Opinion Which fringe players already on our list will have an impact in making us better in 2020?

[adammania9]

Have a feeling John Noble will feature in our side all season with Greenwood's extended absence in mind. And I've always felt that Appleby held the keys to us getting more midfield minutes out of Maynard, and I hope I'm right about that. Appleby looked grouse in his first season, hopefully he picks back up where he left off last year.

 

[Tbone McGraw]

I know this doesn't answer the question but the blokes that need to lift imo are Phillips, Thomas, Cox, Aish and possibly WHE

 

[Kappa]

I feel he is a very balanced player, kicks well with both feet and holds his own if traffic. That said he's not brilliant overhead (not s**t either, just decent) and we have a wealth of smaller players, many of whom can compete aerially better than Josh.

We are getting better by foot, finally, and he fits the bill of a skilled damaging player but he is less versatile than some (not blindingly fast, not aerial, maybe not that strong defensively). I can imagine him chafing behind guys like Josh Thomas and Stephenson.

I hope he strengthens his entire game and makes himself an untradeable asset because he looks like the kind of skilled footballer that make multiple premiership teams.

Is Daicos actually a good kick or is it a myth?

He has a lovely looking action, but whenever he plays at senior level he regularly turns it over and misses targets.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

I’ve got high hopes for Dayne Beams to come back happy, refreshed, rejuvenated ... and with his body well repaired. Would love to see him get back to his best (the club should put up a pic of him from Friday night on stage with Grundy, Steele, and Pendles to remind us who our last four Copeland winners are)

John Noble had a stellar season, a deserving winner of our best first year player award (doing better than IQ who was a first round pick ... sure, IQ got injured, but Noble still played better in his 5 games than IQ did in his 4). He’s only going to get better and make our team better.

I reckon Rupert Wills will take a lot of confidence out of the end of the season and come back even better in 2020.

Trav Varcoe will need to do a Chris Mayne or Leon Davis to be better and make us better. Unlikely, but you never know.

Lynden Dunn obviously isn’t retiring (he’s had plenty of time to think about it and would have announced it by now if he was) and I think he could bring some flexibility back into our side by allowing Roughead to potentially play elsewhere. I’d carry Madgen as back-up, hopefully with either Keane or Madgen to take over the role long term.

Murphy’s horror season is hopefully behind him now and it’ll be great if he could continue the good form he showed at the end of 2018.

I think Sier will end up elsewhere in 2020.

I reckon Broomhead’s days are behind him. John Noble and Brodie Mihochek have shown us that there are gems that can be unearthed elsewhere.

I don’t see that Crocker, Appleby can make us better, so I reckon they’ll be delisted.

Why do people keep forgetting that Appleby is contracted for next year?

 

[Pie thon]

Beams, Langdon, Sier, Quaynor from your list have the most upswing to improve
Beams return to form, Langdon playing 20+ games intercepting, Sier breakout to Adams output, Quaynor making Nobles role his own

Other things that could be break outs for the teams:
Even a little improvement in Cox will help the forward structure a lot
DeGoey have a full preseaon and a hopeful break out year to rise to a Dusty type level
Stephenson break out going into his 3rd year
Midfield coaching innovates and we make high use of Grundys ruck advantage will go a long way
Grundy resting forward and being a marking target would help
Scharenburg finds a new playing position HF/Wing
WHE/Thomas improve their goal kicking beyond 2018 levels
We uncover a new Mihocek or Tim Kelly in the draft

We need 3 or 4 things like that to happen and we can become more dangerous

 

[loki04]

Is Daicos actually a good kick or is it a myth?

He has a lovely looking action, but whenever he plays at senior level he regularly turns it over and misses targets.

He is but at AFL level to date has been rushed when kicking and it is effecting it. To be fair he hasnt got a run of games like Brown to settle and feel comfortable in the team.

 

[shizzle]

Off that list Beams can have the biggest impact if he comes back at or near his best.

Of the others I would hope Quaynor can step up and take the lone available backline spot, which clangers noble had at the back end of the season.

Also we need Sier to finally take the opportunity that is there for him, I think many of us expected big things from him this year, it didn't eventuate.

I'd love to think Murphy could be a player for us, but not convinced as yet. Not so much in regards to talent just in his propensity for getting injured.

Daicos almost seems like a slightly younger Broomhead in that he gets good numbers in the VFL, but never really takes his opportunity at AFL level, I still have some hope for him, but not a great deal.

The others I think have either reached their ceiling or are in decline.

 

[peter9789]

Each year we welcome a bunch of new players to Collingwood, and they fill our hopes and dreams and expectations ...

