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List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part I

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Jake Carlisle
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Current Players Out of Contract;
3. Zak Jones - Link
6. Sebastian Ross (RFA) - Link
7. Luke Dunstan (RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie - Link
15. Jack Billings (RFA) - Link
18. Patrick Ryder - Link
24. James Frawley - Link
25. Dean Kent - Link
38. Oscar Clavarino - Link
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41. Paul Hunter - Link
42. Max Heath - Link
45. Sam Alabakis - Link


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g_TRAIN said:
He doesn't keep breaking down though.

He's had two totally unrelated injuries that have been long-term ones.
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He’s had more than that, generally I wouldn’t worry about it but he wasn’t super quick to begin with and relies more on agility.

I’d like to see him drop about 5 kg and play as a small forward who gets some midfield minutes rather than a full time mid.
 
MrFoster said:
The only thing we learnt from gresham’s injury is he should not be played in the guts full time, playing against big bodies/bang and crash types is not good for his long gevity, he should play forward and have stints in the midfield only.
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Agree 100%, he is not a midfielder but a very clever forward, makes a few mistakes but generally pretty good as a half forward or in the pocket, twice as good as Lonie and Butler
 
Yawkey way said:
He’s had more than that, generally I wouldn’t worry about it but he wasn’t super quick to begin with and relies more on agility.

I’d like to see him drop about 5 kg and play as a small forward who gets some midfield minutes rather than a full time mid.
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He's not that quick but he's kick over the first few steps which is what matters most.

Agreed he should keep his weight down, I think he actually had dropped a few kgs over this pre-season
 

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bird_man said:
Its going to be tough to get any recruits to the club thisyear after such a dismall year.

The only way is if we over pay players which we just can't afford to keep doing.
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Exactly, very hard to get a top midfielder, so I cant see the point in trying. Better to look at a couple of players in the $3/400k bracket who are young, no injuries and some upside. Maybe another Steele and/or Membrey, that would be fantastic if we could.
 
gringo2011 said:
Yeah, I don't think he is someone we could afford and his injury history is probably out of the question after Hanners. I don't remember him ever being as good as this year but perhaps it's just been too long. I remember great games but not consistent output.
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He went missing for a while and had a few injury issues but his best is very good and he’s certainly the type of player we need.

I‘m pretty sure he’s not on our radar and I’m fine with that I’d rather draft Callaghan and get some control of our cap. If you want to screw your team and the cap just don’t draft for a few years and see how that works out. I’m open to trading anyone if the deal is right and anyone who addresses our weaknesses is of interest to me at the right price but we must use our early draft picks.

If we don’t hit the draft this year I’m really quite worried we could have some painful years a head. I’ve been watching the swimming, our guys should have tuned in to see some truly elite sports people many of whom make next to nothing Going about their busines. Remember when our guys went to London and trained with Daly Thompson, seb coe and Steve cram, it seem to work well for that group. Maybe it gave them some insight into setting goals, sacrifice and what it takes to be elite.
 
BrutThough said:
No one. He will be offered he is worth and if thats at another club, we will get a 2nd round pick to show for it.
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Better keep him then because a second will have burning pitchforks in Linton street.

I like billings he’s a very good player just not necessarily worth $750,000 plus to us but I’d have no hesitation paying him $600,000. I hope we are too smart to fall for the same gag as Adelaide with crouch that would be a terrible result.

We need to show him some love and offer enough so that anything the beats it easily will get us a first rounder.
 
MrFoster said:
The only thing we learnt from gresham’s injury is he should not be played in the guts full time, playing against big bodies/bang and crash types is not good for his long gevity, he should play forward and have stints in the midfield only.
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We didn't learn that at all.

Neither of his injuries have been the result of bash and crash... the back in more likely due to poor gym technique. The achilles could have gone anywhere on the ground.

The only thing we learnt was that our midfield dropped it's bag & went home as soon as Gresh got hurt. Two years in a row.

He's our most dynamic mid and we've missed him terribly. Hopefully we get him some support soon.
 
Munga said:
I think you might be right about not having the best body to be in the midfield...
I'm not a medical expert, but people have said that his back stress fracture was due to overload, he wasn't rested during the high run of games we had last year... and then this year that his achilles was caused in part by lack of conditioning.
Forward line for me.
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The back was more likely overload in the gym or fitness work.

The achilles was a freak injury... from my knowledge, he would have been more likely to ping his calf if it was a conditioning issue.
 
They are both pretty random injuries for a small bloke.

Usually tall guys have more back issues (eg. Carlisle) and achilles seem to be pretty random.

At least as we have seen with KD (nba), it hopefully won't ruin his career. The injury management for it has improved a lot. But I am still worried that he will lose some of explosiveness (he has never been super quick).

So frustrating that he can't get a good run at it!
 
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Yawkey way said:
Better keep him then because a second will have burning pitchforks in Linton street.

I like billings he’s a very good player just not necessarily worth $750,000 plus to us but I’d have no hesitation paying him $600,000. I hope we are too smart to fall for the same gag as Adelaide with crouch that would be a terrible result.

We need to show him some love and offer enough so that anything the beats it easily will get us a first rounder.
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Agreed, losing him for a 2nd rounder would be terrible for us.

Hopefully he stays.
 
Winmar2Lockett said:
The back was more likely overload in the gym or fitness work.

The achilles was a freak injury... from my knowledge, he would have been more likely to ping his calf if it was a conditioning issue.
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He had a posterior cruciate as well, he has an uncanny ability to find the football wherever he plays so let’s hope he’s back and firing next year.
 
