News 2019 Rumour File - discuss rumours here! (Part 2)

[FR0GGY]

Rob Harding, pretty sure he is leaving Essendon this off season. Wonder if we have talked him back? Hes fairly highly regarded i believe.

Did we replace him?

 

[1991firstgamer]

Normally I would agree. BUT we need this aired so that the club HAVE to act on it. Saying nothing and letting the club continue to pretend it didn't have an impact and letting those responsible escape scrutiny is the worst that can happen for the AFC.

It's been aired over and over
Bringing it up is just playing into the Vic media
It doesn't help the club
They're on good money
If you're going f off already

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[Elite Crow]

Subaru will call bulls##t to this.

Yeah but how come the media haven’t said anything about Essendons camp?

 

[Morning_Fog]

It's been aired over and over
Bringing it up is just playing into the Vic media
It doesn't help the club
They're on good money
If you're going f off already

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Who has been held accountable for the camp?


Maybe that is why it should continually be brought up.

 

[1991firstgamer]

jfc.. if you need that explained, then theres no point in even starting grandpa

Instead of being condescending and presumptuously rude why don't you explain it to me SJW
Oh theyre aboriginal so what happened to them is more relevant than what happened to a Jacobs or Sloane
FFS

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[Smoooothy]

Instead of being condescending and presumptuously rude why don't you explain it to me SJW
Oh theyre aboriginal so what happened to them is more relevant than what happened to a Jacobs or Sloane
FFS

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classic boomer argument..

 

[1991firstgamer]

Who has been held accountable for the camp?


Maybe that is why it should continually be brought up.

Pyke has fallen on his sword
Now we wait for burton

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[1991firstgamer]

Being Indigenous doesn’t make them different. Being a human being with feelings and emotions does.

You are not allowed to offend someone in the workplace

He made the point differentiating them because they were indigineous
I made the point one in all in

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[1991firstgamer]

classic boomer argument..

Classic ignorant millennial I can't think for myself but I know it all
And by the way I'm not a boomer in the way you'd be referring
I'll await your attempt at answering the question and not quoting cliches


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[GreyCrow]

Its a worry that Shuttleworth is still trying to dismiss the camp as a beat up as this suggests the club still hasn't worked it out.

If it is reported correctly that Shuttleworth contacted Dillon prior to the interview suggests :
1. The club was concerned about what CEY might say
2. There are issues they havent addressed or inadequately addressed
3. Shuttleworth is in panic mode still

 

[1991firstgamer]

classic boomer argument..

Classic ignorant millennial I can't think for myself but I know it all
And by the way I'm not a boomer in the way you'd be referring
I'll await your attempt at answering the question and not quoting cliches
And JJ should STFU too
Whats your argument now

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[ad victoriam]

What a load of Crap. re the Camp. Yes, the Camp divided the team, And yes the people reasonable need to be removed for more reasons than the Camp. A lot more reasons.
But for all this carry on about it affecting the team 2 years later,
Maybe the people who organised the camp were right, Our Players are mentally weak,
Blame the coaches yes, blame Burton, yes, To me, the there biggest issue was getting the wrong people to run the camp a lack of professionalism in today times. But its certainly sounds like some of our players are mentally weak. and when you get several in the same group issue's arise

CEY said the camp did affect him and some of the players maybe just maybe being delisted in 2017, and Rookie listed with a year out of football, and not getting a senior spot may have affected him as well, But if he blaming the Camp 2 year latter he needs to toughen up.
Wow 2 years and it's still an issue and the younger players were not involved.

One good thing is after this trade period most of the players and staff that were affected/involved will not be on the list. maybe we can then toughen up and get on with playing football.
Maybe the club would have been better removing a few of these players last year.

 

[radiojake]

considering none of us actually know anything that happened or didn't happen at the camp, it's probably not really in our right to question whether or not players have reacted poorly or should have 'gotten over it' by now

 

[Golumless]

If he didn't want to be here this year, he had the chance not to be.

No one wanted Cam last season.

 

[Elite Crow]

considering none of us actually know anything that happened or didn't happen at the camp, it's probably not really in our right to question whether or not players have reacted poorly or should have 'gotten over it' by now

Exactly, nice rant by adman but he doesn’t have a clue.

I also think whilst the camp sucked, the club didn’t try and mend the fall out from the camp, they tried to dismiss it which made it worse. Another example of a club run by shitheads.

A football club relies on trust, trust in your teammates and trust in your clubs management that they know what they were doing.

The camp turned the players on each other by having to criticise each other and then by causing splits in the playing group which didn’t mend.

Then the management allowed the chief architect off the hook and the players saw that as them protecting one of their own than the players. The trust in the clubs management was broken.

Players aren’t still affected by the actual incidents but the fallout.