... but there are a bunch of players already on our list who were fringe in 2019 because they were injured, developing, or struggling for form.

Which of those players do you think will have an impact in making us better in 2020?

Players who fall into this category

- Dayne Beams (9 games in 2019)
- John Noble (5 games in 2019)
- Rupert Wills * (9 games in 2019)
- Josh Daicos (5 games in 2019)
- Travis Varcoe * (16 games in 2019)
- Tom Langdon (9 games in 2019)
- Nathan Murphy (0 games in 2019)
- Lynden Dunn * (0 games in 2019)
- Isaac Quaynor (4 games in 2019)
- Brayden Sier * (6 games in 2019)
- Ben Crocker * (3 games in 2019)
- Tim Broomhead * (0 games in 2019)
- Flynn Appleby * (1 game in 2019)
- Jack Madgen * (4 games in 2019)
- Matt Scharenberg (7 games in 2019)

* Players who are currently uncontracted for 2020.

The obvious one is Beams - if he can get back to full fitness both mentally and physically he is an A grader and will have an impact around clearances.

- IQ I think is headed towards a best 22 position - lovely kick - looked comfortable in the few games he played. I'd play him on the wing
- Langdon is underrated and will slot into starting 18 comfortably.
- Scharenberg I think is at the cross roads of his career. Severely hampered by injuries, looks to have time and space when he has the ball. Not blessed with pace but can see him improving our back 6.
- Murphy is someone I think has upside and if he gets a good run at it could surprise in 2020.

Of the remaining don't think any of them actually make us better, but remain largely as depth. Be surprised if Broomhead retains his position.

Wills / Daicos / Noble / Varcoe / Sier will plays games but not sure they make us better. Sier is one that should have been a best 22 player, but as we have seen poor attitude and injuries wasted this season - will we see a repeat in 2020

 

[4#Didak#4]

I think the guy that can impact our team the most is Murphy. There is a lot of upside to this guy and believe he will play forward and change the way our setup looks for the better. Massive upside huge talent, drafted with Stevo just needed some development and injury luck. Kid has filled out and a big preseason will turn him into a man to be dealt with. He is my 2020 bolter.

Having Berg and Langdon in the one team would also be awesome... injuries have prevented this but I really like what they can provide together.

IQ is an exciting prospect who will play all games if fit and is simply dynamic and changes our ball movement from boring to dangerous.

Sier and Beams could be dominant but I am a little pessimistic about where they are at and their ability to realise their potential.

Outside the group is Tyler Brown I am hoping he offsets some of the disappointment I have with the above two.

I also pray for Daicos to realise he is good enough at the level. He is, but confidence holding him back, you see glimpses but is hesitant to take it on and back himself.

 

[NonPhixion]

Langdon is the most important player for us from that list. We really missed him down back. With him fit I genuinely think we have the best defence in the comp
Moore, Roughead, Langdon, Howe, Maynard, Crisp. Formidable unit

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Langdon is the most important player for us from that list. We really missed him down back. With him fit I genuinely think we have the best defence in the comp
Moore, Roughead, Langdon, Howe, Maynard, Crisp. Formidable unit

You smooth talking Peaky fooking Blinder.

 

[MyManLynch]

Is Daicos actually a good kick or is it a myth?

He has a lovely looking action, but whenever he plays at senior level he regularly turns it over and misses targets.

From what I saw, his turnovers were more decision making errors (kicking inboard when players were leading towards boundary.
I forget which game, but I saw Sidebottom twice approach & inform him that he kicked to the wrong option.
That can be fixed/improved.

 

[jjsmitty8]

I’m really hoping that we unleash De Goey as a mid. We know how explosive he can be as a forward, but we need to use him the same way Richmond use Dustin Martin. He’s far too good to sit forward from the first bounce to the final siren and only end up kicking one goal and having ten touches.

So in saying this I’m hoping Dayne Beams is ready to go by round 1 2020, to fill a spot at half forward to rotate with JDG.

Langdon is a walk up start and rounds off our best 6 defenders.

Somewhere between their 2018 form and 2019 form from the likes of Cox, WHE, Sier will mean all have better years in 2020 and hopefully elevate us.

 

[Quicky]

I think the two obvious ones from that list are Langdon and Beams. We missed Langdon's uncompromising defence this year and he will make us even stronger next year. I think Beams will be important to add midfield depth and our rotations making it harder to control us as a group. We struggled at clearances and Beams is a quality clearance player. I can also see him rotating through half forward where his inside 50 retention rate is excellent when he has more space that role offers him.

