Mega Thread Port Forum 'General AFL Talk' Thread Part 14

[TeeKray]

Basketball and Soccer have both had some enormous, significant changes to their rules and their style over time.

The problem the AFL has is that they are dealing with a supporter base wanting a return to the free flowing, high scoring product from an era where defensive strategy amounted to "beat your man". The game has matured so much defensively.

Basketball and Soccer aren't necessarily much older sports but they're so much more widely played and we're so much more professional earlier that they've tactically matured. Aussie rules is only just really getting there. Both sports have had pretty significant rule changes, they just happened a while ago.

Hell, if we want old style shootouts, we could always adopt the old NBA rule banning zone defence. Free kick against anyone marking grass and not a player. Welcome back 140-120 scorelines and 100 goal forwards.

The game will settle, and until then we'll still have fans demanding less defensive dross and simultaneously demanding no rule changes. The AFL will continue to tinker with the rules to try to achieve the best product they can while the coaches will focus on winning even if it's at the expense of the spectacle.

I think the issue is that we're getting the exact opposite of shootouts, we're getting games where defence is 95% on top. We need a better balance.

I think what the AFL needs to do is look back on some games in recent years that were high scoring. It's not that defence didn't exist in those games, it's that offence got on top at stages too. The Wingard Showdown springs to mind. What was it about that game that was different to how the game is played today? Work that out and then tweak accordingly.

 

[Power freak 2008]

Loved AFL 360 tonight was a Port Adelaide love in.

Watched it after I read this reply. The first time any show in Victoria spent any time talking about the ladder leaders. And Mark Robinson seems to have a soft spot for Hinckley so I'm not surprised. Other shows still have an obligation to discuss the team beyond Butters, Duursma, and Rozee. Like how good Ladhams did, the emergence of Powell Pepper and the cohesion of our backline. It effects our players' marketability and decreases their earning potential during and after their career. It makes no sense to pay little attention to us when we've earned the right to be scrutinized more

 

[Steve Dore]

Lel The ‘spirited Crows apparently have outstanding culture’
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The Big Texan™ believes that the culture at the Camry Crows is outstanding.

If there was ever any doubt that Tahlah is as thick as two short planks it has now been dispelled.

 

[PowerBaz]

Just a bit better odds than St Kilda but not as good as Footscray.

 

[Tibbs]

Watched it after I read this reply. The first time any show in Victoria spent any time talking about the ladder leaders. And Mark Robinson seems to have a soft spot for Hinckley so I'm not surprised. Other shows still have an obligation to discuss the team beyond Butters, Duursma, and Rozee. Like how good Ladhams did, the emergence of Powell Pepper and the cohesion of our backline. It effects our players' marketability and decreases their earning potential during and after their career. It makes no sense to pay little attention to us when we've earned the right to be scrutinized more

Think about it, these shows are all about the back stories, the politics, the controversies. Its what their audiences lap up. So "Ladder leader beats team placed placed well below it ... News at 7" Not really!

However the manner of the weekend's win was significant. AFL360 raved about it, as did AFL Tonight (July 22 - See Nick Delsanto interview)

Overall there was a lot of good press & media over this win. In fairness too, Carlon have been playing well, and almost sneaking that win was, or would have been, a big story in Melbourne.

 

[Steve Dore]

'Don't try to cover things up': Shane Tuck's father's mental health plea in wake of son's death

Former Richmond mainstay Shane Tuck, who died aged 38, "had a few issues and he couldn't get rid of them", his grieving father says.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Schulzenfest]

Just a bit better odds than St Kilda but not as good as Footscray.



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The thought process of at least 60 people: "Yeah Port are top of the ladder but they've only beaten shit teams like GWS/West Coast, so they won't win the flag. My tip for the flag is GWS/West Coast.'

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[gbear]

Geez we dodged a massive dickhead bullet

Big brother is so 2000’s, think I only ever watched a bit of the first season.

 

[Hammer#8]

I'm surprised to hear those in the media saying that GWS have been disappointing this year.