 

[kirky]

I hope your right re Burton - but just because he should be sacked doesn’t mean he will. If it was so obvious why hasn’t the gangly f***er stepped down already? Same with campaignero, why are these blokes still at the club during a period of important change and decision making?


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Thought it might be obvious - Burton thinks he has the protection of Roo whilst Campo thinks he has the protection of Chapman.

These two, Burton and Campo, are delusional and think their shit doesn’t stink. They are so far up themselves, any further and they become a black hole.

 

[ad victoriam]

considering none of us actually know anything that happened or didn't happen at the camp, it's probably not really in our right to question whether or not players have reacted poorly or should have 'gotten over it' by now

So it OK to blame the Coaches and Organisers without the same knowledge but we cannot look at the players in the same light,
The Camp was a mess regardless of what knowledge we have, most understand that.
But I am sure there was more and deeper issue than that, that affected the team,
Because if a 4 day camp was the biggest issue then the players need to toughen up.
And bl;aming everything on a 4-day camp is a crap call and a weak out.

 

[Golumless]

Maybe, I mean Cam had his best year this year. I think the playing group stayed solid, there was just a huge lack of faith in who is leading them.

Also weirdly Cam would have benefitted from the lack of faith. After all seeing the game plan degraded, doing well would depend on how good your contested game is due to that being a reliable skill (whereas stuff like line breaking, good kicking etc does require a good game plan to be properly utilised)

Weirdly ideal conditions for an inside midfielder. Similar to playing in a poor team.

 

[F_therest]

What a load of Crap. re the Camp. Yes, the Camp divided the team, And yes the people reasonable need to be removed for more reasons than the Camp. A lot more reasons.
But for all this carry on about it affecting the team 2 years later,
Maybe the people who organised the camp were right, Our Players are mentally weak,
Blame the coaches yes, blame Burton, yes, To me, the there biggest issue was getting the wrong people to run the camp a lack of professionalism in today times. But its certainly sounds like some of our players are mentally weak. and when you get several in the same group issue's arise

CEY said the camp did affect him and some of the players maybe just maybe being delisted in 2017, and Rookie listed with a year out of football, and not getting a senior spot may have affected him as well, But if he blaming the Camp 2 year latter he needs to toughen up.
Wow 2 years and it's still an issue and the younger players were not involved.

One good thing is after this trade period most of the players and staff that were affected/involved will not be on the list. maybe we can then toughen up and get on with playing football.
Maybe the club would have been better removing a few of these players last year.

You do realise he was answering a question where the camp was one of a number of things right? Not the only thing.

Also the camp still affecting the players is not them being weak...the fact is the club never really acknowledged they made a mistake or made it up to the players, and currently outside of pyke, the guys who led it like burton are still at the club...so the situation and resentment still lingers.

Classic victim blaming, calling them weak.

Club and company cultures start from the top.

 

[ad victoriam]

Exactly, nice rant by adman but he doesn’t have a clue.

Yea a Rant because all this crap about a 4-day camp is tiresome and bullshit.
Its was a bullshit 4-day camp if anyone cannot get over it then something wrong on both sides of the fence, not just the organisers.

 

[Elite Crow]

Yea a Rant because all this crap about a 4-day camp is tiresome and bulls**t.
Its was a bulls**t 4-day camp if anyone cannot get over it then something wrong on both sides of the fence, not just the organisers.

You still don’t get it.

 

[Morning_Fog]

Pyke has fallen on his sword
Now we wait for burton

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has been fired yet?

no

well, I think that’s a good enough reason to continue to bring it up.

 

[ad victoriam]

You still don’t get it.

I get it but why are some believing this is the biggest issue at the club.
I don't believe you get it.
The 4 day camp was shit. but the problem exist befor the camp. yes the problem existed before the camp. remove the camp and there would there still would have been a problem.
So stoip using the Camp as the biggest reason.
Put the blame where it should lie.

 

[kirky]

Oops. Yes 2018 was the year wrecked by the camp.

Oh and for the record, I don't think we choked in 2017. I think we underestimated just how good Richmond were. The last few years have demonstrated that. Again another indication as to the poor decision making by Burton etc... around the camp. They decided the GF loss was the players fault and needed 'toughening up' mentally. In fact, Richmond were just too good. It's that simple.
To think that it was entirely our fault gave no credit to Richmond.
To think that we could just roll it back with the same team for the next 2 years and then win it again showed zero respect to Richmond.

It just showed how arrogant we were.

Also selection for the GF - Otten was a very bad mistake plus the loss of Smith and McGovern in the finals meant team was unbalanced.

Add Richmond moving up a gear and it became the perfect storm. The failure of the football department to realise this says it all of those involved in the football department were just as guilty.

 

[FR0GGY]

Here you go Peter Doherty ^ here’s an example.