Changes: Round 8 Vs Richmond

[FreoRicci]

Yeah he'd probably go alright as a 2nd ruckman. I just don't think he's better than Tabs/Hogan at the forward part so you aren't really gaining much if you play him there and drop one of those two.

Lobb is shocking contesting for a mark. Relying on him to grab 8+ marks. Yeah right. Be stupid to drop Tabs and play Lobb as second ruck. McCarthy goes out first, not when we have a just as talented third firsts in Cox.

 

[MadMundy]

Oh please God don't bring Cox in, he's done **** all in the WAFL and hasn't done anything worthy of a call up. If you wanna drop McCarthy you bring in Darcy who's actually doing ok for Peel. Move Lobb down forward and role with him, Hogan and Tabs as the talls.

IN: Darcy, Blakely
OUT: McCarthy, Colyer

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

This is kind of why I wasnt that keen on Lobb in the first place.

I think Darcy is a better ruck and the others are all better forwards. He's a bits a pieces player whose best role is as a thirdish tall that gives a very handy chop out in the ruck and around the ground.

Given we were picking up Hogan at the same time and the ability Cox and already shown, this situation was likely always going to happen where we are almost keeping Lobb in for the sake of it.

 

[Freeeoo]

In: Blakeley
Out: Cam

 

[Steinfreo]

This is kind of why I wasnt that keen on Lobb in the first place.

I think Darcy is a better ruck and the others are all better forwards. He's a bits a pieces player whose best role is as a thirdish tall that gives a very handy chop out in the ruck and around the ground.

Given we were picking up Hogan at the same time and the ability Cox and already shown, this situation was likely always going to happen where we are almost keeping Lobb in for the sake of it.

Lobb makes sense if Darcy fires this year, hes a good back up that can take a grab and run around. The problem with Lobb is Darcy isnt firing.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Lobb makes sense if Darcy fires this year, hes a good back up that can take a grab and run around. The problem with Lobb is Darcy isnt firing.

Do you think Lobb is a better forward than Cox, Taberner and Hogan?

Do you think a fowardline of Taberner, Lobb and Hogan would work?

We start robbing Peter to pay Paul by jamming him in the forwardline when its detrimental.

I was of the opinion before the trade that you couldnt fit Taberner and Lobb in the same fowardline at any stage since they are too immobile (though good for their size). Once the ball hits the ground they are both almost a liability. Cox and Hogan are actually quite good with ground ball and Cox at least lays a tackle or two which is more than I can say for the others

 

[blue shark]

This is kind of why I wasnt that keen on Lobb in the first place.

I think Darcy is a better ruck and the others are all better forwards. He's a bits a pieces player whose best role is as a thirdish tall that gives a very handy chop out in the ruck and around the ground.

Given we were picking up Hogan at the same time and the ability Cox and already shown, this situation was likely always going to happen where we are almost keeping Lobb in for the sake of it.

Lobb may have been an insurance for Hogan's perceived issues? Maybe we would get better service with Tabs at FF and Jessie roaming the
arc?
Tabs can still multiple leads closer to goal, I would use Cox 3rd forward rotating with Lobb, think McCarthy, Darcy would benefit at
Peel until knocking the door down.
Better balance with Cox in the team, and he is a genuine contested mark, the ball coming in on the weekend was bomb in hope.
Only SHill, Cerra, midfield will fix that.

 

[Wizard]

Lobb may have been an insurance for Hogan's perceived issues? Maybe we would get better service with Tabs at FF and Jessie roaming the
arc?
Tabs can still multiple leads closer to goal, I would use Cox 3rd forward rotating with Lobb, think McCarthy, Darcy would benefit at
Peel until knocking the door down.
Better balance with Cox in the team, and he is a genuine contested mark, the ball coming in on the weekend was bomb in hope.
Only SHill, Cerra, midfield will fix that.

Again, does it concern anyone at all that between Hogan, Cox, Lobb and Tabs none of them can kick?

 

[Belnakor]

One thing i don't like about Andy is that he occasionally bites off more then he can chew by foot.

