Mega Thread Coronavirus & the AFL - Stage 4 Restrictions in Place in Vic - Part 3

[Gralin]

This is part Three.

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. (Thread part 1 - cont in part 2, link in thread)

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - season postponed. Part 2 * CONTINUED ABUSE WILL NOT BE TOLERATED *

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Mega Thread - Coronavirus & the AFL - Stage 4 Restrictions in Place in Vic - Part 4

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Australian stats page:

Australian Coronavirus Stats

Latest COVID-19 stats from Australia.

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[mouncey2franklin]

I heard that Belgium was automatically counting the eldery who died as coronavirus cases, wihout even testing them.

Weird.

There are people on this forum who are genuinely ignoring what was said by the the chief of the Illinoins health department:



From 15m 05s of that clip.

Coronavirus deaths are not simply those who die from covid, they are those who die with covid.

But watch what happens right now, the chicken littles will come out in force to defend their 'this is as bad as the spanish flu' narrative.

You have to understand that most of these people had no jobs or social life prior to the lockdown.

They love the 'new normal', and the lies it has been built upon.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

CDC (an organisation a lot of the lock-downers in here use as gospel) has just changed its advice regaridng COVID-19 transmissiont o now state that it has a low propsect of surface-to-person transmission.

If that wasn't patently obvious. I hope all those who have been wiping down every surface, wearing gloves in the shops and spraying disinfectuant on their groceries now begin to realise they've been played by the MSM's fearmongering.

Good news that that has been confirmed for us coming out of this though.

 

[blackcat]

That is definitely not what they said, re-read it.

ceteris paribus
all-things-being-equal

 

[Forward Press]

There are people on this forum who are genuinely ignoring what was said by the the chief of the Illinoins health department:



From 15m 05s of that clip.

Coronavirus deaths are not simply those who die from covid, they are those who die with covid.

But watch what happens right now, the chicken littles will come out in force to defend their 'this is as bad as the spanish flu' narrative.

You have to understand that most of these people had no jobs or social life prior to the lockdown.

They love the 'new normal', and the lies it has been built upon.

CDC (an organisation a lot of the lock-downers in here use as gospel) has just changed its advice regaridng COVID-19 transmissiont o now state that it has a low propsect of surface-to-person transmission.

If that wasn't patently obvious. I hope all those who have been wiping down every surface, wearing gloves in the shops and spraying disinfectuant on their groceries now begin to realise they've been played by the MSM's fearmongering.

Good news that that has been confirmed for us coming out of this though.

 

[GeelongFTW]

Coronavirus deaths are not simply those who die from covid, they are those who die with covid.

Even If someone had a pre-existing condition they still died from covid because they were living fine beforehand...

If I have a serious nut allergy but accidentally ate a Nutella sandwich what killed me was the sandwich- not the allergy. (because I was perfectly fine before said sandwich).

 

[Forward Press]

Even If someone had a pre-existing condition they still died from covid because they were living fine beforehand...

If I have a serious nut allergy but accidentally ate a Nutella sandwich what killed me was the sandwich- not the allergy. (because I was perfectly fine before said sandwich).

It's a pretty simple question:

- Would the person have died that day if they did not have COVID-19?

Like the debate about mortality rates, I feel it's part of an agenda by the anti-lockdown and conspiracy crowd to downplay the virus. It also cheapens the value of human life by saying 'well, sure you may only be 50 but you had hypertension, so it was your time to go anyway'.

 

[luthor]

That's what you've got to love about this Forum

You can always find something said by somebody on a clip that backs up your view .....and then claim total victory

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Even If someone had a pre-existing condition they still died from covid because they were living fine beforehand...

If I have a serious nut allergy but accidentally ate a Nutella sandwich what killed me was the sandwich- not the allergy. (because I was perfectly fine before said sandwich).

Yep, the bloke who had a heart-attack definitely died of COVID-19

 

[blackcat]

The Cinq-a-sept at Imperial

Neal Ferguson did masters and doctorate @ Cambridge but by god he was out

 

[Monkey King]

Interesting model from Columbia University suggesting that if the US shutdown on March 1st, two weeks earlier than it did, then 83% of deaths up to May 3rd could have been avoided.

By March everyone knew how serious the threat was and yet Trump was still going on about business as usual and that the virus was just a bad flu. Now of course he claims they should've been warned earlier and that "it was the incompetence of China and nothing else" that is to blame.

 

[Monkey King]

Yep, the bloke who had a heart-attack definitely died of COVID-19

Actually, that is a real possibility. It's known covid-19 can result in myocarditis that aggravates arrhythmias, triggers fibrillation, or leads to blood clots that cause heart attacks (or stroke). This is why people with cardiovascular disease are a high risk group.

EDIT: No one dies of "coronavirus", they die from the effects the virus has on the body i.e. heart failure, liver failure, kidney failure, respiratory failure.

