Religion Ask a Christian - Continued in Part 2

[Chief]

Continued in Part Two:

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ask-a-christian-part-2.1295001/unread

 

[Cooldude]

God's so needy, he needs you to pamper and worship him all the time. Then if you don't, he turns all Karen on you

 

[Total Power]

That is why he sent Himself down in human form as Jesus Christ, who was the perfect sinless man.

There are some very cool Gospels concerning the childhood of Jesus, and there is a good reason why the canonical Gospels are almost completely silent on Christ's life before the age of about 32.

no prophet is accepted in his home town' (Luke 4:16-30)

Thinking through this, the only reason why this would be true is if you demonstrated no special virtue or ability as a child. Your hometown knows your history.



**tl;dr** The people of Nazareth remembered that time that Jesus threw a rock at a girl he liked as an 8 year old. The time he got too handsy with the Millers daughter. And the time he got into his dad's beer, and was found ass up in the air, unconscious on the local Synagogue's steps covered in vomit. Oh, and they remembered all the times Jesus didn't perform any miracles for the first 32 years of his life.


If sin is acting against God, and Jesus is God, then the statement that Jesus was without sin is wholly unremarkable. It's as useful as saying that Queen Elizabeth has not acted against the crown. Jesus could drown a baby in the river and it still wouldn't be a sin, because that would by definition be something God wanted.

 

[iBeng]

"Did you hear about Jesus? They say hes doing mircales now!"
"Yeah, well, he still owes me a new cart. Crashed it drunk carting the bastard."

Jesus, the early years.

 

[Total Power]

"Did you hear about Jesus? They say hes doing mircales now!"
"Yeah, well, he still owes me a new cart. Crashed it drunk carting the bastard."

Jesus, the early years.

How can that be sin, he's god.

 

[iBeng]

How can that be sin, he's god.

God made that apple wine that made him drive that cart.

 

[iBeng]

Christian question!

Is this normal?

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[Capital Magpie]

A perfect god is self-sufficient with no wants, needs, or loneliness. He would exist in a constant state of enlightenment and bliss with no motivation to create people or do anything.

Keep in mind that god exists outside of time, so there would be no cumulative effects of anything due to time.

So, that's your understanding of a perfect God eh? How could you - a mere mortal - presume to know and define God's qualities? That really is quite laughable. And does that mean you think there are imperfect Gods? You embarrass yourself with your atheism.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

So, that's your understanding of a perfect God eh? How could you - a mere mortal - presume to know and define God's qualities? That really is quite laughable. And does that mean you think there are imperfect Gods? You embarrass yourself with your atheism.

You know the methodology you use to disprove all other gods other than your own?

Why not apply it to your god and see what it does?

 

[Capital Magpie]

You know the methodology you use to disprove all other gods other than your own?

Why not apply it to your god and see what it does?

Not true. I don't use Evolved1's method to prove their are no other Gods other than the one true God, who is sometimes known as Jehova or the great Ï am". I don't need to apply it to my God, because of my faith.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Not true. I don't use Evolved1's method to prove their are no other Gods other than the one true God, who is sometimes known as Jehova or the great Ï am". I don't need to apply it to my God, because of my faith.

I used to have Zeus as my god until someone disproved it for me, so I've moved on to the Spaghetti Monster as my god

Can you disprove the Spaghetti Monster for me and then tell me how you did it?

 

[Capital Magpie]

I used to have Zeus as my god until someone disproved it for me, so I've moved on to the Spaghetti Monster as my god

Can you disprove the Spaghetti Monster for me and then tell me how you did it?

You can have as many false Gods as you want because God gave you free will. I have no need or interest in disproving them. What you're saying is reminiscent of Herod taunting Jesus into working miracles so that he could believe.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

You can have as many false Gods as you want because God gave you free will. I have no need or interest in disproving them. What you're saying is reminiscent of Herod taunting Jesus into working miracles so that he could believe.

Well it would be the same if that ever happened, but it didn't

 

[Capital Magpie]

Well it would be the same if that ever happened, but it didn't

So you say, but you can't prove it.

 

[Boston tiger]

Objective evidence for the existence of your god would suffice.
What does the big bang have to do with biblegod?
The basis for love is found in evolution.
That's quite vague. Many ex-Christians report improvement in their mental health after leaving Christianity.
There's no evidence that we have a soul.

