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List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part I

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Delisted;
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Traded;
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Retired;
Jake Carlisle
Shaun McKernan

Current Players Out of Contract;
3. Zak Jones - Link
6. Sebastian Ross (RFA) - Link
7. Luke Dunstan (RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie - Link
15. Jack Billings (RFA) - Link
18. Patrick Ryder - Link
24. James Frawley - Link
25. Dean Kent - Link
38. Oscar Clavarino - Link
39. Darragh Joyce - Link
41. Paul Hunter - Link
42. Max Heath - Link
45. Sam Alabakis - Link


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Moorabbin Ghost said:
Committing 4+ years and $3.2M is not a “free hit”. That’s embarrassing list management.
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I think the actual cost is closer to 4 years and $2.2M once you take away the money that would have needed to go back to the AFL.

I suppose we could have signed Acres on for another couple of years @ $800k in order to spend the money. Probably not good list management either.
 
Joffaboy said:
Thats an AFL rule
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Isn't tat where you pay 92% of the cap over 4 years then if you don't use the gap you lose the ability to use it? I don't think you have to pay it, just don't get to roll it over.
 
Winmar2Lockett said:
We should have just paid Dunstan $700k and Acres $800k


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We did pay them anyway. Most of our spuds were on huge money because when you pay the minimum cap and don't have good players you have to distribute it or over pay a few. Billings is on more than Dangerfield.
 
EWarren2017 said:
If Billings goes to North he will become a very very average player. Not at all what they need
Would be a disaster for them.
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They are getting a midfield together. If they could nab Kelly and Billings and front load the hell out of them they will be getting a very good unit together. They ned a KPF and with those two would be starting to look very competitive. Stephenson was looking good in the midfield before he went down and LDU and Simpkin both look on track to be high level players. Mc Kay is going to be a rock for another 8 years. They seem to be stealthily building up.
 

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bird_man said:
I was more referring to the fact they got a multiple All Australian straight out of a country footy league rather than the position he plays.

I'd definitely take it if either of those two and up as good as Stewart though.
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I maybe wrong but I thought Stewart played for Geelong in VFL before he was drafted.

A mate in Adelaide said Highmore was a cracker and a great pick up. Will help once the backline gets settled, that why I'm desperate for us to find a chb.

Early days yet but .....................

Thomas Stewart and Tom Highmore AFL Stats Comparison

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pebblesofsand said:
I maybe wrong but I thought Stewart played for Geelong in VFL before he was drafted.

A mate in Adelaide said Highmore was a cracker and a great pick up. Will help once the backline gets settled, that why I'm desperate for us to find a chb.

Early days yet but .....................

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You may be right. I thought he was drafted straight from the Geelong footy league but he may have played for their VFL side in between.

Highmore looks very promising no doubt. I'll be stoked if he ever gets to Stewart's level. He was very good in the NEAFL for a few years too but it was hard to get recognition playing in that league.

I think we've probably seen enough from Wilkie to know he's probably just a good solid back wont ever get to that level.

Highmore definitely has a higher ceiling IMO. No pun intended.
 
Moorabbin Ghost said:
Committing 4+ years and $3.2M is not a “free hit”. That’s embarrassing list management.
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Because it turned out to be a chronically injured Hanners, yes.
Who else would we have given it to? Players who didn’t deserve it?
 
gringo2011 said:
We did pay them anyway. Most of our spuds were on huge money because when you pay the minimum cap and don't have good players you have to distribute it or over pay a few. Billings is on more than Dangerfield.
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Thats kinda the point.

We continue over pay existing players or bring in a bloke who played hurt for a year but who, at his best, was exactly what we needed.

Its not like we gave him a bigger deal, we just took over the last few years of what he was on at the Swans, added 2 years with a trigger for another.

Its funny how Hannebery has become the lightning rod for this season when he’s had literally zero influence.

We may as well as blame Robbo.


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Winmar2Lockett said:
We didn’t really have a choice about bottoming out.

The mismanagement of the cap meant we had to lose senior players & we had a group of ageing superstars on megabucks. Getting kids in (ironically what everyone is harping about now) was the only option.


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As BJ stated long ago, no one ever asked him to take a pay cut.
I believe it just suited the Pelican's agenda. He came in with the intention of gutting the list and that was that.
 
Having both a Salary Floor and a cap on total list size remains the most baffling thing about about the playing group structures in place for the league. Like, the "Rookie List" is a joke, and there's things which need to be restructured out there, or at least renamed, but when the biggest potential disparity that can occur is that bottom teams pay 44 players 93% of what 38 players earn on the top teams, lots of players are gonna have an "above market salary", just because it has to end up somewhere. Irks the **** out of me that you can't just, idk take as many rookies as you can fit in the Cap.
 
gringo2011 said:
Isn't tat where you pay 92% of the cap over 4 years then if you don't use the gap you lose the ability to use it? I don't think you have to pay it, just don't get to roll it over.
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https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-paying-105-per-cent-of-salary-cap-20200303-p546km.html
Carlton are spending 105 per cent of the salary cap in 2020, using the AFL’s ‘‘banking’’ system to maximise player payments and leave themselves room to recruit seasoned players for next year and beyond.

