Society/Culture Christchurch Mosque mass shooting

[Geelong_Sicko]

I won't watch it.

Somehow, in all of my years on the internet, despite the intense interest, I've avoiding watching the ISIS murdering videos, the Russian hammer killings, and all of that other shit. While I'm curious, I can't bring myself to watch people be murdered - especially when people relate stories of a lady begging for help, and him executing her.

Your other point is a good one - I'd be very surprised if there weren't reprisal attacks in the near future; and this absolute piece of shit is likely going to trigger violence in NZ/Aust, when we've been fortunate enough to avoid most of it

I saw that one. It's the one that finally saw me draw up concrete borders around what I will and won't watch. That was the night I'd had too much internet.

 

[ShanDog]

There's **** all communists. And the ones that do exist are disinterested in the system.

White nationalism was a major security issue prior to 2016, and he has brought even more out. Now we have another mass shooting. This is a major problem over there, it will come out here soon, and imo adds nothing to the debate adding that calling out white nationalism polarises people.

You're not listening. At no point was my post about comparing numbers - it was about the perceptions of those groups and the political actors/parties they endorse being incorrect. I've also quite clearly clarified the issue I brought up, which is conflating conservative viewpoints with responsibility for the attack. It's that straightforward.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I've also quite clearly clarified the issue I brought up, which is conflating conservative viewpoints with responsibility for the attack. It's that straightforward.

Where have you seen this?

 

[FredLeDeux]

The only way you can stop these kind of attacks are strict gun laws. No coincidence that the safest countries in the developed world has the strictest weapon laws

The ideological issues will never be fixed. There is no way to stop "Islamphobia", one of the main driving forces of the opposition to Muslims in "their country" are Christians and Christians endorsed politicians. As long as you allow the notion of "freedom" of religion, you will have to put up with these religions opposing each other. Religions are born to fight each other. If Muslims are the majority in these countries and Christians are the immigrating ones, the outcome would still be the same

Racism will also never stop happening, there will always be an element of society that will be racist. The only way you can prevent these people from doing harm is to stop them having easy access to destructive weapons

Weren't the car/s also loaded up with IEDs?

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

No mate,I wasn't calling you anything,it's a general statement that I call out bigotry when I see it .That's what a real man does.I'll be staying on the thread to counter the far right types on this thread.

I've actually cringed reading your posts in this thread and you're coming across as being unstable. I hope for your sake you've merely had a few too many.

Enjoy.

 

[Taylor]

The line is set via social construction, not some biological reality.

This is pseudo-scientific rubbish that denies the differences that actually exist in human kind across the genetic landscape of the planet.

Otherwise there wouldn't be certain racial groups at higher risk of developing certain and specific medical conditions.

Denying the reality doesn't bring us closer. We are different and that doesn't reduce the value of any.

 

[Cooldude]

Weren't the car/s also loaded up with IEDs?

If they only had cars loaded with explosives than far fewer if any people would've died at all since they never went off

Giving them readymade firearms make it far easier for these people to shoot up a storm

I blame America and their inaction on their own mass shootings tbh, copycats are bound to keep popping up, not just in the US but all over the world. Crazies speak to crazies

 

[Malifice]

This is pseudo-scientific rubbish that denies the differences that actually exist in human kind across the genetic landscape of the planet.

No it's not. The accepted science is that 'race' is a social construct and it holds no taxonomic meaning in science.

That might make you sad, but its the accepted science.

Or maybe Taylor on bigfooty knows more than science. Not quite sure.

 

[Taylor]

No it's not. The accepted science is that 'race' is a social construct and it holds no taxonomic meaning in science.

That might make you sad, but its the accepted science.

Or maybe Taylor on bigfooty knows more than science. Not quite sure.

Those particular and specific medical conditions unique/much higher incidence to particular races of human must be cultural then.

It's not. Humans are genetically diverse and different, not drastically but we absolutely are.

It doesn't suit the "everyone is identical" ideology, sorry. It also doesn't diminish the value of anyone.

 

[Malifice]

Those particular and specific medical conditions unique/much higher incidence to particular races of human must be cultural then.

It's not. Humans are genetically diverse and different, not drastically but we absolutely are.

It doesn't suit the "everyone is identical" ideology, sorry. It also doesn't diminish the value of anyone.

No, that's not science.

Try again. Go away and Google 'race' 'science' and 'homo sapiens' before you pander factually incorrect shit like 'biological race is accepted science'.

It isn't. Biologists, geneticists and anthropologists are largely in near universal agreement that it's a social construct.

 

[FredLeDeux]

If they only had cars loaded with explosives than far fewer if any people would've died at all since they never went off

Giving them readymade firearms make it far easier for these people to shoot up a storm

I blame America and their inaction on their own mass shootings tbh, copycats are bound to keep popping up, not just in the US but all over the world. Crazies speak to crazies

I read that the police found and disarmed them before they were set off.

Incidentally, I'm not disputing your suggestion that this type of attack will be much harder to run with decent gun control laws; as will much other deadly violence. They are crucial to modern societies.

I am just saying that where there is a will there is a way for terrorists, guns or no guns; witness Oklahoma and New York.

 

[Snake_Baker]

I've heard it is now illegal to share it in NZ. They do have some specific laws regarding such things.