The other player I think could have a big impact in Noble but not from defence. I would like to see him used off a wing where his pace can add balance to Sidebottom/Phillips who, while excellent, are one paced and have a sameness to their games. I think Quaynor also adds some excitement with his pace and confidence to run at the opposition but will rely on injuries for his chances.

If i'm honest i'm not big on the other names from that list bar Scharenberg who I think could be awesome if we'd just play him! It's tough to get a gig in our defence.

 

[Aishole]

personally, i’d like our mix next year to include Quaynor & Noble, I like what they bring to the team. Add on top of that Langdon and Beams back... don’t ask me how to fit everyone in... glad im not on the selection committee.

Would love to see Murphy swing down forward and see what he can do down there. If he could come on as a tall option, our Key Forward position suddenly doesn’t look as dire. Im bullish on the young irishman and basketballer too, would be a dream for both of those fellas to develop into AFL players.

 

[Harry O]

Likes of Cox Beams and Langdon are the senior guys who could make an immediate improvement to the team

The kids who could jump to best 22 and be quite handy are Murphy T Brown and Quaynor. (With a watch on Wilson and Keane)

 

[Cyclops]

The comments about Sier are very perceptive. In 2018 he was killing them in the packs and we managed to convert Grundy's dominance slightly better than this year. He may not be as relentless as Wills but he's still beefy and his handballing was hot. Was it because he flew under the radar? Is he too dumb to keep playing good footy? I reckon if we can gethim back to his late 2018 form we can be top 2.

On Daicos maybe his kicking is an illusion, he certainly appears balanced and capable but I have been wrong before. I admit in part its the name. His father was a miracle-maker.

De Goey has an explosive burst on the lead because he makes superb body contact to create space up forward but as a mid he seems lacking in pace. He has given us unbelievable bursts (eg early final q 2018 GF) but that seems to be less successful this year and he's probably a forward for life.

To me Cox is the player that presents the most problems for opposition coaches. He's nowhere near our best player, or our best forward. However he is our biggest headache maker. He demands serious attention and that frees Mihocek (much quieter out of Cox's shadow) and makes channels for Thomas, Stephenson H-E Varoce etc to pour through. As brilliant as Elliot is (and he's a headache for the enemy too, nippy yet strong, pack mark and decent lead) he does not demand the double team or blast holes like Cox. If we signed Elliot I guess it means Cox is a lock too, I wouldn't replace Cox with Elliot.

 

[left at home]

Langdon, Beams And Sier. For me.

 

[Pie eyed]

Cox.
Fit and with another preseason in him, along with his continuing understanding of the game, could well be the player who tips us into Flag territory.

 

[wicksy]

Noble and Wills - neither look to have high ceiling, however they showed their importance and ability to play a role in 2019. With more games they'll have more impact, however their performance won't reach new levels

You're putting a ceiling on a guy who played 5 games after being drafted from the sanfl mid year without an AFL pre season? Sheesh!!

 

[Thatsmyname]

C Brown - Takes the next step
T Brown - Freak with no shoulders
Murphy - A clean run and he'll explode
Keane - Will lock down a defensive post
Daicos - Written off by some but 11 posy Q shows the magic doesn't fall far from the seed
Quaynor - Mr 16th Premiership

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

You're putting a ceiling on a guy who played 5 games after being drafted from the sanfl mid year without an AFL pre season? Sheesh!!

His midgetness will be an ongoing issue.

 

[barrackers]

You're putting a ceiling on a guy who played 5 games after being drafted from the sanfl mid year without an AFL pre season? Sheesh!!

No, the number of AFL games is irrelevant I’m going by what I seen in his play during those games and also his VFL games. He’ll be a good solid player who can play a role and do it well, but he’s not going to dominate the comp. It would be unfair and unrealistic to expect anything else given his footy background.

 

[76woodenspooners]

His midgetness will be an ongoing issue.

Caleb Daniel 168cm
Jarryd Blair 172cm

(Both Premiership players)

John Noble 180cm

 

[Toecrusher]

On Daicos maybe his kicking is an illusion, he certainly appears balanced and capable but I have been wrong before. I admit in part its the name. His father was a miracle-maker.

It's a lot about his surname, but that doesn't mean he can't make it.

The skills are there, he appears to work hard enough, it's just a matter of him finding a position to make his own.
I doubt he'll get many chances in the forward line, the midfield is full, too small for the backline, so wing or half forward appear his only hopes.

I like genuine speed on the wings, and while I believe fast hands and a quick thinker make up for this, the wing would be an exception to this. He'll have to be aiming to take the place of someone like JT to claim a position.

As a great fan of his dad, I hope he can find a spot, even if it's only to secure Nick in the FS.