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List Mgmt. Contracts. Trades. Draft. Other Assorted Crap. 2020 Edition

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West article not facts but speculation ....JK and Hurn out in 2022 , Eagles big bid on Paddy Cripps . Could be a good idea as we may not lose picks as Cripps will be a RFA .
The article based on S Silvagni' s opinion should Carlton have another average season ( no finals ) again ....seems to think Cripps to WCE is a good chance .
Sounds good what could possibly go wrong in the meantime we need to find another Dean Kemp and another wingman like P Matera !!
Kemp = Ainsworth
Matera = Petruccelle
 

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Hickeys trade value (luckily) is actually more than his talent is worth

He is an adequate AFL first ruck who is unfortunately caught behind a star

he’s better than Preuss who is in the same position - but Hickey has proven form

i hope we don’t do a straight swap for someone like Langdon -although the talent would be equivalent - the trade strengths aren’t

hickeys worth about pick 35-40

though I reckon we will get closer to early 20s for him

Langdon from GWS - Hickey will go to the Swans to help keep Alir Alir from the looks of it.

So we will target their pick 22 with Hickey + a 3rd most likely.

Langdon will only cost a 3rd as well.
 
Kemp = Ainsworth
Matera = Petruccelle

Spacey 10 minutes before above post:

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Honestly think our biggest flaw/missing piece is that contested mid, the one who would actually rather the ball bouncing around legs and winning it that way than receiving a clean hitout or handball. The ground ball gets player. Someone who will probably not be our best looking player but get it in the hands of Shuey/Kelly more than they were getting it this year.

In 2018 it was Redden, really lifted and finished 2nd in the BnF and was fantastic in finals, big reason we lept up IMO. That was the best year we'll get out of him, can't see him hitting those heights again. These days would rather him functioning as that 5th mid who kind of tags but is a bit too good for his position, leave him alone at your peril etc.

Looking at midfield compositions (obviously play different styles but reckon Richmond really have the balance right)

Martin > Yeo - Explosive beast type
Shuey - Cotchin - Inside/Outside Pure mid, leader
Kelly - Edwards - Classy mid, can win a contest but you'd rather them delivering it into the 50, can play across half forward if need be
Gaff > McIntosh - winger type, rarely plays a bad game but not really explosive
Sheed - Lambert - icing on top type mid who can kick a sneaky goal
Current Redden > Graham - general mid who can sort of fill a role as needed and play defensive
2018 Rioli - Bolton - scary forward/mid who can get thrown into the centre to really scare teams
Ryan >>>>> Pickett - more of a forward who doesn't really do centre bounces but gets the ball around the ground, Ryan can do a million things Pickett can't though

We need to sort out the Rioli one, get a replacement forward in or get him back (unlikely/impossible next year)

But the main one for me is Prestia - ???

It's not Redden anymore, or at least if it is he's not doing it to the level we need, and it's not the last mid we've been putting in there (Ainsworth, O'Neill, Brander) as we've been playing those guys mostly off a wing in weird space guarding roles.

Our balance in there has been off. Not saying we have to play their game style but worth looking at their player composition, they always look so balanced/versatile in there and I don't think it's a coincidence everything clicked for them the year they landed Prestia. Martin aside he's the one I'd most want to be unavailable when we play the Tigers.

We look too silky and not grunty enough as a unit, too much icing on top and not enough cake. Yeo can't do it all, Martin looks better with Prestia taking up some of the grunt work in there. Naitanui is obviously a billion times better than Nank but think we get guilty of playing to him too much and relying on him winning a superb hitout every time, would rather that just be the bonus of having an elite ruck rather than the entire crux of our gameplan, and inevitably we lose momentum when our backup ruck goes in there.

This is basically just an extremely long winded way of saying I'd take Constable. Or at least identify a player we want to be our Prestia. If it's Ainsworth (contested ball apparently being his strength), then play him like that, cause we haven't been. (I don't reckon it is Ainsworth btw). If it's another player let's go after them. It's been Redden at the moment but again don't think that's something he can bring enough anymore, but still think he can offer a lot as a less crucial cog.

Since the Priddis/Selwood days I reckon as fans we've been stuck in the mindset of pace pace pace, kicking skills kicking skills kicking skills as being the thing we always need, but looking at those lineups don't think we actually concede too much in that department.

There's no options we can realistically afford that can be that player and also have Prestias lack of weaknesses (he's not slow and has decent footskills), but there's players out there that can at least offer his strengths. Jed Anderson would be my #1 but Constable would be good and would also have a look at Blakely for this reason, we'd lament his footskills, we'd probably get annoyed as fans but unlike Freo who have a million of him and no Kelly/Shueys, we actually have a role we'd need him to fill.

We're a missing link off I reckon and think it's doable to get someone to play it.

I'd prefer Will Brodie
 
I'd prefer Will Brodie

I just want Willie back, and another Liam Ryan type plucked from the Kimberly, or somewhere.
 
I'd prefer Will Brodie

Forgot about him, yeah would be great, pretty much just keen on us identifying a player who offers those strengths and playing him in that role rather than the wing space guarding spot we usually throw debutants into. Obviously would want that player to be the best option we've got and agree that Brodie is in top 2-3 of those possible options, over Constable/Blakely
 

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I just want Willie back, and another Liam Ryan type plucked from the Kimberly, or somewhere.

TBH if we got rioli back our forward line is sorted as i am really backing cameron to come on.
 
I am not sure why but Sydney seem to like taking West Coast's 3rd ruckman. We have done it with Seaby, Sinclair and now looks like Hickey.

