News Conor McKenna tests positive for COVID-19 - Wait, what?

[Asapartyhat]

Melbourne is very different to WA, 5 million people, many international arrivals, many different demographics, a climate that is more conducive to this sort of thing. The main thing they have done wrong is trusting people to follow the rules, only takes a few doing the wrong thing to get into the current situation. Didn't Perth have a hotel quarantine worker test positive? Well Melbourne has many times the number of arrivals so you would expect many times the number of hotel workers testing positive and spreading it at home. It's nothing to do with McGowan being so great, not sure why you lot are buying that. It's no coincidence that the most remote countries and most remote regions within those countries are doing the best.

Victoria has had 926 cases from overseas and 888 cases from close contacts community spread so far and rising

WA has had 518 cases from overseas and has had 86 cases from community spread close contacts etc and not rising.

We have lots of planes coming from os to Perth. Contary to what you think on the east coast the west coast is actully the front door to Australia for alot of the world.We have had flights from South Africa ,India,Malaysia and a flight from Doha with 13 positives in the last month including five Victorians . The reason we don't get to zero active cases in WA is because there are returned travelers coming back regularly.

Your Victorian logic does not stack up against the facts.As is expected

 

[blue harvest]

Are you saying that Victorians are too self absorbed and selfish to follow the rules? It could just be that we in the west are more determined to follow the instructions and restrictions... BTW, don't you remember we had all those cruise ship passengers that had to be isolated and I don't recall a community spread issue arising from that !!

Yes. Some are ignoring the rules or don't understand the rules. We have a lot more arrivals too.

 

[blue harvest]

Victoria has had 926 cases from overseas and 888 cases from close contacts community spread so far and rising

WA has had 518 cases from overseas and has had 86 cases from community spread close contacts etc and not rising.
We have lots of planes coming from os to Perth. Contary to what you think on the east coast the west coast is actully the front door to Australia for alot of the world.We have had flights from South Africa ,India,Malaysia and a flight from Doha with 13 positives in the last month including five Victorians .

Your Victorian logic does not stack up against the facts.As is expected

Not interested in any Vicco stuff, comments like that make you look dumb.
Yes all states have received flights, Melbourne has received more from some problem parts of the world recently and as I said we have 5 million people.

 

[theyellowsash]

Is the virus transmittable when asymptomatic or not? Does it remain transmittable for two weeks or three weeks?

The mixed messaging around this is truly laughable, and the cherry on top is that most people just shrug their shoulders and assume 'muh expert advice' must be based on something other than complete bullshit.

If people who test negative have to remain in quarantine for two weeks after returning home, why would anybody who has been on contact with McKenna not have to do the same thing before being allowed to return to the club?

Nothing against Essendon, they are in a tough spot now, this could (and might) happen to any other club, and my questions will remain the same:

Where's the ****ing consistency, and why does almost nobody seem to care that the story changes day to day, 'expert' to 'expert'?

Because their educated guesses are based on a while lot more than what a flog like you has to say

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Because their educated guesses are based on a while lot more than what a flog like you has to say

You trust muh 'experts' and when somebody points out that they are changing their story, you get defensive. Like a religious zealot.

 

[theyellowsash]

You trust muh 'experts' and when somebody points out that they are changing their story, you get defensive. Like a religious zealot.

No, I accept that they are learning what they can as they go, and that means the information might change. That's how science works.

As opposed to you, who has a clearly troll username and has absolutely no good argument why I should believe you instead other than you said so. You know, like anyone religious.

 

[Choogler]

If it was a club in the AFL's pocket this would be getting handled very differently.

I doubt it because the AFL has a "save the suburban Vic clubs" mentality despite how nonviable and how much it costs them to prop them up. They are not going to suddenly hang them out to dry now.
It is galling that clubs like Hawks, Pies, Eagles and yours are the ones that pay for it. Over the 10 year period of GC and GWS existence, a forced relocation of 2 teams rather than establishing 2 new teams would have saved the AFL a minimum of $150 million in payments to prop the relocated teams up in Melb. Pretty handy to have in these days

 

[Choogler]

Not interested in any Vicco stuff, comments like that make you look dumb.
Yes all states have received flights, Melbourne has received more from some problem parts of the world recently and as I said we have 5 million people.

5 million people, many of whom refuse to socially distance.... we saw the evidence back on the Easter long weekend

Market madness: Shoppers in face masks crowd each other and stand shoulder-to-shoulder while browsing stalls as they IGNORE signs telling them to keep their distance to stop the spread of coronavirus

 

[Asapartyhat]

Not interested in any Vicco stuff, comments like that make you look dumb.
Yes all states have received flights, Melbourne has received more from some problem parts of the world recently and as I said we have 5 million people.

Just saying your logic doesn't stack up .

