Coach Worsfold - On the brink?

[mxett]

Why do you think the club kept Hird? And dragged out the players' inevitable punishment lut for an extra 12 months?

If the club has made decisions based on pressure from supporters they are the ones at fault, not the supporters.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

If the club has made decisions based on pressure from supporters they are the ones at fault, not the supporters.

Are you for real??

The AFL itself has made decisions based on what Essendon supporters want FFS! There's about 9 million of them, and thry pay the bills.

Of course the club does what they want.

The problem is, that the average Essendon fan is either a chronic fan boi, and or a flog with a superiority complex that chooses not to see when s**t people are doing s**t jobs at Essendon.

 

[mxett]

Are you for real??

The AFL itself has made decisions based on what Essendon supporters want FFS! There's about 9 million of them, and thry pay the bills.

Of course the club does what they want.

The problem is, that the average Essendon fan is either a chronic fan boi, and or a flog with a superiority complex that chooses not to see when **** people are doing **** jobs at Essendon.

if you honestly believe the hundreds of thousands of Essendon fans as a whole are any different to any other supporter base you've completely lost touch with reality. A few thousand, yes. A few hundred thousand, not a snowflake's chance in hell.

 

[kranky al]

Why do you think the club kept Hird? And dragged out the players' inevitable punishment lut for an extra 12 months?

Essentologists

 

[Johnny Karate]

They are one big bodied midfielder short. The difference between their best and worst is also stark. They seem to lack a hard edge which is mainly attitudinal because they can do it, bashed us up around the ball in round 3. Luck with injuries would help as well.

I don’t feel their issue is coaching. Media cheerleaders do their clubs a massive disservice IMO, see Carlton and Melbourne as other examples.

 

[Scotland]

Worsfold will get the chop from Essendon and end up at Carlton. You heard it here first.

 

[The Donners]

Maybe people, especially Essendon supporting Media people, need to stop over rating Essendon every year.

I agree with you but the club itself overrated themselves otherwise they wouldn’t have given 1st round selections away for Stringer and Shiel. Saad and Smith weren’t all that “expensive”. They sold it well and a lot of supporters bought into it. I’m not immune to that, I didn’t have us finishing top 4 but I did think the bottom half of the top 8.

 

[The Donners]

They are one big bodied midfielder short. The difference between their best and worst is also stark. They seem to lack a hard edge which is mainly attitudinal because they can do it, bashed us up around the ball in round 3. Luck with injuries would help as well.

I don’t feel their issue is coaching. Media cheerleaders do their clubs a massive disservice IMO, see Carlton and Melbourne as other examples.

I agree re the big bodied midfielder but getting the pill hasn’t been the biggest problem out of the middle. It’s been the kicking inside 50.

Wholeheartedly agree about lacking a hard edge.

 

[rumply]

Worsfold will get the chop from Essendon and end up at Carlton. You heard it here first.

can confirm

 

[rumply]

I agree re the big bodied midfielder but getting the pill hasn’t been the biggest problem out of the middle. It’s been the kicking inside 50.

Wholeheartedly agree about lacking a hard edge.

alot of that is due to a lack of decent forward options, we keep bombing in or heading wide to pockets because thats all that is presenting itself. Due to injury/poor coaching/pick your poison, Essendon's forward setup has been shizen.

 

[Scotland]

can confirm

It makes sense. He's a motivator not a tactician. Took over a rubbish WC side and a rubbish Essendon side after the supplements ban and was a coaching mentor at Adelaide after Phil Walsh passed.

Essendon's list is fine, they've won 12 games the last two years and will probably win about that this year. They need fresh ideas but they know how to win games.

Carlton stink. They were competitive a few weeks ago but that's dropped right off after repeated losses. Worsfold is a respected former Carlton assistant, he'd have them as an 8-10 win side next year and on the right path to being a contender again. Where he falls away is getting a team that's not in the top couple on talent into the top couple. Doesn't have as many rabbits in the hat as Clarkson, Malthouse etc.

 

[rumply]

It makes sense. He's a motivator not a tactician. Took over a rubbish WC side and a rubbish Essendon side after the supplements ban and was a coaching mentor at Adelaide after Phil Walsh passed.

Essendon's list is fine, they've won 12 games the last two years and will probably win about that this year. They need fresh ideas but they know how to win games.

Carlton stink. They were competitive a few weeks ago but that's dropped right off after repeated losses. Worsfold is a respected former Carlton assistant, he'd have them as an 8-10 win side next year and on the right path to being a contender again. Where he falls away is getting a team that's not in the top couple on talent into the top couple. Doesn't have as many rabbits in the hat as Clarkson, Malthouse etc.

Hey, works for me.