Once yesterday (and he has done it a few times recently) he has come in board by foot and tried to pin point a pass but given the lack of penetration / power in his kicking given it back and cost us the other way.

while it does annoy me when he does stuff like that, i like that he has the confidence to do it. His kicking has improved from last season where pretty much every possession he had he just threw it on the boot.

 

[Belnakor]

Cerra - By no means am i advocating dropping him but i thought we seen yesterday why he isn't playing big midfield minutes. He doesn't have the tank to play full time in the midfield for mine. His two way running when he was in the middle yesterday was not ideal and it wasn't through lack of effort.

Looks to me like Cerra spent the majority of the off-season in the gym pumping iron. He needed to do it to get an AFL ready body but his tank hasn't been built up quite so much.

He is perfect where he is at the moment off the HBF bit like how mundy started his career.

 

[blue shark]

Again, does it concern anyone at all that between Hogan, Cox, Lobb and Tabs none of them can kick?

Better/more supply will help, sure they are not elite goal kickers but more space at Optus?
Adelaide did a number on all our forwards, small/medium players are too blame as well.

 

[Channels]

Out Colyer and Conca
In Blakely and Bewley

 

[Boppo]

There's no way Im dropping Cam Mac..that was a crappy game for all forwards.

 

[332docker]

Out Colyer and Conca
In Blakely and Bewley

I'd be amazed if colyer and conca are dropped this season. They are playing a role and providing experienced bodies and leadership - ani't going to happen

 

[Fat Nyfe]

Out: Cam Mac, Colyer

Ins: Blakely, Darcy/Cox - whoever wants it more on the track this week.

Edit - maybe just Blakely for Cam, and go for a smaller setup considering Richmond don't have Rance or Reiwoldt.

 

[Steinfreo]

Do you think Lobb is a better forward than Cox, Taberner and Hogan?

Do you think a fowardline of Taberner, Lobb and Hogan would work?

We start robbing Peter to pay Paul by jamming him in the forwardline when its detrimental.

I was of the opinion before the trade that you couldnt fit Taberner and Lobb in the same fowardline at any stage since they are too immobile (though good for their size). Once the ball hits the ground they are both almost a liability. Cox and Hogan are actually quite good with ground ball and Cox at least lays a tackle or two which is more than I can say for the others

Hmmm yeah some of those mentioned are going to end up as back up for sure. Lobb isnt getting dropped hes had some really important moments already this season. Hes been in many posters top 5s for at least 2 games I can think of. I dont want Tabs backing either Lobb or Darcy up thats the issue. Its peter paul the other way making Tabs ruck, he sucks at it and it means he gets the ball to often where he isnt super effective ie anywhere outside the forward 50, hes pretty good around the ground not great, I like his marks on the wing late when everyone is tired and thats about it.

It all depends on where you believe if we gain some accendency, in the middle with a better ruck combo or we rearrange the forward line. I think we need Darcy to grow the **** up and take control of the lead ruck role and I think that has the best chance of succeeding if he has a very good back up in Lobb.

This to good for WAFL bs by Cox fanboys is pathetic, make him earn his spot. You guys know hes into a bit of mischief right, handing him a spot in the 22 isnt the right thing to do imo. McCarthy in the same boat, hes getting dropped soon for sure though and he might find it hard to get back in because he doesnt have as many tools as Cox at this stage.

 

[UYD 4 Life]

Do you think Lobb is a better forward than Cox, Taberner and Hogan?

Do you think a fowardline of Taberner, Lobb and Hogan would work?

We start robbing Peter to pay Paul by jamming him in the forwardline when its detrimental.

I was of the opinion before the trade that you couldnt fit Taberner and Lobb in the same fowardline at any stage since they are too immobile (though good for their size). Once the ball hits the ground they are both almost a liability. Cox and Hogan are actually quite good with ground ball and Cox at least lays a tackle or two which is more than I can say for the others

I wasn't keen on lobb last year either but i think they made the right call. With a young darcy an old sandi and meek and jones not looking up to it we have needed ruck cover. I don't think we would have been as competitive this year had we not of picked him up. The last 2 games have been poor but prior to that he has been quite good and i think he has been important to our structures providing marking contests "down the line"

i think you are right that long term we can't have lobb and tabs together in the same forwardline, then it just comes down to what would you prefer an average forward who can ruck well or an average ruck who can play forward well. i think long term it will be lobb, cox and hogan but in saying that tabs has been our best performed tall forward this year and on the weekend.