Do you have a soul?

 

[Boston tiger]

Objective evidence for the existence of your god would suffice.
What does the big bang have to do with biblegod?
The basis for love is found in evolution.
That's quite vague. Many ex-Christians report improvement in their mental health after leaving Christianity.
There's no evidence that we have a soul.

There's a job for you .. find out what connection there is with the Bible God and the Big Bang.

 

[Boston tiger]

Objective evidence for the existence of your god would suffice.
What does the big bang have to do with biblegod?
The basis for love is found in evolution.
That's quite vague. Many ex-Christians report improvement in their mental health after leaving Christianity.
There's no evidence that we have a soul.

So love didn't come from inanimate object?

 

[Boston tiger]

Objective evidence for the existence of your god would suffice.
What does the big bang have to do with biblegod?
The basis for love is found in evolution.
That's quite vague. Many ex-Christians report improvement in their mental health after leaving Christianity.
There's no evidence that we have a soul.

What objective evidence for God would do it for you ?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

So you say, but you can't prove it.

Sure can, it was never recorded

 

[Capital Magpie]

Sure can, it was never recorded

How does that prove it?

 

[Baltimore Jack]

How does that prove it?

Because it far outweighs your (non) proof

You have nothing and believe it occurred, I have something i.e no recorded meeting or recorded charge (in a time when records of such things were made) against your fictional character and it is you who pushes me for more evidence

 

[Capital Magpie]

Because it far outweighs your (non) proof

So you contend that your proof that the Herod/Jesus interaction never occurred far outweighs my (non) proof that it did occur?

You have nothing and believe it occurred, I have something i.e no recorded meeting or recorded charge (in a time when records of such things were made)

How do you know that there was no recorded meeting, no record of the encounter? I would think it likely that there was such a record made, but it just hasn't been found. The incident happened 2000 years ago after all. More than likely a tin-pot little Roman puppet would have had scribes to document these things (subjectively to put their employer in the best possible light, but documented nonetheless).

against your fictional character and it is you who pushes me for more evidence.

Correct, and is that the best you can come up with?

 

[Capital Magpie]

Someone objected to the term indoctrination earlier in the thread; at least, the idea that Catholicism indoctrinated children.

It's so successful, the interesting thing is that they're moving away from it. Maybe we're slowly getting through, letting them see the real effects their conditioning can have.

Or maybe Satan is succeedingin his quest to undermine God and lead more soils away from God?

 

[Gethelred]

Or maybe Satan is succeedingin his quest to undermine God and lead more soils away from God?

Here's a question for you: how much stock do you put in Satan/Lucifer, considering he's more a creation of the church and literature than the bible?

 

[Capital Magpie]

Here's a question for you: how much stock do you put in Satan/Lucifer, considering he's more a creation of the church and literature than the bible?

Oh I have no doubt that Satan exists. No doubt whatsoever. To me, it is very evident that Satan is behind a lot of the bad stuff that happens in the world, but the non-believers seem to want to attribute them all to God.

Satan is mentioned in the Bible quite a lot, as well as scriptures, by the way, eg. tempting Jesus during the 40 days in the desert. I'm sure Satan (not God) was Herod's motivating force in the slaughter of the innocents.

That's how Satan operates. He is not known as the Great Deceiver for nothing. He is a master at deceiving people into thinking that there is no such thing as the Devil, as that helps him reap more souls than he would otherwise be able to.

 

[Gethelred]

Oh I have no doubt that Satan exists. No doubt whatsoever. To me, it is very evident that Satan is behind a lot of the bad stuff that happens in the world, but the non-believers seem to want to attribute them all to God.

Satan is mentioned in the Bible quite a lot, as well as scriptures, by the way, eg. tempting Jesus during the 40 days in the desert. I'm sure Satan (not God) was Herod's motivating force in the slaughter of the innocents.

That's how Satan operates. He is not known as the Great Deceiver for nothing. He is a master at deceiving people into thinking that there is no such thing as the Devil, as that helps him reap more souls than he would otherwise be able to.

How do you reconcile that with God's supposed omnipotence?