If Essendon don't make finals, & we won't (any decent side would have slaughtered us last week which just goes to shows how bad the Blues are travelling, the overall standard of that game was appalling), word is that Woosha has said he'll walk, as he should. My real issue is that we waste another half a season going nowhere but the team apparently isn't going bad enough to pull the pin on him now so heh, on we go...

 

[Shane Heard]

They are one big bodied midfielder short. The difference between their best and worst is also stark. They seem to lack a hard edge which is mainly attitudinal because they can do it, bashed us up around the ball in round 3. Luck with injuries would help as well.

I don’t feel their issue is coaching. Media cheerleaders do their clubs a massive disservice IMO, see Carlton and Melbourne as other examples.

Oh we have a BB mid. His name is David Myers.

He’s so awesome. Highly skilled, kicks with both feet equally good and possesses sublime awareness in packs.

Recently he played some VFL games but that’s just because he works so hard in the senior side and we sometimes give him a rest in the lower leagues.

We all adore him so much.

 

[The Donners]

alot of that is due to a lack of decent forward options, we keep bombing in or heading wide to pockets because thats all that is presenting itself. Due to injury/poor coaching/pick your poison, Essendon's forward setup has been shizen.

There has been some of that but mostly guys need to drop their heads a little. So it’s probably fair to say it’s a mixture.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I created a thread a little while ago, putting the spotlight on the unfair advantage the AFL had handed clubs like Richmond, Essendon and Collingwood through their trickle down economic strategy.

These clubs were signing big names, because they wanted to play 'in big games in front of big crowds'.
This was perhaps an unforeseen consequence for the AFL, and a major disruptor to other equalisation strategies they had successfully introduced.

Anyway....

I watched Jake Stringer kick a simple goal in a JLT game this year, and immediately turn to the crowd and salute and celebrate like he'd just scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl. I thought to myself, "What a total scrote", and moved on. However, he does it every time he kicks a goal! It's actually embarrassing.

He's obsessed with the crowd.

Then we heard Smith have a dig that Shiel had to play his first game in front of a small crowd.

It made me wonder...

Are these dudes really driven by the right stuff? Are they that egotistical that having lots of people watching you each week is their number 1 priority?

Has Essendon dangled the 'big crowds and big games' carrot too often, and to the wrong people?

Are you guys like Dodoro collecting footy cards to make themselves look good, or are they building a team?

Then the other week, Meyers takes a mark on the siren, and winks arrogantly to his teammate as he's going back for his kick.

WTF was that? What was he winking at? Did he actually think he was capable of kicking a 70m drop punt? Or did he not give a s**t that he couldn't? Bizarre behavior.

The attitudes of Essendon players is foul these days. They are mollycoddled by their doting fan base more than I've ever seen in my life.

Simply put - they're full of themselves. They're not in it for the right reasons.

And their fans just keep embracing it.

 

[brutus76]

No finals must walk.
No Plan B.
Bereft of ideas.
Staggering team selection at times.
Has been given a pretty good list.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I agree with you but the club itself overrated themselves otherwise they wouldn’t have given 1st round selections away for Stringer and Shiel. Saad and Smith weren’t all that “expensive”. They sold it well and a lot of supporters bought into it. I’m not immune to that, I didn’t have us finishing top 4 but I did think the bottom half of the top 8.

They didn't give away a first round selection for Stringer, it was picks 25 and 30, which was a very good deal for us based on his football this year.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

I created a thread a little while ago, putting the spotlight on the unfair advantage the AFL had handed clubs like Richmond, Essendon and Collingwood through their trickle down economic strategy.

These clubs were signing big names, because they wanted to play 'in big games in front of big crowds'.
This was perhaps an unforeseen consequence for the AFL, and a major disruptor to other equalisation strategies they had successfully introduced.

Anyway....

I watched Jake Stringer kick a simple goal in a JLT game this year, and immediately turn to the crowd and salute and celebrate like he'd just scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl. I thought to myself, "What a total scrote", and moved on. However, he does it every time he kicks a goal! It's actually embarrassing.

He's obsessed with the crowd.

Then we heard Smith have a dig that Shiel had to play his first game in front of a small crowd.

It made me wonder...

Are these dudes really driven by the right stuff? Are they that egotistical that having lots of people watching you each week is their number 1 priority?

Has Essendon dangled the 'big crowds and big games' carrot too often, and to the wrong people?

Are you guys like Dodoro collecting footy cards to make themselves look good, or are they building a team?

Then the other week, Meyers takes a mark on the siren, and winks arrogantly to his teammate as he's going back for his kick.

WTF was that? What was he winking at? Did he actually think he was capable of kicking a 70m drop punt? Or did he not give a **** that he couldn't? Bizarre behavior.

The attitudes of Essendon players is foul these days. They are mollycoddled by their doting fan base more than I've ever seen in my life.

