented group.

Oh dear. So you are acting out after swallowing bitter pills, like a petulant kid.

If only football were as simple as you want it to be.

None of that has any relevance to 2019.

 

[Catman]

why do people who love us losing finals exaggerate so much?

Says the person who says we have the worst under-26 players in the league.

Pots, kettles, all that.

 

[Nickoo]

Jones and Lewis are still required in their midfield. Apart from Garlett (11), they all played more than 21 games each - so no, they are still very much required. Lewis was chastised for his output. They are bit players because they cannot be more, not because they are not needed to be more.

By the same logic I could say our bottom size are irrelevant because they are bit players. The truth is, the old Melbourne guys are playing because there is noone to take their spots, not because they are playing some sort of support/mentor role. Same as ours, except ours are playing like 28 year olds.

You say their most important players are hitting their prime. We have Tuohy, Blicavs, Stewart, Duncan, Kelly, Hendo, Dangerfield, Stanley, Menegola, Dalhouse, Bews and Kelly IN their prime.

I would take that core over Melbourne's any day. That is a great group of skilled, proven players.

I think you have drunk the Koolaid regarding Lever. He had one decent year as third tall. Henry has already gone past him based on Lever's output pre knee last year. And now he has to come back from a reco. He needs to prove himself, he is no certainty to improve their defence. And to say he was adjusting to a new side doesn't cut it, all of Henry, Blicavs and Stewart have had far steeper learning curves over the last season.

May is a good acquisition, but Blicavs is better. And we have Taylor, Hendo and Kolo still to choose from. It isn't even close, our backline is far stronger than theirs.

Why, when you can see so much positive in our side, do you invest so much in other sides instead?

We have the players but not the game style. So thus its the coach.


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[OddYears]

Jones and Lewis are still required in their midfield. Apart from Garlett (11), they all played more than 21 games each - so no, they are still very much required. Lewis was chastised for his output. They are bit players because they cannot be more, not because they are not needed to be more.

By the same logic I could say our bottom size are irrelevant because they are bit players. The truth is, the old Melbourne guys are playing because there is noone to take their spots, not because they are playing some sort of support/mentor role. Same as ours, except ours are playing like 28 year olds.

You say their most important players are hitting their prime. We have Tuohy, Blicavs, Stewart, Duncan, Kelly, Hendo, Dangerfield, Stanley, Menegola, Dalhouse, Bews and Kelly IN their prime.

I would take that core over Melbourne's any day. That is a great group of skilled, proven players.

I think you have drunk the Koolaid regarding Lever. He had one decent year as third tall. Henry has already gone past him based on Lever's output pre knee last year. And now he has to come back from a reco. He needs to prove himself, he is no certainty to improve their defence. And to say he was adjusting to a new side doesn't cut it, all of Henry, Blicavs and Stewart have had far steeper learning curves over the last season.

May is a good acquisition, but Blicavs is better. And we have Taylor, Hendo and Kolo still to choose from. It isn't even close, our backline is far stronger than theirs.

Why, when you can see so much positive in our side, do you invest so much in other sides instead?

You can compare the lists all you want and I actually think on paper, right now, Geelong's is better but Melbourne have something we don't. Cohesion. They work for each other where our guys work for themselves. Just watch their midfield compared to ours.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Why? What about their list shows they have more improvement in them than ours?

I mean, our first and second year players who stepped up last year were arguably far better than Melbourne's youth. Henry, Parfitt, Stewart, Kelly all had great seasons.

Danger and Selwood won't drop out put, Ablett is proving ageless, as is Hawkins. We have two gun KPDs who are fighting for a spot and our biggest deficiency in the forward line has been addressed.

Melbourne have a very similar list profile. It just astounds me that people here would prefer to see the light in their list, while damning ours for being practically the same. If anything, ours is more balanced around the 25 to 30 yo bracket.

Our biggest deficiency in the forward line is that we only have one decent forward and 6 spots to fill.
How has this been addressed?

 

[Max Milburn]

Says the person who says we have the worst under-26 players in the league.

Pots, kettles, all that.

Of course, saying that people love to lose finals isn't exaggerating at all.

 

[Ricketz]

We have the players but not the game style. So thus its the coach.


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Let me state, I think our game plan is too defensive, but...

Something related to coaching has something to do with our poor starts, but I don't think our game plan is the total cause. There is something psychological going on, and that is a coaching issue.

 

[Ricketz]

You can compare the lists all you want and I actually think on paper, right now, Geelong's is better but Melbourne have something we don't. Cohesion. They work for each other where our guys work for themselves. Just watch their midfield compared to ours.

They didn't work real well for each other in their loss in the finals. Nobody showed any will for the contest. At least our blokes dug in after quarter time. So I think you are wrong about that too, they are clear flat track bullies who fall apart when they get behind.

 

[cynical]

Says the person who says we have the worst under-26 players in the league.

Pots, kettles, all that.

the truth isn't an exaggeration, at best its bottom 4 which still isn't an exaggeration

once again proven right

 

[OddYears]

They didn't work real well for each other in their loss in the finals. Nobody showed any will for the contest. At least our blokes dug in after quarter time. So I think you are wrong about that too, they are clear flat track bullies who fall apart when they get behind.

Do you rate any team higher than the cats right now?

 

[you pick one]

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Oh dear. So you are acting out after swallowing bitter pills, like a petulant kid.

If only football were as simple as you want it to be.

None of that has any relevance to 2019.