The Blues have taken advantage of the rule that allows clubs to spend over the salary cap by up to five per cent, if they have underspent on players in the two previous seasons and have room to trade in more players this October.

The Blues have some contracts front-ended — with heavy payments upfront — that will give them space for another aggressive post-season, despite spending 105 per cent of the limit, as the AFL rules allow via ‘‘banking’’ from 2018 and 2019 when they spent below the salary cap.
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People should remember around that time, we offered huge contracts to guys like Fyfe, Shiel, Josh Kelly, maybe Dustin Martin? And none of them wanted to come. We had money to burn. Hannebery hasn’t worked out, it’s been a disaster even I can’t defend that anymore, but landing Hannebery hasn’t stopped us from landing anyone else.
 

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jwikked said:
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-paying-105-per-cent-of-salary-cap-20200303-p546km.html


People should remember around that time, we offered huge contracts to guys like Fyfe, Shiel, Josh Kelly, maybe Dustin Martin? And none of them wanted to come. We had money to burn. Hannebery hasn’t worked out, it’s been a disaster even I can’t defend that anymore, but landing Hannebery hasn’t stopped us from landing anyone else.
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It's a good point. I sometimes look at the guys we offered big money to. As much as Hill and Hanners haven't given us value for money on the field I wonder how we'd feel if we had Fyfe, Shiel or Kelly running around getting between $1.3 mill and $1.5 mill a year.
I couldn't any one of those players added to our current team making too much difference (except giving us someone else to blame).
 
Winmar2Lockett said:
Thats kinda the point.

We continue over pay existing players or bring in a bloke who played hurt for a year but who, at his best, was exactly what we needed.

Its not like we gave him a bigger deal, we just took over the last few years of what he was on at the Swans, added 2 years with a trigger for another.

Its funny how Hannebery has become the lightning rod for this season when he’s had literally zero influence.

We may as well as blame Robbo.


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I would say it's more to do with him breaking down again and that deal looking worse and worse every time he misses a game. He's in a the top wage earners of the whole competition and he's not able to get on the park and there were obvious signs that he was unlikely to get back to full health. It takes a lot of positive thinking to make it seem like an okay trade.
 
jwikked said:
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-paying-105-per-cent-of-salary-cap-20200303-p546km.html


People should remember around that time, we offered huge contracts to guys like Fyfe, Shiel, Josh Kelly, maybe Dustin Martin? And none of them wanted to come. We had money to burn. Hannebery hasn’t worked out, it’s been a disaster even I can’t defend that anymore, but landing Hannebery hasn’t stopped us from landing anyone else.
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Well if we now have no room in our current cap and he's still being paid $650k pa then he is. We couldn't afford Treloar last year and dropped out of the caldwell race because we didn't have room.
 

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Moorabbin Ghost said:
Literally anybody.
And you think Hannebery does deserve it?!
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Injury-wise in retrospect no, and I wasn’t keen on him from the first based on rumours of his behaviour. I do understand why they did it though.

My question was, though, who else was available and interested in coming?
Was there someone else we missed by taking him at that stage when there was a “use it or lose it” issue with the salary cap money?

Honest question, because I don’t remember who, if anyone, was available.
 
Diehard Saint said:
Injury-wise in retrospect no, and I wasn’t keen on him from the first based on rumours of his behaviour. I do understand why they did it though.

My question was, though, who else was available and interested in coming?
Was there someone else we missed by taking him at that stage when there was a “use it or lose it” issue with the salary cap money?

Honest question, because I don’t remember who, if anyone, was available.
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Much better forfeiting the cap money than making dumb decisions. From the moment we heard in the interest in Hannebery we all knew that this was going to be the outcome. His body was not up to the demands of professional football.
To give him 4 years and $3M + was absolutely ridiculous.
 
ScrappyDo said:
As BJ stated long ago, no one ever asked him to take a pay cut.
I believe it just suited the Pelican's agenda. He came in with the intention of gutting the list and that was that.
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BJ wanted more $ and to be captain.

Asking him to take a pay cut probably wasn’t likely in that situation.


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Moorabbin Ghost said:
I think Lethers was just unlucky with the Hannebery deal. He was the only person in Australia at the time who didn’t think it was a shocking contract.
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My mate up in Sydney reckons they were laughing their heads off around the club up there when we signed Hanners, and still can't believe it.
 
gringo2011 said:
I would say it's more to do with him breaking down again and that deal looking worse and worse every time he misses a game. He's in a the top wage earners of the whole competition and he's not able to get on the park and there were obvious signs that he was unlikely to get back to full health. It takes a lot of positive thinking to make it seem like an okay trade.
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I don’t think Hannebery is anywhere near the top wage earners in the comp. It was $800k a year & was front loaded.

It wasn’t an okay trade but it not a trade that has brought the club to its knees, destroyed club culture, etc like some have stated.

Its not even in the ball park of trades like Beames or Gibbs.


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Moorabbin Ghost said:
Much better forfeiting the cap money than making dumb decisions. From the moment we heard in the interest in Hannebery we all knew that this was going to be the outcome. His body was not up to the demands of professional football.
To give him 4 years and $3M + was absolutely ridiculous.
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Forfeiting the cap money would have been a dumb decision.


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