Simply put - they're full of themselves. They're not in it for the right reasons.

And their fans just keep embracing it.

All the off field attitude stuff is absolute nonsense, The Pies, Eagles, Hawks and Cats were notorious party animals when they won flags. With the exception of the Eagles who had extensive incidents, nobody went on about their big egos or not taking it seriously because they retroactively consider them professional outfits based on the flags. You win flags when you put the best and most suitable players/balanced list together and they stay injury free at the right time.

We aren't a great team because our midfield is Heppell, Shiel, Merrett, Zaharakis and Parish and not Kelly, Dangerfield, Selwood, Duncan and Ablett. The end.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I created a thread a little while ago, putting the spotlight on the unfair advantage the AFL had handed clubs like Richmond, Essendon and Collingwood through their trickle down economic strategy.

These clubs were signing big names, because they wanted to play 'in big games in front of big crowds'.
This was perhaps an unforeseen consequence for the AFL, and a major disruptor to other equalisation strategies they had successfully introduced.

Anyway....

I watched Jake Stringer kick a simple goal in a JLT game this year, and immediately turn to the crowd and salute and celebrate like he'd just scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl. I thought to myself, "What a total scrote", and moved on. However, he does it every time he kicks a goal! It's actually embarrassing.

He's obsessed with the crowd.

Then we heard Smith have a dig that Shiel had to play his first game in front of a small crowd.

It made me wonder...

Are these dudes really driven by the right stuff? Are they that egotistical that having lots of people watching you each week is their number 1 priority?

Has Essendon dangled the 'big crowds and big games' carrot too often, and to the wrong people?

Are you guys like Dodoro collecting footy cards to make themselves look good, or are they building a team?

Then the other week, Meyers takes a mark on the siren, and winks arrogantly to his teammate as he's going back for his kick.

WTF was that? What was he winking at? Did he actually think he was capable of kicking a 70m drop punt? Or did he not give a **** that he couldn't? Bizarre behavior.

The attitudes of Essendon players is foul these days. They are mollycoddled by their doting fan base more than I've ever seen in my life.

Simply put - they're full of themselves. They're not in it for the right reasons.

And their fans just keep embracing it.

Hey look, 200th goal, on his birthday, in front of 90,000 people, with a pinpoint kick from the boundary.

Simple fist pump and a high five.

Deadset SuperBowl celebration.



Every time he kicks a goal!!!

 

[The Donners]

They didn't give away a first round selection for Stringer, it was picks 25 and 30, which was a very good deal for us based on his football this year.

Apologies, they gave their first round selection away to GWS for Smith and then sent on the 2nd round pick from GWS to the Bulldogs for Stringer. Either way we’ve given 3 first round picks away to bring in players to have a crack at a flag.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Apologies, they gave their first round selection away to GWS for Smith and then sent on the 2nd round pick from GWS to the Bulldogs for Stringer. Either way we’ve given 3 first round picks away to bring in players to have a crack at a flag.

3 first round picks for Smith, Stringer and Shiel is fantastic trading. No way you’d nail three players of that calibre with draft picks.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Apologies, they gave their first round selection away to GWS for Smith and then sent on the 2nd round pick from GWS to the Bulldogs for Stringer. Either way we’ve given 3 first round picks away to bring in players to have a crack at a flag.

Sure but it's not like they are close to retirement, the Pies acquired Adams 5 years before their grand final and Trealor 3 years before. It takes time and we certainly aren't in rebuild territory anytime soon.

I thought we payed slight overs for Shiel and should have been a first and second rounder instead of two firsts but we've done good business in other regards and everyone has proven worthy of the trade value. It's really other elements that have failed to elevate us, but we are finally getting games into the high potential players we expect will propel us in the future in Langford, Redman, Laverde, Parish, Francis, Begley and McGrath.

 

[HarryCurnow]

Worsfold will get the chop from Essendon and end up at Carlton. You heard it here first.

Not entirely correct. Although Worsfold would be right up there as one of the best senior coaches and you dont interview these types.

David Teague like Brett Ratten before him has his chance over the next 12 weeks and if he punches above his weight like Brett did when he was appointed in a permanent position then Teague will be our senior coach.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

All the off field attitude stuff is absolute nonsense, The Pies, Eagles, Hawks and Cats were notorious party animals when they won flags.

Its not their off-field attitudes.

It's their on-field attitudes that's the problem.

They're a bunch of individuals wanting individual glory.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Hey look, 200th goal, on his birthday, in front of 90,000 people, with a pinpoint kick from the boundary.

Simple fist pump and a high five.

Deadset SuperBowl celebration.



Every time he kicks a goal!!!

Still pointed to the crowd. Bizarre.