Crisis meeting - Hun reports

[Event Horizon]

I actually got the impression from just listening to the interview that Ben will see how this year plays out and the reassess at the end of the season.

By which time enormous damage could be done to our image, membership and brand as an organization.

 

[Ocha905]

So I'm guessing my top 4 prediction is in doubt?

 

[Snake_Baker]

By which time enormous damage could be done to our image, membership and brand as an organization.

I'd be very surprised the current output would get that far down the path. The side could improve and battle on, but I don't see how that ultimately saves Scott. He's damned if we don't turn the corner, and he's damned if we do, because he cannot get away from the fact that he came in to a season woefully unprepared..

 

[Billy Not Really]

So I'm guessing my top 4 prediction is in doubt?

Try bottom 4.

See: My assessment on the rest of the season.

Just want to illustrate what the rest of the season looks like under Brad should we not even give him the boot at the bye. For a gameplan this bad, a team this inconsistent and languishing and a draw this difficult only spells DISASTER for this club should it not act soon. Stuff the crisis meetings, its time for action in the time of crisis.

Round 6 - Friday Night at AO against Port Adelaide. Haven't won a game at AO. Facing a huge loss.
Round 7 - Marvel Stadium against the Blues. Danger game. Could be the end of the line for Scott. Potential loss.
Round 8 - Marvel Stadium against the Cats. You're kidding yourself if you think we win this on paper. Big Loss.
Round 9 - Blundstone against the Swans. Sure the record looks nice, could be a win. But how sure? Potential Win.
Round 10 - Marvel Stadium against the Dogs. Haven't looked even close to good against the Doggies lately. Potential Loss.
Round 11 - Marvel Stadium against the Tigers. Need I say more? Big loss.
Round 12 - Metricon against the Suns. Don't trust us on away games of this caliber, Suns aren't even looking bad. Not even this is a guarantee. Potential Loss.
Round 13 - Blundstone against the Giants. Giants don't tend to do well at Blundstone, but again, it's not guarantee. Potential Win.
Round 14 - BYE
Round 15 - Marvel Stadium against the Pies. No way we win this, we're in for a thrashing. Big loss.
Round 16 - Blundstone against the Saints. Not sure about the Saints in Hobart, no idea where they'll be at this point in the season. 50/50 game.
Round 17 - Marvel Stadium against the Bombers. If Good Friday was anything to go by... Loss.
Round 18 - The Gabba against the Lions. Didn't deserve to win the previous game away against them. Loss.
Round 19 - Optus Stadium against the Eagles. Simmos boys will tear us a new one away from home. Big loss.
Round 20 - Marvel Stadium against the Hawks. Clarko will out coach Scott again. Loss.
Round 21 - GMHBA against the Cats. No way we win this, we're shit at the cattery. Loss.
Round 22 - Marvel Stadium against Port Adelaide. Depends on how badly we're killed by Port this week. Potential Loss.
Round 23 - Blundstone against Melbourne. Ended their long drought against us resoundingly. Could be back in the 8 and up and about while we limp out of the season. Loss.

Without knowing how the next half of the season goes or where the margins fall let's say that most of these outcomes based on current form, current coaching, gameplan and our wins reflect against these current teams do happen. We're looking at 4-8 wins at best for this season which puts us right in the bottom 4. We're next to Suns & Carlton based on team quality, and if we lose Round 7 to Carlton that'll speak volumes about how true this will be.

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[Event Horizon]

I'd be very surprised the current output would get that far down the path. The side could improve and battle on, but I don't see how that ultimately saves Scott. He's damned if we don't turn the corner, and he's damned if we do, because he cannot get away from the fact that he came in to a season woefully unprepared..

You'd hope that to be the case, but I can still see a situation whereby we can win 8-10 games and he'd be coaching next year with a glowing report from the board as the bloke who helped "save" our season during some difficult times.

 

[Snake_Baker]

You'd hope that to be the case, but I can still see a situation whereby we can win 8-10 games and he'd be coaching next year with a glowing report from the board as the bloke who helped "save" our season during some difficult times.

He can't get away from the first abysmal 5 weeks mate.

Not with a side that finished with 12 wins the previous year and then topped up with ready to go players.

He also can't get away with citing the new rules, he was pivotal in creating the things.

 

[mighty mick]

He can't get away from the first abysmal 5 weeks mate.

Not with a side that finished with 12 wins the previous year and then topped up with ready to go players.

He also can't get away with citing the new rules, he was pivotal in creating the things.

The new rules was the deal breaker for me,

1. you are considered highly enough to be part of the new rules, maybe hes a scapegoat if they fail.

2. Then he cant figure out how important ruck contests and centre clearances are to this new method of play.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

I only posted on this thread as I think the wrong entities are being targeted over the performance shambles.

I don't know more than the average supporter about The Huddle, other than what I thought was common knowledge about it being essentially separate from club operations and being largely funded by the Scanlon Foundation (I believe there is an element of government co-funding).