As for changes:
Switta has to stay in most pressure acts on the ground and 3rd most tackles
I'd like to go a bit smaller and see how that works.

Blakely for McCarthy
Duman for Colyer (Cerra to play more mid/half fwd)

 

[Spirit Level]

I think we need Lobb out of first ruck and Darcy in.
Then the issue becomes choosing three out of Lobb/Tabs/Hogan/Cam/Cox to play forward and 2nd ruck. I don't think we can carry four of them in the one team, so two miss out
I reckon if you look at that list we only play one of Tabs or Lobb, they are the most similar to one another.
So if Darcy starts to make the ruck spot his own sooner or later I reckon it's going to come down to a choice of playing Tabs or Lobb as the 2nd ruck/forward. So out Tabs is going to be in the thinking, either that or out Lobb. Maybe not this week, but if Darcy comes good like we hope, it will.

Exactly my thinking.

We need to get Darcy in as #1 ruck which pushes out either Tabs or Lobb, and I'd have Lobb in over tabs in a heartbeat

 

[FreoRicci]

Exactly my thinking.

We need to get Darcy in as #1 ruck which pushes out either Tabs or Lobb, and I'd have Lobb in over tabs in a heartbeat

Why this insistent McCarthy plays..
I’d have Tabs ahead of him. Cam is on the third defender and still only had 2 marks. 2 !
Tabs had a Talia on him, and is scragged yet manages 6.
Sorry but I’d rather Lobb and Tabs and McCarthy out. At least Lobb and Tabs provide a contest. I really don’t know what the hell McCarthy offers

 

[Spirit Level]

Why this insistent McCarthy plays..
I’d have Tabs ahead of him. Cam is on the third defender and still only had 2 marks. 2 !
Tabs had a Talia on him, and is scragged yet manages 6.
Sorry but I’d rather Lobb and Tabs and McCarthy out. At least Lobb and Tabs provide a contest. I really don’t know what the hell McCarthy offers

Personally I think the forward line is much better balanced with Hogan, McCarthy and one of Tabs/Lobb, rather than Hogan Tabs and Lobb.

Lobb and tabs are too similar IMO and McCarthy has a unique set of skills that sets him apart from the other forwards.

The ruck is also better balanced with Darcy and Lobb, rather than Darcy/Tabs or Lobb/Tabs.

 

[FreoRicci]

Personally I think the forward line is much better balanced with Hogan, McCarthy and one of Tabs/Lobb, rather than Hogan Tabs and Lobb.

Lobb and tabs are too similar IMO and McCarthy has a unique set of skills that sets him apart from the other forwards.

The ruck is also better balanced with Darcy and Lobb, rather than Darcy/Tabs or Lobb/Tabs.

Right. McCarthy has not earned his spot one bit anyway.
We worked better with Hogan/Tabs/Cox. Against GWS. Cox is ahead of McCarthy in his development. Can mark, is smart with the ball and doesn’t get pushed off the ball in a one on one.
Lobb is a versatile enough 2nd ruck. This forces Tabs exclusively FF. Then we can have players playing their role.

 

[bushchook]

Out: Colyer, Tabs
In: Blakely, Darcy

I've had enough of Tabs, attack me if you want

You've said Out: Tabs every week this year but he remains easily our best key forward.

 

[WilloTree]

Again, does it concern anyone at all that between Hogan, Cox, Lobb and Tabs none of them can kick?

In the game Cox played he had a DE% of 100% and KE% of 100%

 

[blue shark]

You've said Out: Tabs every week this year but he remains easily our best key forward.

Well if C Mayne can come back from where he begun at Pies, maybe the same should apply to McCarthy?
Could be elite, hasn't worked for it. Needs more tough love at Peel.
A medium tall needs to be a complete footballer, maybe even play Cam midfield in the seconds?
Too much of a gap between best and worst, and like Walters everyone knows he has the talent.
I would drop Cam before anyone, bruise free footy player.

 

[wild side]

McCarthy is on his last year of current contract.
Needs to pull his finger out pronto