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Yeah he's a larrikin in the making already. Child protection brought him here ;-)Oh Christ, don't let the wokesters see you or they will be on to child protection!!!
These numbers are stark and to claim that Victoria has managed Covid19 badly should not be controversial and not even overtly political. There are 2 ALP led states and 2 ALP led territories that have done a far better job than Victoria. There are 3 Liberal-led states that have done a far better job than Victoria. T
it's just the truth and that's all there is to it.
ANYONE who defends it should be automatically classified as a zealot, and then ignored.
These numbers are stark and to claim that Victoria has managed Covid19 badly should not be controversial and not even overtly political. There are 2 ALP led states and 2 ALP led territories that have done a far better job than Victoria. There are 3 Liberal-led states that have done a far better job than Victoria. T
" Rejoice. Dan Andrews has destroyed the village to save it. "
A very thought-provoking and intelligent piece from Chris Uhlman in the Fairfax(do we still call them that?) press today. It really gets to the heart of the issues around the trade-offs being made right now and whether we are getting our priorities right.
Uhlman is one of the most rational and clear-eyed commentators we have on the political landscape. Even though he is married to a former ALP federal member I would defy anyone to infer a partisan leaning based on his work.
COVID-19 has hammered home some uncomfortable truths about us as a people
As a nation we seem comfortable with authoritarianism and too many relish the role of prefect.www.smh.com.au
The Dan Fans will be at him, but Uhlman has written a couple of gutsy articles like this now & his eye has always been on the long term." Rejoice. Dan Andrews has destroyed the village to save it. "
A very thought-provoking and intelligent piece from Chris Uhlman in the Fairfax(do we still call them that?) press today. It really gets to the heart of the issues around the trade-offs being made right now and whether we are getting our priorities right.
Uhlman is one of the most rational and clear-eyed commentators we have on the political landscape. Even though he is married to a former ALP federal member I would defy anyone to infer a partisan leaning based on his work.
COVID-19 has hammered home some uncomfortable truths about us as a people
As a nation we seem comfortable with authoritarianism and too many relish the role of prefect.www.smh.com.au
It seems that's the way the DHHS uses the data fortunately;If they could just start reporting the non reclassified cases, that would be great.
Only NEW cases should matter.
All good stuff. However, I do wish that people would stop dealing with this pandemic as if were over. On the face of it, that is by no means the case. No judgments can be made at this stage from any angle. When it is over, then and only then, can proper judgment be passed. Up until then, everything is just self-indulgent dross.
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So what I get from that is the new cases are actually the new cases but the (-x reclassified) is removed from previous tallies, not the new daily number.
Yes, it’s pretty clear that Queensland is taking the chocolates at this stage, followed by WA, SA, Tasmania, NSW with Victoria well and truly last.
Only real cases should matter. I think Covidlive is just a private citizen pulling the data together and doesn't have access to the breakdown of reclassified cases. For the purposes of what we are facing reclassified cases are relevant if they impact the 14-day window.If they could just start reporting the non reclassified cases, that would be great.
Only NEW cases should matter.
I read it, I agree it is all heart. Looking at that piece in isolation, he wrote very emotivley and made many statements of certainty without much proof. I liked the part where he invoked sophists and false choices, right after declaring it a good idea to chuck a wall around aged care and liberate everyone else. False choice? Articles like this seem to imply that the reader doesn't need convincing of anything, faith in the authors opinion is enough. I'm out of touch, but if this is insightful and meaningful journalism.. I guess I just don't have the heart for it." Rejoice. Dan Andrews has destroyed the village to save it. "
A very thought-provoking and intelligent piece from Chris Uhlman in the Fairfax(do we still call them that?) press today. It really gets to the heart of the issues around the trade-offs being made right now and whether we are getting our priorities right.
Uhlman is one of the most rational and clear-eyed commentators we have on the political landscape. Even though he is married to a former ALP federal member I would defy anyone to infer a partisan leaning based on his work.
COVID-19 has hammered home some uncomfortable truths about us as a people
As a nation we seem comfortable with authoritarianism and too many relish the role of prefect.www.smh.com.au
I read it, I agree it is all heart. Looking at that piece in isolation, he wrote very emotivley and made many statements of certainty without much proof. I liked the part where he invoked sophists and false choices, right after declaring it a good idea to chuck a wall around aged care and liberate everyone else. False choice? Articles like this seem to imply that the reader doesn't need convincing of anything, faith in the authors opinion is enough. I'm out of touch, but if this is insightful and meaningful journalism.. I guess I just don't have the heart for it.
i said that in an earlier post a couple of pages back - if its reclassified then it does not have to be reported. just say 32 cases and u dont have to have a separate tally in brackets.If they could just start reporting the non reclassified cases, that would be great.
Only NEW cases should matter.
This alone should lead to a royal commission. No skirting about it anymore.
To the second part, the case is that doing one does not impact on doing or not doing the other. False choice.It's an opinion piece and even so had plenty of facts. As for proof, show me where there is proof for anything to do with this pandemic? If you think that throwing a wall around aged care and liberating the rest is a false choice, make your case.
To the second part, the case is that doing one does not impact on doing or not doing the other. False choice.
I guess I'd like to see some supportive substance given to help the reader buy the assertions. In opinion puff like this couldnt they throw in some links to more in depth work that helped them form their opinions? I guess the people consuming the opinion columns have their feelings of trust developed for the authors and the publishers don't feel the need to establish it over and over again in the hope of convincing new readers. Anyway im not consuming so my opinion matters little.
It's an opinion piece and even so had plenty of facts. As for proof, show me where there is proof for anything to do with this pandemic? If you think that throwing a wall around aged care and liberating the rest is a false choice, make your case.
I've made my case several times.
Economic data out of Europe suggests that the key driver of economic decline during COVID is the extent of the outbreak, not the extent of the lockdown. I have linked this at least once here.
Comparative global mental health data suggests that the key driver of mental health decline during COVID is the outbreak, not the lockdown responses to it. Not sure I linked it, but I mentioned somewhere here than Sweden's 'lifeline' calls spiked by 60 per cent, Australia's 30 per cent.
I've linked CDC data here which shows that although deaths for people aged under 65 are low, hospitalization rates are still a significant cause for concern and could collapse our entire health system.
I have linked growing evidence that people who are hospitalised yet don't die are at what I think is an unacceptable risk of long term damage. Let along the unknown long term effects.
I've also made the point, although that's one I made with rhetoric rather than evidence, that identifying and isolating the 'vulnerable' is much more difficult in practice than we are led to believe.
I don't think I need to repeat myself again, and you're probably sick of hearing it, but there is an alternative case.
Economics and IR is my wheelhouse and I think that given Victoria's history (>700 cases per day whilst already in a form of significant restriction) that the risk of infection blowing out of control blows the economics arguments out of the water.
The only argument I see merit in is the ethical argument in relation to personal liberty, in which case as I've stated before, I respect the argument as logically consistent, but I don't see eye to eye with it.
The economics and mental health arguments in particular always compare the 'effect' of the lockdown versus the pre-pandemic baseline, or comparative to countries which haven't had huge outbreaks (or fail to account for the nuances in some countries where the population has pretty much placed itself in voluntary lockdown). They rarely take into account the real risk that the economy will plunge anyway, and evidence is showing roughly to the same degree, if the virus runs rampant.