News 2019 Rumour File - discuss rumours here! (Part 2)

[mattymac]

Yay more camp spam.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I'm tired of hearing about the camp. At this stage it feels like mediocre players making excuses as to why they've sucked the last two years.

 

[mattymac]

Since the camp is not a rumour, could mods please move this boring arse shit to a camp thread?

 

[Golumless]

Question why did some believe we needed a camp of this nature.
Is the reaction from the camp and excuse poeple can use move, or blame, yes it was done badly,
But the simple fact some believed we needed to run a camp of this type highights there was a problem, whether it was preception or actual belief it was still a problem.

Why did the same people fall for the tyrepower scam?

You can't help it when someone is so desperate to show they're smart that they fall for every snake oil scheme. Well you can, don't hire them.

As to why they thought it? I have no idea. It was a dumb idea at the time seeing mental toughness is nothing more than an excuse coaches use to hide the fact they haven't done well in preparing a side. It was a poor idea, that was poorly implemented. If you want to go for a "mental toughness" take them on a ****ing bootcamp in the forest, and let them work together.

 

[Elite Crow]

no I am not going backl to read all those post about howbad the camp was and how it effect the players,
iot like rewatching 2017 grand final again. no
read them yousleve they are there. for all to see. you only have to go back 1 day to find some.

So you’re making a claim you can’t back up. I’ll summarise the argument for you:

Club hires Roos mate Burton despite his questionable fitness record
Club appoints Burton in a position he wasn’t qualified for
Burton creates a camp designed to break the players and hires unqualified quacks to do it
Camp creates issues for the playing group
Club reacts by telling players to pull their heads in
Players aren’t accepting it and keep pushing the club to hold those responsible to account
The person responsible is Burton, Roos mate, so instead of doing just that they bunker down
On top of that Burton leads a fitness program that destroys any chance for 2018
The discontent doesn’t go away, the players continue express their unhappiness as they have no trust in Burton and those running the club
Players and coaches leave as they hate the environment and can’t work with Burton
Burton stays, 2019 implodes
Review is called to find out what’s wrong and they are being told exactly what the players were telling them in 2018 & 19, Burtons got to go

So the camp was and is an issue, but the biggest issue is the boys club appointment that led to Burtons recruitment, promotion and protection and that’s the BIGGEST issue.

Now besides the odd poster I would say this sums up about 85% of the opinion on here and yes I know I’ve just represented the board but someone had to dumb it down for you

 

[Morning_Fog]

I can’t recall which one it was, Chapman, Fagan or Trigg, but one of them said it was their job to set the culture.

in the 1990’s, when Bill Sanders and Bob Hammond were in charge, we had a football club culture feel about it.

then slowly into the 2000’s with Trigg and now Chapman, the culture of the club has moved from being an inclusive footy club to a corporate white collar closed door environment where nothing gets released and everything is hush hush. Just like the banking inquiry where they told the consumers, investors and customers nothing.

gee, I wonder what our fearful leader did before he became chairman.

 

[Peter Doherty]

Why did the same people fall for the tyrepower scam?

You can't help it when someone is so desperate to show they're smart that they fall for every snake oil scheme. Well you can, don't hire them.

As to why they thought it? I have no idea. It was a dumb idea at the time seeing mental toughness is nothing more than an excuse coaches use to hide the fact they haven't done well in preparing a side. It was a poor idea, that was poorly implemented. If you want to go for a "mental toughness" take them on a ******* bootcamp in the forest, and let them work together.

Firepower?

 

[ad victoriam]

Since the camp is not a rumour, could mods please move this boring arse s**t to a camp thread?

Sorry my Fault I will refrane from commenting re the Camp again my apoliglies

 

[FAITH]

Yep, all just a beat up:
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Kristof you still deluded with this?

 

[Golumless]

Firepower?

Might have been. Whatever that scam was that Burton ended up causing people in the club to lose money over.

 

[Morning_Fog]

I'm tired of hearing about the camp. At this stage it feels like mediocre players making excuses as to why they've sucked the last two years.

I’m not.

I wished more players leaving were talking about it.

give them any excuse to sweep this under the carpet

 

[Golumless]

I'm tired of hearing about the camp. At this stage it feels like mediocre players making excuses as to why they've sucked the last two years.

I'm not. We need the people behind that idea expunged, otherwise, our next side will be destroyed by them as well. We've already had two instances in the last decade of shocking management, which has cost us at least one premiership (the price of the Tippett fiasco, as we were the side building up to a list capable of a dynasty). Lets not add to that.

We need more camp stuff, and more pressure. Especially whilst there is a review going.