The real issue is that we have a well-funded football department and the members of that department have collectively failed on a large scale. There is no disputing that we have been the victim of poor recruiting in the past, but I would suggest that this has little impact on our present situation, as we have a capable list (though the 50-100 games cohort is a horror story). So, a cross for the recruiters but the past can't be changed.

What can be changed is the inability to benefit from the real strengths of our players, with a seemingly disproportionate focus on making them all similar cogs in a machine. Unfortunately, the machine has been ill-conceived and poorly constructed so even if the cogs all modified their own behaviour, we're not going to be successful.

This falls squarely on the coach, and his merry band of long-term assistants. We heralded the recruitment of Leigh Tudor, but there is now a few years of empirical data that suggests he's either no good or he's unable to have any influence on performance. Gavin Brown was a good footballer, but really, WTF has he achieved since he's been there? (I give Rhyce Shaw a tick, though, as I also subscribe to the view that the backline has been very good since round 1, in the circumstances - I suspect he would select some different players, too ...)

The coach is clearly the problem, as he consistently makes poor choices both at the selection table, with positional allocation, and more than everything, with a putrid, ineffective game style, totally unsuited to 2019, and abysmal player development. After a decade (I like Grogg's references to round 225), he's had more than enough time to show he learns from previous errors, but has failed. Comprehensively.

The solution is to manage a dignified exit for Brad - allow him to fall on his sword and retain respect of the football world by acknowledging he is no longer the man for the job and therefore a mutual contract release has been agreed.

 

[arden station]

I actually felt that he spoke quite well and answered the questions as diplomatically as he could. I believe they know there’s an issue. They’re not stupid.

Agree - he again deflected when asked if Scott's future was guaranteed which is exactly what a president who wants to keep the option open of sacking a coach should do. But he's also got sights zoomed in on player development.

 

[mighty mick]

i dont understand why the huddle has been bought into the conversation about oour club on field. We are not the only club to run community based programs and it is one of the best, have not heard of it linked to funding to the football club. my passion is for whats been going on the field for longer than just the five rounds of this year and the ease brad seems to write off losses in pressers as well as the decline in the onfield player performances by our leaders, JZ being one of the best examples here.

 

[Dodecahedron]

It's Scanlon's multicultural vessel.

I was at The Huddle today. There was a group of Caucasian 17 year old males using the room for a class. Because we are demographically situated near areas with many migrants, this mix is the major user of the facilities.

I took my 4th class of International students there today. They bought merchandise and many past students still come to games. Unfortunately some came to the Good Friday match and gave me a series of “please explain why we are so shit” questions.

Am fairly confident we don't put money into the Huddle.

The host today said The Huddle was a separate entity from the NMFC.

 

[Marstermind]

I actually felt that he spoke quite well and answered the questions as diplomatically as he could. I believe they know there’s an issue. They’re not stupid.

I agree. He probably used the word "competitive" more than a dozen times which some may see as setting the bar too low. But I guess we've won 4 quarters out of 20 so far this year. Just being competitive has been a bridge too far so far this year.

 

[tazaa]

There are 2 non-negotiables for footballers who run out in the jumper that they must uphold. Regardless of ladder position, opponent and venue - from the opening bounce we must play a tough uncompromising brand of footy fitting of the past legends who represented this club.
When playing *, regardless if it was in a Grand Final or a practice match in February in Coffs Harbour - its is a ****ing non-negotiable to win. Nothing less. Considering the white flag performance we displayed last week it really has left us all with this rather sour taste as if they ask ourselves, ''if we cant get up for * on GF then why are we even here?''

 

[Gasometer]

...21 pages, what did I miss?

 

[Hearts to hearts]

I'd love for things to turn around, but not under Brad. I spent another 3 years being patient with him and its now resulting into a second, more prolonged rebuild looming before an eventual bottoming out, meanwhile we're sold another bullshit line of messaging for 2020 and we under-deliver yet again, the competition has already moved on with new coaches, any worthwhile new coaches like Ratten & Mitchell will be taken as we find ourselves alone on the dance floor yet again as we let another 10 years slip by worried about how profitable we are and not how successful we are as we fade out into further irrelevancy and club culture dying.

I’m curious who you think we are competing with for senior coaches - * has solved all their issues in three weeks, Carlton in one, and surely neither Western nor Melbourne will move their coaches on yet.

 

[rickety]

...21 pages, what did I miss?

 

[Gasometer]

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Great book

 

[Billy Not Really]

I’m curious who you think we are competing with for senior coaches - * has solved all their issues in three weeks, Carlton in one, and surely neither Western nor Melbourne will move their coaches on yet.

• Clarkos tenure is up at any point soon, I just feel he's ready to move on. They'll look to transition Hodge + Mitchell in ASAP. Get the jump on the competition early.
• Sydneys looking for an excuse to get rid of Longmire in the next few years.
• Pykes under the pump alot lately.
• Bolton could be ousted at any point if Carlton still dish up crap. 1 win won't save them, club is probably looking for +4 wins
• Kochie puts Ken Hinkley on the blowtorch just about every year to deliver so who knows when his time is up.
• Alan Richardson almost got the boot last year.