 

[Sub_Zero]

I heard that Belgium was automatically counting the eldery who died as coronavirus cases, wihout even testing them.

Weird.

CDC (an organisation a lot of the lock-downers in here use as gospel) has just changed its advice regaridng COVID-19 transmissiont o now state that it has a low propsect of surface-to-person transmission.

If that wasn't patently obvious. I hope all those who have been wiping down every surface, wearing gloves in the shops and spraying disinfectuant on their groceries now begin to realise they've been played by the MSM's fearmongering.

Good news that that has been confirmed for us coming out of this though.

Aren't you going to provide links to these sources?

 

[Forward Press]

EDIT: No one dies of "coronavirus", they die from the effects the virus has on the body i.e. heart failure, liver failure, kidney failure, respiratory failure.

It's one of my bugbears. Technically, no one dies of AIDS either but you'd be called out as disingenuous, rightly so, if you claimed it didn't kill people.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Or you could try responding to the evidence presented like an adult.

(You are an adult, yeah?)

 

[Monkey King]

There are people on this forum who are genuinely ignoring what was said by the the chief of the Illinoins health department:

"And the number are very close of course ..."

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Aren't you going to provide links to these sources?

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.

www.cdc.gov

I don't have a source for the Belgian thing, I heard it on the news in passing the other day.

I actually live my life and don't spend the day researching how dangerous Covid-19 is like the unemployed on here who don't want lockdowns to end

 

[Forward Press]

Or you could try responding to the evidence presented like an adult.

(You are an adult, yeah?)

If you're going to start throwing around names for apparently the unemployed introverted pro-lockdown crowd, you don't deserve one. Same applies for FBI who I noticed posted similar jibes.

 

[Monkey King]

Aren't you going to provide links to these sources?

Not quite what the poster claimed; here's what the CDC have updated their website to:

COVID-19 is a new disease and we are still learning about how it spreads. It may be possible for COVID-19 to spread in other ways, but these are not thought to be the main ways the virus spreads.

It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes. This is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads, but we are still learning more about this virus.

 

[blackcat]

Interesting model from Columbia University suggesting that if the US shutdown on March 1st, two weeks earlier than it did, then 83% of deaths up to May 3rd could have been avoided.

By March everyone knew how serious the threat was and yet Trump was still going on about business as usual and that the virus was just a bad flu. Now of course he claims they should've been warned earlier and that "it was the incompetence of China and nothing else" that is to blame.

and 'they' were calling him racist for closing the borders

 

[Les Malone]

That is definitely not what they said, re-read it.

they said this ..... re-read it!!

.........

But Belgium has gone further than that, also including the deaths of non-hospitalised people who are suspected of having the virus.

So, in nursing homes, for instance, it is registering deaths based on the assessment of the medical doctor, which takes into account symptoms they've shown and if they've been in contact with confirmed cases.

..........

so in fact like many others they have been guestimating

 

[Les Malone]

Alistair Haimes

@AlistairHaimes

If #Covid_19 had struck in winter; shown versus 1999 and 2000 influenza seasons. Updated for today's
@ONS mortality figures.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Actually, that is a real possibility. It's known covid-19 can result in myocarditis that aggravates arrhythmias, triggers fibrillation, or leads to blood clots that cause heart attacks (or stroke). This is why people with cardiovascular disease are a high risk group.

EDIT: No one dies of "coronavirus", they die from the effects the virus has on the body i.e. heart failure, liver failure, kidney failure, respiratory failure.

A quick google.
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What are the signs of lack of oxygen?
Low blood oxygen levels can result in abnormal circulation and cause the following symptoms:

• shortness of breath.
• headache.
• restlessness.
• dizziness.
• rapid breathing.
• chest pain.
• confusion.
• high blood pressure.

More items...
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Jan 28, 2020
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Pretty easy to imagine that some one prone to heart attack and already has high blood pressure, could easily stroke or arrest if they are having respiratory problems.

 

[Les Malone]

The pandemic in Sweden,

el gato malo

@boriquagato
· 3h
of interest, population grew 2.3% over that period, so in population adjusted terms, this is actually 1.1% lower than 2017-18. in fact, if we adjust for population, it's the 2nd lowest season for all cause deaths in the last 5. (sweden's population has grown 8% since 2015)

 

[SaintsSeptember]

they said this ..... re-read it!!

.........

But Belgium has gone further than that, also including the deaths of non-hospitalised people who are suspected of having the virus.

So, in nursing homes, for instance, it is registering deaths based on the assessment of the medical doctor, which takes into account symptoms they've shown and if they've been in contact with confirmed cases.

..........

so in fact like many others they have been guestimating

When you look at the TOTAL deaths 2020 vs average , the discrepancy for Belgium was much less than some of their European Neighbours. ( perhaps excepting Germany ).
That supports what they are saying.

 

[Roby]

I heard that Belgium was automatically counting the eldery who died as coronavirus cases, wihout even testing them.

Weird.

Yeah it's been happening for centuries.