Every country in the world where Australian citizens are returning from is full of covid-19.That doesn't need to be a problem especially if you don't work in healthcare .Every capital city in every Australian state except Tasmania has a million plus people which is more than enough for a disastrous amount of community cases and Victoria not being able to isolate and control cases is not my problem as long as WA keeps its borders closed .Which doesn't bode well for the rest of the AFL season.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

5 million people, many of whom refuse to socially distance.... we saw the evidence back on the Easter long weekend

Market madness: Shoppers in face masks crowd each other and stand shoulder-to-shoulder while browsing stalls as they IGNORE signs telling them to keep their distance to stop the spread of coronavirus

agree, some of the behaviour I've witnessed from fellow vics beggars belief, morons who think corona virus is something that happens on the news and not in their friendship group. You should see them all!

Was also absolutely stunned that Gil didn't immediately rule out Essendon playing Carlton next week. If a Carlton player gets it from a bomber next week, it's pretty much season over. Why would they risk that?

 

[mightymouse75]

Gill is a self serving flog.
What a great example for the community. Money vs responsibility..

 

[Ron The Bear]

agree, some of the behaviour I've witnessed from fellow vics beggars belief, morons who think corona virus is something that happens on the news and not in their friendship group. You should see them all!

An Arts degree is proof that the holder knows nothing.

 

[mianfei]

They do now, but 2 months back they had bigger problems than Melbourne. As I said it only takes a few people doing the wrong thing to get into the current situation...They talked about a person today who continued to go to work and family functions after testing positive and others who did the same thing when they were meant to be isolating.

That is certainly possible. The problem for Victoria is that the largest outbreak, at Cedar Meats in Brooklyn, began in March and was undetected for five full weeks. It is more than likely that the Cedar Meats outbreak, and the failure to maintain severe lockdowns in the local government areas of Brimbank and Hume (which surround the plant) even as restrictions were eased during May and early June has meant that spread in the community is rapidly moving around Melbourne’s large urban area.

Are you saying that Victorians are too self absorbed and selfish to follow the rules? It could just be that we in the west are more determined to follow the instructions and restrictions... BTW, don't you remember we had all those cruise ship passengers that had to be isolated and I don't recall a community spread issue arising from that.

Most likely people in WA are more willing to follow the rules. There is not the academic individualism of university-based communities that there is in Melbourne or in countries of the northern and western hemispheres. In (most of) those, much stricter rules than seen anywhere in Australia were and/or are necessary to have COVID-19 under control.

AFL has no choice in my opinion until Victoria's COVID cases subside. They need to get the 10 Victorian teams out of the state asap. Play the next few rounds in hubs in Perth, Adelaide and maybe Tassie where it is safer. Then revisit it in a month and hopefully by then Victoria will be safe again. Call needs to be made now.

The problem is that the SA and WA Governments are not going to allow the movement of any people from Victoria, and I have my doubts about Tasmania. Given that the problem Victoria faces really results from the failure as far back as late March to shut down Cedar Meats – which is the source of the large-scale local transmission we are seeing today – it is not likely things will improve in Victoria within the ensuing month.

The AFL is in a trap which it will take a long time to extricate itself from, although it could not have predicted that COVID-19 would, early in winter, be spreading only in Victoria when it decided to postpone play in March.

If the league goes into hiaitus again, with short quarters they can play on 4 day breaks on resumption. With no, or minimal, crowds playing midweek isn't a problem. Fox would love getting at least a game a night.

Playing a game a night might be the long-term goal for the AFL and TV broadcasters even if crowds do return. Given present COVID-19 conditions in Victoria crowds at AFL games will definitely not return before 2022 and probably not before 2023 – and vis-à-vis some other major world leagues the AFL seems much less unwilling to accept this reality.

It is possible that the long-term goal of staggered AFL games entirely played in prime TV hours has existed since before COVID-19, although I do entirely lack evidence.

It’s also possible that such a system of staggered games and shorter quarters could allow for a fairer competition (more games if a normal schedule can be restored) if it were continued when and if COVID-19 subsides, although i have my doubt and believe shorter games will simply make players exert themselves much more than with more playing time.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

No, I accept that they are learning what they can as they go

Perhaps in time you might begin to do the same, and realise that muh 'experts' are paid to say whatever they are told to say by those who pay them.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

I doubt it because the AFL has a "save the suburban Vic clubs" mentality despite how nonviable and how much it costs them to prop them up. They are not going to suddenly hang them out to dry now.

Tell that to Fitzroy who were squeezed out to make way for Port Adelaide

 

[Ron The Bear]

Given present COVID-19 conditions in Victoria crowds at AFL games will definitely not return before 2022 and probably not before 2023 – and vis-à-vis some other major world leagues the AFL seems much less unwilling to accept this reality.

Interesting viewpoint. I've heard unofficially through my employer that we won't be working on premises for the rest of the year.

If you're right then the AFL's viability is threatened. Clubs can't expect members to continue to forfeit their fees for entire seasons while paying for subscription TV as well.