Think the relationship between the clubs is pretty good as well, respect on the field after the GFs and have made some healthy deals off field in the past, we develop ruckmen well so it's a good apprenticeship for taking greater responsibility at Sydney
 
Picking up langdon and upgrading our draft position via a deal with Sydney (including hickey) would be a successful trade period IMO.

Gained a young player with potential and put us in a better position to recruit a handy midfielder for the future.

WCE players under 25: -Ryan, OAllen, Duggan, Barrass, Cameron, XON, Langdon, Williams, Brander, Waterman, Rotham, Petrucelle, Cole, nelson.

2025 premiership confirmed.
 
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Picking up langdon and upgrading our draft position via a deal with Sydney (including hickey) would be a successful trade period IMO.

Gained a young player with potential and put us in a better position to recruit a handy midfielder for the future.

WCE players under 25: -Ryan, OAllen, Duggan, Barrass, Cameron, XON, Langdon, Williams, Brander, Waterman, Rotham, Petrucelle, Cole, nelson.

2025 premiership confirmed.
1 midfielder under 25? I suppose Ainsworth hardly deserves a mention
 
Picking up langdon and upgrading our draft position via a deal with Sydney (including hickey) would be a successful trade period IMO.

Gained a young player with potential and put us in a better position to recruit a handy midfielder for the future.
1 midfielder under 25? I suppose Ainsworth hardly deserves a mention
I'm just spitting facts. I expect Duggan to transition into the midfield and likely to pick up a relatively high midfield prospect in the draft this year.

Not forgetting in 2025 the midfield will still include Kelly, Gaff, Sheed, Duggan (?).
 

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Simmo never mentions trades and such so maybe he is keen for certain players to change to make up of the squad.

Landgon is a massive upgrade on Ah Chee as a forward. Ah Chee got me should have only ever been in the team as a HFF/mid rotation which he was used all but once this year ( When Shuey got injured mid year and did a good job in that game). He has 0 defensive skills and that hurt us big time , whereas Langdon isn't your flashly and kick lots of goals kind of player nuy he is a player that has the defensive aspect to his game in spades.
 

Geelong defender Jordan Clark will likely stay at the club, according to AFL Trade Radio’s Mitch Cleary.

The 20-year-old Western Australian native has repeatedly been linked with a move to his home state in the upcoming trade period, as he struggles to lock down a place in the Cats’ side.

Despite playing just three times in 2020, Cleary said it was “hard to see” Geelong allowing him to leave.

“It looks like Jordan Clark is staying at this point,” he said on AFL Trade Radio’s AFL Exchange.

“He’s got two years on a contract and it's hard to see the Cats parting with him right now."

In other trade news, Cleary believes West Coast midfielder Jarrod Brander could be a target for opposition clubs after struggling for game time in 2020.

Jarrod Brander is definitely gettable,” he said.

“I just don’t think the interest is as strong as the Eagles were expecting.

“He’s a required player and a contracted player at the Eagles, but if they were a compelling offer to come from somewhere else, they would certainly look at it.

“He has only played a handful of games, was tried at both ends and this year and was played on a wing, but he hasn’t been able to nail a spot (in the team).

“With their key posts well stocked, it looks like he’ll have to reinvent himself to get into that best 22 at West Coast.”
 
Picking up langdon and upgrading our draft position via a deal with Sydney (including hickey) would be a successful trade period IMO.

Gained a young player with potential and put us in a better position to recruit a handy midfielder for the future.

WCE players under 25: -Ryan, OAllen, Duggan, Barrass, Cameron, XON, Langdon, Williams, Brander, Waterman, Rotham, Petrucelle, Cole, nelson.

2025 premiership confirmed.

NOrmally i'd be keen to see picks "upgraded" - but with this year being strange given the lack of displayed talent - getting picks in the 1st round isn't as essential - nor is losing our pick 10 to Geelong.

3 battery of picks from 25-40 would sufficient if we could arrange it - just as likely to get talent there as picks 10-15 IMO
 
Geelong defender Jordan Clark will likely stay at the club, according to AFL Trade Radio’s Mitch Cleary.

The 20-year-old Western Australian native has repeatedly been linked with a move to his home state in the upcoming trade period, as he struggles to lock down a place in the Cats’ side.

Despite playing just three times in 2020, Cleary said it was “hard to see” Geelong allowing him to leave.

Brander for Clark probably is a fair deal - both have fallen dramatically in value in the past 12 months
 

Geelong defender Jordan Clark will likely stay at the club, according to AFL Trade Radio’s Mitch Cleary.

The 20-year-old Western Australian native has repeatedly been linked with a move to his home state in the upcoming trade period, as he struggles to lock down a place in the Cats’ side.

Despite playing just three times in 2020, Cleary said it was “hard to see” Geelong allowing him to leave.

“It looks like Jordan Clark is staying at this point,” he said on AFL Trade Radio’s AFL Exchange.

“He’s got two years on a contract and it's hard to see the Cats parting with him right now."

In other trade news, Cleary believes West Coast midfielder Jarrod Brander could be a target for opposition clubs after struggling for game time in 2020.

Jarrod Brander is definitely gettable,” he said.

“I just don’t think the interest is as strong as the Eagles were expecting.

“He’s a required player and a contracted player at the Eagles, but if they were a compelling offer to come from somewhere else, they would certainly look at it.

“He has only played a handful of games, was tried at both ends and this year and was played on a wing, but he hasn’t been able to nail a spot (in the team).

“With their key posts well stocked, it looks like he’ll have to reinvent himself to get into that best 22 at West Coast.”
Brander is a top liner low mialage mid - two first rounders thanks TR
 
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