 

[Morning_Fog]

Might have been. Whatever that scam was that Burton ended up causing people in the club to lose money over.

I thought it was Riccuto and Carey who introduced it to the players.

 

[Golumless]

I thought it was Riccuto and Carey who introduced it to the players.

It may have been, I've always thought it was Burton.

That said, it was a long time ago, so the memory could be fuzzy as to who. If so, I'll happily stand corrected.

 

[mattymac]

Sorry my Fault I will refrane from commenting re the Camp again my apoliglies

I think it started well before you got involved but tbh I've only skimmed the last 200 posts of camp crap

 

[Morning_Fog]

It may have been, I've always thought it was Burton.

That said, it was a long time ago, so the memory could be fuzzy as to who. If so, I'll happily stand corrected.

As you said, long time ago and they all lost money. Burton was involved but it doesn’t really matter anymore.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

I'm not. We need the people behind that idea expunged, otherwise, our next side will be destroyed by them as well.

We need more camp stuff, and more pressure. Especially whilst there is a review going.

I want those people removed from the club too but I don't want the players thinking they can keep making excuses for their atrocious form. It's been two years since the camp. They need to start taking some responsibility for their form.

 

[70lethal]

It does play to the theme and yes I am a baby boomer, that millennials do not have the same level of resilience as Gen X and Boomers and have been known to give up when it gets too tough.

I call bulls**t on this and Boomers and Gen X overating themselves and having little understanding of Millennials
The difference between them isn't toughness and commitment.
The difference is millennials aren't prepared to accept the crap and poor behaviour that as a gen X i was taught was acceptable.

Most millennials will speak up. Its not a bad thing done respectfully. I wish I spoke up more at an early age.

The issue is Gen X and Boomers often can't handle the truth or deal with it and i say this is one of the main issues at Adelaide with the likes of BB.

 

[kirky]

I call bulls**t on this and Boomers and Gen X overating themselves and having little understanding of Millennials
The difference between them isn't toughness and commitment.
The difference is millennials aren't prepared to accept the crap and poor behaviour that as a gen X i was taught was acceptable.

Most millennials will speak up. Its not a bad thing done respectfully. I wish I spoke up more at an early age.

The issue is Gen X and Boomers often can't handle the truth or deal with it and i say this is one of the main issues at Adelaide with the likes of BB.

Can handle the truth? FMD - this is what the millennials problem is. Want everything handled on a platter. Need to be cuddled, need to be rewarded, need this, need that. FMD.

Oh and I’ll add another issue - work ethic.

I have no problem speaking out and calling bullshit when I see it.

The failure of the club to address issues mid year (would suggest that was asked by the players) is the main problem. And yes, Campo, Burton and Chapman need to go.

 

[Dc9798]

Pyke has fallen on his sword
Now we wait for burton

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He won’t fall on his sword, he’ll be there until (or if) they throw him out the door.


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[1990crow]

What happened to star player requesting a trade after best and fairest?

 

[Dc9798]

I’m not.

I wished more players leaving were talking about it.

give them any excuse to sweep this under the carpet

You might get your wish with the amount of players that are about to exit the club.


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[Mr_Moogle]

Can handle the truth? FMD - this is what the millennials problem is. Want everything handled on a platter. Need to be cuddled, need to be rewarded, need this, need that. FMD.

Oh and I’ll add another issue - work ethic.

At least millenials aren't a generation of climate change deniers and casual racists.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I call bulls**t on this and Boomers and Gen X overating themselves and having little understanding of Millennials
The difference between them isn't toughness and commitment.
The difference is millennials aren't prepared to accept the crap and poor behaviour that as a gen X i was taught was acceptable.

Most millennials will speak up. Its not a bad thing done respectfully. I wish I spoke up more at an early age.

The issue is Gen X and Boomers often can't handle the truth or deal with it and i say this is one of the main issues at Adelaide with the likes of BB.

....Is that why Millenials are running to physciatrists evertime they suffer in life .....outspoken, idealic, but no resilience to handle lifes best

At least they've sporned a burgoning industry of head doctors

 

[Geoffa32]

CEY comments about the camp splitting the group kind of fits into what an AFC coach, who was on the camp, told me about the purpose of the camp.

There was a strong belief from the coaches, especially Pyke the players failed GF day and it was their fault.

Before the game they felt it was in the bag. Too much cockiness.

The camp was designed to break the players egos and build them back up again. But it was ran by cowboys and what they did was pit the players against each other.


I didn't get details on what happened, didn't want to grill him as we were at a wedding and the coach was not "at work".

A few friendships broken that weekend I guess

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