owen87
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I've never heard of a female to male transgender wanting to play mens sports, just sayin.
Pretty tough for you to be respectful of others, isn't it?
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I've never heard of a female to male transgender wanting to play mens sports, just sayin.
No need for hysterics now.Are you being a flog deliberately or what?
Why the quotation marks around the name and why are you using masculine pronouns for someone that is now female?
You can have an opinion on the current debate without the need to be an ignoramus
No not really.Pretty tough for you to be respectful of others, isn't it?
No not really.
I didn't know the term was disrespectful, are you genuinely outraged or are you outraged on behalf of someone else? There's a lot of that going around.Apparently it is, given your posting on this topic.
Whether you agree with their choices or not, referring to people as 'transgenders' is pretty disrespectful, particularly when you know that someone posting in this thread has been pretty respectful about answering questions and sharing their views and experiences on the topic.
I didn't know the term was disrespectful, are you genuinely outraged or are you outraged on behalf of someone else? There's a lot of that going around.
I called her a he when she was a he, see?Not at all outraged, just seems a consistent theme where people posting on this topic lose any semblance of respect for other people, so when someone new comes along posting and calling kirsti a he, I think it's pretty poor form.
I called her a he when she was a he, see?
Yes I understood that the first time.
I suppose the same argument was conducive to indigenous people back in the day.
Not at all outraged, just seems a consistent theme where people posting on this topic lose any semblance of respect for other people, so when someone new comes along posting and calling kirsti a he, I think it's pretty poor form.
Imposition of mandatory meanings, especially when they are changes to longstanding customary meaning, are thought inhibitors.
No, I know exactly how social media works. It's an echo chamber for the morally outraged, a vehicle for the Karen's of the world to make themselves feel important and 'heard', a place were the emotions of certain minority groups claim to be more important than anything else. Basically the domain of nutters.
Now replace 'social media' with 'the AFL' and read it again.
You're definitely coming across as being outraged
Yeah i get it, i can come across that way, it wasn't intended though.Maybe it's not intended as a disrespectful thing in your case, in which case I apologise for lumping you in with all the posters who have cropped up in this thread and clearly do intend these things disrespectfully.
Comparing the trans issue with past indigenous treatment is actually damn disrespectful and callous to all they have been thought and still go through.
Helpful hints: I would keep such comparisons to your anonymous online persona and not air them in public.
Grown ups are able to discuss differing points of view understanding that not everyone is from the same cultural/social background and had the same life experiences.
Without presuming exactly what your view point actually is, cancelling your account because 'some' ppl don't think the same as you is the non 'grown up' position to take.
I'm sure kirsti can defend themselves, but having seen their posting over time and the monumental amount of tolerance shown when people refuse to discuss anything on this topic respectfully, I think the comment is quite reasonable.
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ama-transgender-player-kirsti-miller.1105520/ for example should give you some context around kirsti.
People don't have to agree with kirsti's position, but I do think we can be respectful of the person and have a discussion without the more toxic comments people make.
I agree but the reality is that expectation really goes only one way doesn't it?
I mean my comment you quoted has been deleted already.
We've just got women playing the game and now some think they should be expected to play against females who were born male, sure i get the testosterone thing but males are typically born with much larger skeletal structures.
Lots of people are unable to play sport for a vast variety of reasons, unfortuantly being transgender should be one of them, unless they choose to play (in this case) in a mens comp. (IMO)
Depends how people present their argument I guess, I think it's fine to disagree with the premise Mouncey is arguing, so long as it's done so in a way that respects the individual. We're pretty ok with not using language that would obviously offend other groups of people these days.