List Mgmt. 2020 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread - Part 2

[Taylor]

He's just visiting his dad. Given the opportunity to train with an AFL club, most youngsters would say yes He's still in the Freo NGA and playing for Peel (he has their shorts on in the training pics).

There is a picture of Liam Henry wearing Melbourne shorts before the draft too.

 

[raffrox]

There is a picture of Liam Henry wearing Melbourne shorts before the draft too.

I remember the kerfuffle that caused at the time!

 

[Taylor]

I count 38 players.
This isn't how I worked it out, I highlighted the names on my spreadsheet and it came to 38 but we have these numbers available:
1, 3, 17, 23, 24, 35, 38, 40, 46, 47

With Leno holding 48. 48 minus ten available numbers is 38.

Hughes, Schultz, Bewley, Banfield, Watson as the rookies and Thomas as the cat-B.

= 1 rookie list selection maximum to hit that 6 max number.

32 primary list = 4 picks minimum, five picks maximum with the number of committed to rookies (including Banfield)

If there is a player we would like to pick in the rookie draft who will take more than a season to have shown his value at AFL level, such as a tall player, then it might be worth picking him with our last pick in the national draft - for five selections, no rookie picks other than Banfield.

We have to choose to pass on that selection anyway so going to the rookie draft would only afford the clubs after us in the national draft and before us in the rookie draft to take that player first.

Is the $80,000 salary cap impact going to be that critical?

 

[wayToGo_]

This isn't how I worked it out, I highlighted the names on my spreadsheet and it came to 38 but we have these numbers available:
1, 3, 17, 23, 24, 35, 38, 40, 46, 47

Banfield #41 isn't on our list atm.

 

[Joao]

I think we currently have 37 on our list in total (that includes 5 rookies inc. Schultz and Bewley - one is Cat B - Thomas). If we take 4 in the ND (including Walker and Western) and then Banfield on the rookie list that leaves us with 42 total and only 36 on the main list (can have 38). Even if we take another Cat A rookie we'll still have a free main list spot that we can fill in the SPP if we wanted or the MSD irrespective of injuries.

Western is not going to last to Cat B. That would become the new Ikea ad.

Banfield #41 isn't on our list atm.

I'm almost 100% sure we will take 4 ND, Banfield and a rookie/SSP. I have our full list at home and I am sure that's how much room we have + Bell said we want 6 rookies.

 

[wayToGo_]

I'm almost 100% sure we will take 4 ND, Banfield and a rookie/SSP. I have our full list at home and I am sure that's how much room we have + Bell said we want 6 rookies.

Yes 6 Cat A rookies (Hughes, Watson, Schultz, Bewley, +1, +Banfield) plus Thomas as a Cat B. So 7 total.

32 main list (currently) plus 4 picked via ND = 36 total.

36+7=43 (1 less than max of 44 - and that spot is a main list spot if we want).

 

[Joao]

Yes 6 Cat A rookies (Hughes, Watson, Schultz, Bewley, +1, +Banfield) plus Thomas as a Cat B. So 7 total.

32 main list (currently) plus 4 picked via ND = 36 total.

36+7=43 (1 less than max of 44 - and that spot is a main list spot if we want).

I don't think that is correct. That spot can only be Cat B I think.

 

[wayToGo_]

I don't think that is correct. That spot can only be Cat B I think.

Ok that's not how I read this...

New AFL player pay deal reached, list sizes revealed

Players will be asked to take a pay cut of 3.5 per cent in 2021

www.afl.com.au

The minimum list size for each club will be 37, which can be made up by as little as 36 senior listed players and one rookie.

To reach 44, clubs can carry 36-38 senior listed players, four-to-six Category A rookies and two Category B rookies.

edit - obviously depends if the 36-38 is related to the 4-6. So hard to find something clear about this.

 

[DaveLister]

If Walker and Western get bid where we have planned for by shifting points, to avoid a deficit in next year's second round draft pick. Then our 5th pick in the national draft is likely the last pick in the national draft 55ish

If our first rookie selection is approximately the 62nd pick overall (55ish in the national draft). Then we can still snag a potential Luke Ryan with 1 year and 80k less commitment.

I don't think this year's draft crop is any less quality than other recent drafts, just more speculative. The speculative nature makes the less-risky rookie option better

 

[theGav56]

The rumor is that while it is reported that Sumich said Trew is sooky, what he actually said was “It is true that both Walker and Western are sooky”. Such a pity, and I expect them both to slide.