My perspective is that they can't be too badly off while they continue to sink money into AFLW which provides zero return.

 

[Whiskers]

What’s the expectation on when Essendon vs Melbourne play?

 

[mianfei]

I doubt it because the AFL has a "save the suburban Vic clubs" mentality despite how nonviable and how much it costs them to prop them up. They are not going to suddenly hang them out to dry now.

It is galling that clubs like Hawks, Pies, Eagles and yours are the ones that pay for it. Over the 10 year period of GC and GWS existence, a forced relocation of 2 teams rather than establishing 2 new teams would have saved the AFL a minimum of $150 million in payments to prop the relocated teams up in Melbourne. Pretty handy to have in these days.

The mentality to save struggling clubs has existed in the VFL/AFL for over 85 years as I write this, dating back to the failure of Hawthorn and North Melbourne to become competitive in the 1930s, then to Hawthorn and St. Kilda in the 1940s and early 1950s. Then there was the “soccer belt” clubs of South Melbourne, Fitzroy, Footscray and North Melbourne in the 1960s losing their supporter bases to Greek, Yugoslav, Italian and Maltese immigrants with no interest in Australian Rules. During the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, families descended from past generations of South Melbourne, Fitzroy, Footscray and North Melbourne supporters moved to new suburbs and entirely failed to maintain former loyalties.

The view of the rich clubs – Carlton, Collingwood, Richmond and latterly also Essendon and Geelong – was that the struggling clubs should be kept in the league. They no doubt believed they were a source of revenue for their own clubs, who would have fewer fans if they did not have games against these weak clubs to win.

The VFL’s action in the late 1960s to prop up South (in whose case they failed completely), North, Footscray and Fitzroy by expanding metropolitan zoning beyond the old suburbs and introducing a malapportioned country zoning system was entirely automatic. The League never considered doing nothing so that “soccer belt” clubs would have almost definitively gone under – this was unacceptable to the bigger clubs who did not wish to lose games their supporters expected to watch them win. Letting South, North, Footscray and Fitzroy fold would also have lessened the VFL’s status vis-à-vis the SANFL and WANFL, who were then still rivals to the VFL (partly because Perth and Adelaide were less affected by those demographic changes erasing the supporter bases of the “soccer belt” clubs).

With the nationalisation of the VFL into the AFL, the smaller Melbourne clubs could not accept the loss of status that would have come from being excluded from a national competition (the inverse of why the big VFL clubs refused contraction between the 1930s and 1960s). Since then, television interests in as many games as possible – with increasing physical stress on players due to a faster, more intense game and harder, drier, more television-friendly playing surfaces – has acted to reinforce pre-existing VFL/AFL attitudes that unviable clubs must be propped up. It surprised me that some television broadcaster said a couple of weeks ago that a ninth game is superfluous – no doubt contradicting long-held views.

 

[Linda Lovelace]

Well with community transmission ongoing in Victoria and with the Premier blaming the people


Mr Andrews said more than half of the new cases since the end of April have come from family-to-family transmission.

"It is unacceptable that families anywhere in our state can, just because they want this to be over, pretend that it is," he said.

"It is pretty clear that behind closed doors ... they are not practising social distancing."

The state's Chief Health Officer said Victoria is "absolutely at risk of a second peak" of COVID-19.

"We are at a point where we have to turn it around or the numbers get beyond us," Professor Brett Sutton said on Saturday.

"We are indeed at a crossroads."


If you where a betting man I think its safe to assume that the comp will be shutdown

Melbourne became the 'swine flu capital of the world' during that pandemic too. Melbourne winters are playgrounds for viruses.

So unfortunately, I think your bet is paying 1.20s at most at this point.

 

[HTT]

Just as lame as Essendon has had more positive Corona tests then Carlton wins this season!

Posts that aged nicely

 

[Great8]

What’s the expectation on when Essendon vs Melbourne play?

2 months IMO

 

[gingernuts]

Forget all of the afl spin. I thought that if you have been in contact with a covid+ person it is mandatory to self isolate for 14 days.End of!

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Umm you clearly don’t understand the situation. He came back a while ago and completed quarantine over two weeks ago.

Which means Essendon hasn't been completing adequate testing of it's players, or McKenna had been breaking ADL biosecurity rules.

Either way, Essendon is in the shit over this

 

[JayJ20]

Which means Essendon hasn't been completing adequate testing of it's players, or McKenna had been breaking ADL biosecurity rules.

Either way, Essendon is in the sh*t over this

Essendon followed AFL protocol like every other club. It's possible that McKenna broke the rules.

 

[Great8]

Which means Essendon hasn't been completing adequate testing of it's players, or McKenna had been breaking ADL biosecurity rules.

Either way, Essendon is in the sh*t over this

He has had 5 negative tests in the last couple of weeks and the club has been following all the protocols. Seems McKenna was a naughty boy and clubs can’t keep an eye on players 24/7. There will always be some who do their own thing