Partridge is on the money,Melbourne were better than us in every facet of the game in September,not me saying that it was Chris Scott,he also stated that through the year he thought Melbourne were the second best team in the Comp,I doubt he thought Geelong were the best.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Jones and Lewis are still required in their midfield. Apart from Garlett (11), they all played more than 21 games each - so no, they are still very much required. Lewis was chastised for his output. They are bit players because they cannot be more, not because they are not needed to be more.

By the same logic I could say our bottom size are irrelevant because they are bit players. The truth is, the old Melbourne guys are playing because there is noone to take their spots, not because they are playing some sort of support/mentor role. Same as ours, except ours are playing like 28 year olds.

You say their most important players are hitting their prime. We have Tuohy, Blicavs, Stewart, Duncan, Kelly, Hendo, Dangerfield, Stanley, Menegola, Dalhouse, Bews and Kelly IN their prime.

I would take that core over Melbourne's any day. That is a great group of skilled, proven players.

I think you have drunk the Koolaid regarding Lever. He had one decent year as third tall. Henry has already gone past him based on Lever's output pre knee last year. And now he has to come back from a reco. He needs to prove himself, he is no certainty to improve their defence. And to say he was adjusting to a new side doesn't cut it, all of Henry, Blicavs and Stewart have had far steeper learning curves over the last season.

May is a good acquisition, but Blicavs is better. And we have Taylor, Hendo and Kolo still to choose from. It isn't even close, our backline is far stronger than theirs.

Why, when you can see so much positive in our side, do you invest so much in other sides instead?

I couldn't really give a shit about Melbourne or any other side TBH. I have nothing invested.
Just my opinion that the expectations should be (and are) for them to do better than us this year and for the next couple.
It's just realistic.

 

[you pick one]

Our biggest deficiency in the forward line is that we only have one decent forward and 6 spots to fill.
How has this been addressed?

Murdoch is gone

 

[Ricketz]

Do you rate any team higher than the cats right now?

Not really. I have stated before that most lists are incredibly average at the moment, and all of them have deficiencies. That is how we have had three unrated teams win flags in the last three years. There is no gulf between the top and 12th imo.

But reading opinions like yours, you would think we didn't have one of the best defensive records and percentages in the comp, that we didn't seriously challenge the premiers at their home ground playing two men down, that we didn't beat all of GWS, Sydney, Melbourne and Collingwood. That we are streets behind the front runners.

It simply isn't true.

 

[Partridge]

Oh dear. So you are acting out after swallowing bitter pills, like a petulant kid.

If only football were as simple as you want it to be.

None of that has any relevance to 2019.

Neither does pretending our most recent finals loss doesn't matter.

There's nothing bitter about admitting other teams are better. It's pretty easy if you face reality.

 

[Ricketz]

I couldn't really give a shit about Melbourne or any other side TBH. I have nothing invested.
Just my opinion that the expectations should be (and are) for them to do better than us this year and for the next couple.
It's just realistic.

Saying it is just realistic doesn't make it realistic.

My point being, if you guys want to sing the praises of other clubs before our own, either back it up with evidence or take it to the appropriate club forums.

No supporter wants to hear from people who shit on our prospects while artificially inflating other clubs.

 

[Ricketz]

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Neither does pretending our most recent finals loss doesn't matter.

There's nothing bitter about admitting other teams are better. It's pretty easy if you face reality.

It's not reality. That is the point. And you will see it this year.

I fully expect, with your form, to come to the full defense of Melbourne when they collapse in finals again, and to downplay any success we have.

 

[Ricketz]

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Partridge is on the money,Melbourne were better than us in every facet of the game in September,not me saying that it was Chris Scott,he also stated that through the year he thought Melbourne were the second best team in the Comp,I doubt he thought Geelong were the best.

One game they were better than us for one quarter. So you write off the whole season. It's not a great dataset, especially when you consider we couldn't have played worse, yet they proved they could play a lot worse than us two weeks later.

Chris Scott definitely thought we were as capable as any other team in the comp. He copped shit for his faith in the Richmond press conference.

Anyway, I am sick to death of trying to convince supposed supporters that our team is not shit. It is probably time I start using the ignore function to remove irrelevant whingers whose only pleasure is denigrating the team they say they follow.

 

[you pick one]

One game they were better than us for one quarter. So you write off the whole season. It's not a great dataset, especially when you consider we couldn't have played worse, yet they proved they could play a lot worse than us two weeks later.

Chris Scott definitely thought we were as capable as any other team in the comp. He copped shit for his faith in the Richmond press conference.

Anyway, I am sick to death of trying to convince supposed supporters that our team is not shit. It is probably time I start using the ignore function to remove irrelevant whingers whose only pleasure is denigrating the team they say they follow.

I've got over 60 years up watching and following Geelong,you don't do that if you only see the negatives in your team,once you get to appreciate other sides and their journey as well the whole experience becomes more enjoyable.But if you need to put me on ignore feel free.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Saying it is just realistic doesn't make it realistic.

My point being, if you guys want to sing the praises of other clubs before our own, either back it up with evidence or take it to the appropriate club forums.

No supporter wants to hear from people who shit on our prospects while artificially inflating other clubs.

I'm not doing either, it's just my actual honest opinion of where both teams are at.
I don't like Melbourne at all, and would consider a flag from them almost as plastic as GWS with everything they've been given on and off the field.
It's not many seasons that your team is the best I the comp. It's rare.and I don't think this is one of them.
Nothing to be ashamed of or upset about