News 2019 Rumour File - discuss rumours here! (Part 2)

[WaynesWorld19]

 

[1991firstgamer]

He won’t fall on his sword, he’ll be there until (or if) they throw him out the door.


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Yeah hopefully
That's what I meant . One way or the other.
I think it's a foregone conclusion

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[pjcrows]

You do realise he was answering a question where the camp was one of a number of things right? Not the only thing.

Also the camp still affecting the players is not them being weak...the fact is the club never really acknowledged they made a mistake or made it up to the players, and currently outside of pyke, the guys who led it like burton are still at the club...so the situation and resentment still lingers.

Classic victim blaming, calling them weak.

Club and company cultures start from the top.

Excellent post.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

CEY comments about the camp splitting the group kind of fits into what an AFC coach, who was on the camp, told me about the purpose of the camp.

There was a strong belief from the coaches, especially Pyke the players failed GF day and it was their fault.

Before the game they felt it was in the bag. Too much cockiness.

The camp was designed to break the players egos and build them back up again. But it was ran by cowboys and what they did was pit the players against each other.


I didn't get details on what happened, didn't want to grill him as we were at a wedding and the coach was not "at work".

A few friendships broken that weekend I guess

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The key comment I took from CEY's interview was ....It Divided the group ...and by that, meaning the Playing list

 

[mattymac]

At least millenials aren't a generation of climate change deniers and casual racists.

Give them time

 

[ams4crows]

There is clearly a divide in the group and I don't know the reasons why or what happened exactly at the camp to cause it to happen but its clearly there.... but that doesn't excuse players effort this season, there were times where as a fan it really didn't look like they were trying or that they even cared about winning which is rare as 99% of athletes play sport because they want to win and they like winning and that is something the players need to step up and take responsibility for.

Alot of those matches in the back half of the year I felt sorry for Don because he was copping it from everyone, cost him his job in the end, when it was the players effort/heart that was lacking.
The sense of entitlement some of these players accross the AFL these days have is staggering, just in the last 10 years even.

 

[GetInMyVanBerlo]

With Cam saying that on trade radio, could you imagine what he said to Dunstall behind closed doors, there's just no way Burton survives this, there can't be.

Watch the club announce the findings of the review and that Burton is staying after the cut off date for membership renewal, they'd know that a large number of people renewing or not rests on the result of it, wouldn't be surprised at all.

 

[headache1]

It's been aired over and over
Bringing it up is just playing into the Vic media
It doesn't help the club
They're on good money
If you're going f off already

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Players openly mentioning it puts more scrutiny back on Burton, which I'm all for.

 

[pjcrows]

People can say what they want about the camp but I don't think people realise how united, focused and well-led a group needs to be to win a professional sports title.

 

[ad victoriam]

Any more info on the detial ie what picks if any.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Excellent post.

So what happens when we get a new coach, have a bad season and the players start blaming the camp again? When does it go from being a necessary criticism to being a tired excuse?

 

[GetInMyVanBerlo]

Who gives a toss .. why does that make them different.

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**** off

 

[WaynesWorld19]

 

[pjcrows]

So what happens when we get a new coach, have a bad season and the players start blaming the camp again? When does it go from being a necessary criticism to being a tired excuse?

Depends if those in charge of implementing the camp and misreading the follow up are still at the club.

 

[ABAB]

There is clearly a divide in the group and I don't know the reasons why or what happened exactly at the camp to cause it to happen but its clearly there.... but that doesn't excuse players effort this season, there were times where as a fan it really didn't look like they were trying or that they even cared about winning which is rare as 99% of athletes play sport because they want to win and they like winning and that is something the players need to step up and take responsibility for.

Alot of those matches in the back half of the year I felt sorry for Don because he was copping it from everyone, cost him his job in the end, when it was the players effort/heart that was lacking.
The sense of entitlement some of these players accross the AFL these days have is staggering, just in the last 10 years even.

But we were in winning position in countless games against the top 8 teams so the players did try in the 1st half of those games.....the not trying occurred at the end of the season against teams we were meant to beat and that's when most saw the "writing on the wall" about Pyke, he approved the camp.

 

[1991firstgamer]

At least millenials aren't a generation of climate change deniers and casual racists.

Don't forget sexists homophobes bigots blah blah blah

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[Mr_Moogle]

Give them time

Yeah I'm sure the effects of climate change will become less noticeable over time...

 

[baby back Bibs]

It’s gonna be a long trade week.

 

[1991firstgamer]

It’s gonna be a long trade week.

Not for us

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[1991firstgamer]

So what happens when we get a new coach, have a bad season and the players start blaming the camp again? When does it go from being a necessary criticism to being a tired excuse?

Now you're talking

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[ad victoriam]

Anyone know who else is over in Melb with Reid,

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Any more info on the detial ie what picks if any.

No details ....guess we'll find out this afternoon

 

[70lethal]

Can handle the truth? FMD - this is what the millennials problem is. Want everything handled on a platter. Need to be cuddled, need to be rewarded, need this, need that. FMD.

Oh and I’ll add another issue - work ethic.

I have no problem speaking out and calling bulls**t when I see it.

The failure of the club to address issues mid year (would suggest that was asked by the players) is the main problem. And yes, Campo, Burton and Chapman need to go.

So BB is handling the truth well? How about Chapman? How about Camporeale?
Its not millennials that are the issue at the club.

Boomers had everything gifted to them. Free educaton. Cheap land. Low living costs and taxes.
How many were stoner's?

You realise the likes of Dusty, Bont, Fyfe are millennial's.

Now if you want to stereo type all millennials that's your prerogative but don't be fooled many are great workers and great communicators.
I have 3 as children. All work there arse's off, bought property before 22 and set for life because they listened and sort good advice.
They are very generous with their time and money.
My mates businesses are flourishing since their millennial children have joined.
I'd rather deal with an intelligent millennial than a dumb arse stoner boomer.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Depends if those in charge of implementing the camp and misreading the follow up are still at the club.

I want Burton gone as much as anyone around here but I seriously doubt it's going to suddenly heal the fractures in our playing list.

 

[Viva la Mattner]

Even the majority of Bulldogs supporters don’t see them getting Keath and Bruce, without losing their first.

Crows will give Keath and P28 for P13

Bulldogs will give P28 for Bruce, which Lethean alluded might be enough.

Crows give future 4th or late pick for Betts and Greenwood for 20.

Late pick for Betts or future 4th which will be used for Frampton

This leaves us with 4,13,20,23,48 and a futures depending on above scenarios.



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Why do that?

If we get 13 for Keath and 28
I’d be approaching Essendon who could have 2 top 10’s
13 & 20 for 9

Gets us in before Port allowing us Stephens and Gould