Theres alot of coaches who aren't in comfortable positions I would say, the only ones who have retained their jobs only because of recent success is Buckley, Simmo, Dew, Goodwin, Woosha, Cameron, Dimma, Bevo, Fagan (Bev & Fagan are rebuilding)

 

[FlyHigh18]

So I'm guessing my top 4 prediction is in doubt?

Win the next two games and we’ll most likely be in the 8.

Such is klusterf*** this season has become.

 

[Forever North]

Of course we're all pissed off and angry about how we've started this season. We invest a lot of emotional energy in our club and hate it when things go sour. I can't recall the last time we've played this many rubbish games. We're normally at least competitive and usuallly bounce back after a few bad results. This time it kind of feels different. I'm no expert but wtf did the team do during 5 months of pre season. We look slow, unfit, lack teamwork, are poorly coached, unmotivated and most crucially our skills are completely crap. 5 months to get ready and we've looked so shit. Its not normal, something might actually be up behind the scenes. Has the coach lost the players? Is his message not getting through anymore? Maybe. The responsibility ultimately rests with the footy dept and coaches. For me if we keep spiralling into this black hole then Scott must do the honourable thing and put the interests of the club first. He's had 10 years, more than enough time and chances to create a top 4 team so he hasn't the benefit of being a rookie coach and learning on the run anymore. Mediocrity and complacency is becoming ingrained with some players. Way to comfortable for them. They need some sort of shake up. Hopefully the board feel the same way and don't get influenced by 'outside forces' if tough decisions need to be made.

 

[Smoocher]

...21 pages, what did I miss?

Laura Kane former lawyer Head of football.




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[Snake_Baker]

The new rules was the deal breaker for me,

1. you are considered highly enough to be part of the new rules, maybe hes a scapegoat if they fail.

2. Then he cant figure out how important ruck contests and centre clearances are to this new method of play.

It's abominable and representative of the current club culture.

Could you imagine Clarkson being on some AFL rules committee and rejigging them in a way that was detrimental to Hawthorn because he wanted to good bloke himself with head office? Nice integrity Brad, take it with you when you pack up and leave.

 

[Gasometer]

Of course we're all pissed off and angry about how we've started this season. We invest a lot of emotional energy in our club and hate it when things go sour. I can't recall the last time we've played this many rubbish games. We're normally at least competitive and usuallly bounce back after a few bad results. This time it kind of feels different. I'm no expert but wtf did the team do during 5 months of pre season. We look slow, unfit, lack teamwork, are poorly coached, unmotivated and most crucially our skills are completely crap. 5 months to get ready and we've looked so shit. Its not normal, something might actually be up behind the scenes. Has the coach lost the players? Is his message not getting through anymore? Maybe. The responsibility ultimately rests with the footy dept and coaches. For me if we keep spiralling into this black hole then Scott must do the honourable thing and put the interests of the club first. He's had 10 years, more than enough time and chances to create a top 4 team so he hasn't the benefit of being a rookie coach and learning on the run anymore. Mediocrity and complacency is becoming ingrained with some players. Way to comfortable for them. They need some sort of shake up. Hopefully the board feel the same way and don't get influenced by 'outside forces' if tough decisions need to be made.

My eyes hurt but yeh what FN said ^

 

[Gasometer]

Laura Kane former lawyer Head of football.




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Does she run the Huddle

 

[Supreme_Chancellor]

Perhaps if the club was less

Guys let’s chill with the internal arguments. We all want the club to be successful both on and off field. I am with Snake in that I don’t believe the key driver for the club should be anything other than onfield success however I also understand that as a small club anything we can do to broaden the supporter base through social initiatives is a positive.

None of this stuff we are fighting about impacts Mason missing from 20m, Taylor having paper thin hamstrings, JZ being unfit and no one wanting to lay a tackle other than Jed. If Mason is missing shots on goals because he is spending more time with The Huddle then training I agree we have gone to far. The reality is Mason and others are spending more time playing fortnite and hitting up girls on insta than helping with refugees and other social initiatives.

Guys let’s chill with the internal arguments. We all want the club to be successful both on and off field. I am with Snake in that I don’t believe the key driver for the club should be anything other than onfield success however I also understand that as a small club anything we can do to broaden the supporter base through social initiatives is a positive.

None of this stuff we are fighting about impacts Mason missing from 20m, Taylor having paper thin hamstrings, JZ being unfit and no one wanting to lay a tackle other than Jed. If Mason is missing shots on goals because he is spending more time with The Huddle then training I agree we have gone to far. The reality is Mason and others are spending more time playing fortnite and hitting up girls on insta than helping with refugees and other social initiatives.

Apex Legends, get it right lol