 

[Superkoops]

More likely we go into 2021 with less than 44 on our list and have a spot available to use if we need.

Because we only nominated Joel Western and Brandon Walker (not Chris Walker nor Haddow) and in the unlikely event Walker or Western don’t get bid on in the main draft, at which point we can add one of them as cat B, we have preferred 36 + 6 + 1

My understanding of the SSP is that you need to have one rookie spot available to be able to add a player via this process.

We could promote a rookie player to primary list (ie Hughes) or move someone to inactive list via injury.

To me with Hugh signing with East Freo we will wait until mid season draft and consider Hugh along with other players for a spot on rookie list. I think this good list management considering the circumstances.

 

[DMan 11]

Listening to sumich yesterday confirmed for me why he was never employed as a senior coach- he’s an absolute goose...
He lost me when he suggested we trade down to get DGB or Chapman - a position we have surplus numbers in.
A number of other things he said left me shaking my head but most of all, he struggles with basic communication skills - to call a hard working, emotionally invested 18yr kid a ‘sook’ on radio is case in point.


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[dont bowl there]

Pathetic from Sumich.

 

[Wilksyy]

Has a KPF in their playing days ever made a good AFL coach? Always felt to be a good KPF you need to be somewhat full of yourself hence why so many of them are in media today.

 

[Joao]

Ok that's not how I read this...

New AFL player pay deal reached, list sizes revealed

Players will be asked to take a pay cut of 3.5 per cent in 2021

www.afl.com.au

The minimum list size for each club will be 37, which can be made up by as little as 36 senior listed players and one rookie.

To reach 44, clubs can carry 36-38 senior listed players, four-to-six Category A rookies and two Category B rookies.

edit - obviously depends if the 36-38 is related to the 4-6. So hard to find something clear about this.

"To reach 44... two Category B rookies"

Pretty sure that is the give away.

Has a KPF in their playing days ever made a good AFL coach? Always felt to be a good KPF you need to be somewhat full of yourself hence why so many of them are in media today.

Reckon Pav and Roo would go alright if they were interested.

 

[Wilksyy]

Reckon Pav and Roo would go alright if they were interested.

I would put Pav in the versatile KPP category, those guys tend to make decent coaches, Longmire, Paul Roos, etc.

 

[Okinakashi]

Has a KPF in their playing days ever made a good AFL coach?

I Bloody hope so...

 

[Wilksyy]

I Bloody hope so...

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Would put him in the versatile KPP category. Im talking your more hardcore Full Forwards, CHF's like Wayne Carey, Lockett, Sumich and Fevola's. I do think Matty Lloyd could make a decent AFL coach but might be too intense.

 

[theGav56]

Has a KPF in their playing days ever made a good AFL coach? Always felt to be a good KPF you need to be somewhat full of yourself hence why so many of them are in media today.

Malcolm Blight.

 

[Square Peg]

Has a KPF in their playing days ever made a good AFL coach? Always felt to be a good KPF you need to be somewhat full of yourself hence why so many of them are in media today.

Longmire is the second best coach in the afl

 

[fnerd]

Smacks of Darling. I reckon he is trying to sook his way down to the Eagles and Sumich is helping

This is first thing I thought of when I read it.
I remember one of the first articles I read of Trew it was mentioned how west coast were big fans.
Also Interesting how this is all coming out now , close to draft time.
If he was indeed a noted “Sook” surely this would of been at least mentioned somewhere in one of the copius amounts of draft write ups over the year??

 

[eastfreo75]

The rumor is that while it is reported that Sumich said Trew is sooky, what he actually said was “It is true that both Walker and Western are sooky”. Such a pity, and I expect them both to slide.

Takes one to know one. Sumich is the biggest sook of them all.

 

[theGav56]

Takes one to know one. Sumich is the biggest sook of them all.

A statement like that should call his position working with the young guys into question.

 

[Scham]

A statement like that should call his position working with the young guys into question.

I think he’s finished in that role and no longer involved.

 

[schmuttt]

He's just visiting his dad. Given the opportunity to train with an AFL club, most youngsters would say yes He's still in the Freo NGA and playing for Peel (he has their shorts on in the training pics).

Has he shown enough to be picked up this year?