For those following AFL the last 4 years the Giants have had pretty consistent mid season runs of poor form. It was really only 2016 that they were a well oiled machine that would smack opposition teams.

 

[OneGreatClub]

 

[Hammer#8]

Geez we dodged a massive dickhead bullet

The Figjam quota at our club is already high enough.

 

[Mundusa]

Any way to watch 360 without a foxtel subscription?

 

[OneGreatClub]

Any way to watch 360 without a foxtel subscription?

Try a free Kayo subscription

 

[PortWTF]

That game had without a doubt the worst umpiring I have ever seen. 38 Free Kicks to 15.

Evidence.

 

[Jojay]

Geez we dodged a massive dickhead bullet

Crikey, Big Brother back on TV?

I haven't watched fta TV in probably 2 years... good to see I ain't missing out on much...

 

[Dalfino]

I actually really like this from Ray. Explains his decisions throughout the game and humanizes how difficult being an umpire can be. I don't particularly blame the umpires themselves for shoddy umpiring when they are expected to relearn the rules every single bloody week as the higher-ups pass down knee-jerk reactions to coaches having a whinge. Aussie Rules is hard to umpire at the best of times, let alone with the constant in-season changes the rule interpretations go through. The idea of a 'judgement call' is interesting as well, as you can only see so much from the umpire's perspective and are expected to make a decision in an instant from the information you have available to you. Easy to sit back with all our fancy camera angles and say he's missed an obvious one when the umpires themselves don't have all of that perspective. Interesting stuff, I like the transparency.

 

[jakey]

I actually really like this from Ray. Explains his decisions throughout the game and humanizes how difficult being an umpire can be. I don't particularly blame the umpires themselves for shoddy umpiring when they are expected to relearn the rules every single bloody week as the higher-ups pass down knee-jerk reactions to coaches having a whinge. Aussie Rules is hard to umpire at the best of times, let alone with the constant in-season changes the rule interpretations go through. The idea of a 'judgement call' is interesting as well, as you can only see so much from the umpire's perspective and are expected to make a decision in an instant from the information you have available to you. Easy to sit back with all our fancy camera angles and say he's missed an obvious one when the umpires themselves don't have all of that perspective. Interesting stuff, I like the transparency.

Focus on vision and value judgements also reinforces how significant unconscious bias for and against particular players and teams must be. e.g.

"Can't really see what happened in that contest, but it's Robbie Gray, he's a bit of a stager innit, no free".
Or "geez that Joel Selwood, he's hard as nails and a top bloke...parp!, high contact".

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Move for parliament to probe Crows camp
NEWS


EXCLUSIVE | The Adelaide Crows and the AFL could be hauled before State Parliament to account for the club’s notorious 2018 preseason camp, with a motion calling for a committee probe into whether workplace laws were breached, InDaily can reveal.

https://indaily.com.au/news/2020/07/22/move-for-parliament-to-probe-crows-camp/

 

[VineValerian]

Any way to watch 360 without a foxtel subscription?

What happens to The Front Bar now?
With 3 weeks of continuous footy, there ain't no room for that to slot in other than in ridiculous times.

 

[Visenfest]

Geez we dodged a massive dickhead bullet

He absolutely should be prouder of his reality TV achievements.

 

[chiwigi]

The oval reviewed its crowd from more than 18,000 to 13,579 for the AFL match between the Adelaide Crows and the St Kilda.

What is the official capacity?

I wish this was a full crowd season just to show them for what they (also) are.

 

[Coobk001]

The oval reviewed its crowd from more than 18,000 to 13,579 for the AFL match between the Adelaide Crows and the St Kilda.

What is the official capacity?

I wish this was a full crowd season just to show them for what they (also) are.

Is this real? They only had 13k there???

 

[OneGreatClub]

The oval reviewed its crowd from more than 18,000 to 13,579 for the AFL match between the Adelaide Crows and the St Kilda.

What is the official capacity?

I wish this was a full crowd season just to show them for what they (also) are.

 

[chiwigi]

Is this real? They only had 13k there???

From the Advertiser, so 'maybe'.