Technically, it's a "snuff" film, so trading it would be illegal.

I doubt watching it from a server in a legal jurisdiction would be illegal, and I pewrsonally challenge the notion of banning it from circulation. Let everyone see the madness that arises from perverted politics.

 

[ShanDog]

Where have you seen this?

Twitter is one of the most politically-oriented platforms there is on social media, and there's and abundance of examples on there from people labelling Candace Owens responsible because she was named as a troll in the manifesto to people continuing to push the "PewDiePie is a white nationalist" narrative because of the terrorist using the meme as he started the rampage. Every conservative pundit - particularly American - who has expressed their condolences has got replies trying to blame them and/or their political POV. This is the current climate from both sides, and it's shit.

There's already articles talking about this problem and the issues with media narratives:
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/03/15/how-the-christchurch-shooter-played-the-worlds-media/

 

[Chief]

Ban yourself

Equal empowerment. Explain it.

 

[Socrates2]

I've actually cringed reading your posts in this thread and you're coming across as being unstable. I hope for your sake you've merely had a few too many.

Enjoy.

Lol, good one Cocka, no need to get nasty.The point is we live in a muticultural society now, you can't go back in time now so get used to it.Thank god for the Italians and their coffee I say as well as the other great food from other countries .Dont believe everything you read in the Murdoch news mate, they're just appealing to the lowest common denominator to sell papers.

 

[Taylor]

No, that's not science.

Try again. Go away and Google 'race' 'science' and 'homo sapiens' before you pander factually incorrect shit like 'biological race is accepted science'.

It isn't. Biologists, geneticists and anthropologists are largely in near universal agreement that it's a social construct.

I was arguing that humans are different and I'm not incorrect about that.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Society has moved on from gender issues apart from some keyboard warriors.....

Do you truly believe that you speak for "society"?

Are you even slightly aware of your megalomania?

 

[Cooldude]

I read that the police found and disarmed them before they were set off.

Incidentally, I'm not disputing your suggestion that this type of attack will be much harder to run with decent gun control laws; as will much other deadly violence. They are crucial to modern societies.

I am just saying that where there is a will there is a way for terrorists, guns or no guns; witness Oklahoma and New York.

Crazies will always do crazies, but at the very least we must try to minimize the damage they can cause and prevent them from easy access to carry out their crazy plans. If you give an assault weapon to your run of the mill crazy ranting lunatic in the CBD then he becomes a terrorist

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

This is pseudo-scientific rubbish that denies the differences that actually exist in human kind across the genetic landscape of the planet.

Otherwise there wouldn't be certain racial groups at higher risk of developing certain and specific medical conditions.

Denying the reality doesn't bring us closer. We are different and that doesn't reduce the value of any.

At a SOCIETAL level the differences are moot - that's the argument. Not at a genetic or cellular level but at a SOCIETAL level. We all live under the roof of the Earth, we break it down into different nations, states, neighbourhoods, homes, but at some point we are all sharing the one Earth.

We must co-exist.

 

[Maggie5]

It takes a real sick person to be ok with doing what that guy did. In some ways, I think anyone who self identifies as a white nationalist should be made to watch the video in detail. And the footage of witnesses and victims in the aftermath. Have a look at what this shit actually looks like - not a movie or video game. In some ways it's kinda like how I think anyone who eats meat should slaughter their own food at least once so they can appreciate where their supermarket good comes from.

Or it would just confirm. ISIS used their sick videos and recruited many via them. Don't think extremists on either side can be classified as 'normal' just sick.
The aftermath and even today seeing people lay flowers on the site was heartbreaking for me.

I haven't seen an actual slaughter but as a child we had a lamb that was then slaughtered by a neighbour and I didn't eat meat for a year.

 

[Taylor]

At a SOCIETAL level the differences are moot - that's the argument. Not at a genetic or cellular level but at a SOCIETAL level. We all live under the roof of the Earth, we break it down into different nations, states, neighbourhoods, homes, but at some point we are all sharing the one Earth.

We must co-exist.

As long as the local culture values society members the same, yes, I think all people can live together.

 

[Bomberboyokay]

And? A bunch of commies think the Greens are their party here.

The Greens don't have communist policies. President Trump has and implements far right policies.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Crazies will always do crazies, but at the very least we must try to minimize the damage they can cause and prevent them from easy access to carry out their crazy plans. If you give an assault weapon to your run of the mill crazy ranting lunatic in the CBD then he becomes a terrorist

True, but we've still had a couple of centuries of terrorist bombings across the world.

 

[Socrates2]

Do you truly believe that you speak for "society"?

Are you even slightly aware of your megalomania?

Snake you're an old man with old ideas, the kids of today have no problem tolerating all types of people.Live and let live mate.What's the big deal about transvestites and multi-sexual people, I don't give a shit what they do.Who gives a shit if you have to put a third toilet in a school ?That is unless your an intolerant 'religious' person quoting from a book written by 25 different people 2000 years ago!

 

[Socrates2]

The Greens don't have communist policies. President Trump has and implements far right policies.

I think he's saying the Lee Rhiannon types are trying to give the Greens a more social justice bent which is detracting from the core issue of climate change They call them 'watermelons'.