BrutThough said:
Marshall is the same age as Sinclair, Steel
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gringo2011 said:
The indictment for me was that AA list. No other club has had such a terrible run with AAs drafted into the club. Literally since the early 2000s, it shows where our priorities lie.
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From Roughly 2008 , we have had as “OUR” 1st picks in the Draft : McCartin - pick 1 , Billings - pick 3 , King - pick 4 , Clark - pick 7 , Tom Lynch - pick 13 , Gresham -18 , Cripps and Wright were both pick 24 in their respective years as Ross and Long were pick 25 in theirs. Allison was 26 , Nick Winmar was a pick 30ish , and Byrnes was pick 50ish. So when you see it laid out , there is a pattern of trading out our 1st Rounders , though King , Clark and Gresham may become AA still , which would highlight needing to be at the pointy end of a draft with your 1st pick in it , rather than starting in the 2nd Round. If you add 2nd Rounders or selections you’ll get Acres , Goddard , Spencer White and guys like that , giving you more of a picture. That’s why some NFL general managers have policies of only trading up early in the draft and never trading back , until the latter rounds. We need to keep our early picks , as it somewhat inhibits the ability of piss-poor recruiters stuffing it up. Then the AA’s will come.
 
AFLOnline said:
Wtf?

a freak torn Achilles has nothing to do with banging and crashing




his body type is fine - not much different to guys like Gary Ablett junior and Sam Mitchell who played a plethora of games in the guts
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People seem to conflate those freak injuries and bone breaks with soft tissue injuries that actually do become more likely after having a history. Breaks and random things don’t tend to have that compounding risk of reoccurance though.
Geary for example is nowhere near as injury prone as Hanners even though they’ve both played a similar amount in the last couple years. Hanners keeps reinjuring the same hamstrings and calves. Geary has been unlucky with freak accidents like breaking his leg, the compartment syndrome from the corky, the shoulder.
 
DGontheQT said:
From Roughly 2008 , we have had as “OUR” 1st picks in the Draft : McCartin - pick 1 , Billings - pick 3 , King - pick 4 , Clark - pick 7 , Tom Lynch - pick 13 , Gresham -18 , Cripps and Wright were both pick 24 in their respective years as Ross and Long were pick 25 in theirs. Allison was 26 , Nick Winmar was a pick 30ish , and Byrnes was pick 50ish. So when you see it laid out , there is a pattern of trading out our 1st Rounders , though King , Clark and Gresham may become AA still , which would highlight needing to be at the pointy end of a draft with your 1st pick in it , rather than starting in the 2nd Round. If you add 2nd Rounders or selections you’ll get Acres , Goddard , Spencer White and guys like that , giving you more of a picture. That’s why some NFL general managers have policies of only trading up early in the draft and never trading back , until the latter rounds. We need to keep our early picks , as it somewhat inhibits the ability of piss-poor recruiters stuffing it up. Then the AA’s will come.
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Goddard and DMac were first rounders too I think. Those early years a lot of early picks were given over to the expansion clubs. 8 of the first 11 picks went to Gold Coast including the first 3 in 2010. Next year GWS got 9 of the first 11 including the first 5. And we decided to bottom out and trade out for picks. Pelican was an interesting dude.
 
gringo2011 said:
Goddard and DMac were first rounders too I think. Those early years a lot of early picks were given over to the expansion clubs. 8 of the first 11 picks went to Gold Coast including the first 3 in 2010. Next year GWS got 9 of the first 11 including the first 5. And we decided to bottom out and trade out for picks. Pelican was an interesting dude.
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What did we get in return for Dal, Goddard and McEvoy? Absolutely disaster
 

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gringo2011 said:
Goddard and DMac were first rounders too I think. Those early years a lot of early picks were given over to the expansion clubs. 8 of the first 11 picks went to Gold Coast including the first 3 in 2010. Next year GWS got 9 of the first 11 including the first 5. And we decided to bottom out and trade out for picks. Pelican was an interesting dude.
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It was the worst time in the history of the AFL to adopt that strategy. Pelican ripped the heart out of the playing group.
 
gringo2011 said:
Goddard and DMac were first rounders too I think. Those early years a lot of early picks were given over to the expansion clubs. 8 of the first 11 picks went to Gold Coast including the first 3 in 2010. Next year GWS got 9 of the first 11 including the first 5. And we decided to bottom out and trade out for picks. Pelican was an interesting dude.
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We didn’t really have a choice about bottoming out.

The mismanagement of the cap meant we had to lose senior players & we had a group of ageing superstars on megabucks. Getting kids in (ironically what everyone is harping about now) was the only option.


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CaptainRisky said:
How did you work that out ?
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I didn't. It was mentioned on another forum by someone more qualified than I.

g_TRAIN said:
He doesn't keep breaking down though.

He's had two totally unrelated injuries that have been long-term ones.
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True, two breakdowns probably aren't enough to form a trend.
As I mentioned above, more qualified people have stated that his back injury was from workload (compressed 2020 fixture without a rest), and achillies due to conditioning. Personally I wouldn't know.

Winmar2Lockett said:
The back was more likely overload in the gym or fitness work.

The achilles was a freak injury... from my knowledge, he would have been more likely to ping his calf if it was a conditioning issue.
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Fair enough. As above, I'm only going by others words, so I'll add this to the knowledgebase too haha
 
Winmar2Lockett said:
We didn’t really have a choice about bottoming out.

The mismanagement of the cap meant we had to lose senior players & we had a group of ageing superstars on megabucks. Getting kids in (ironically what everyone is harping about now) was the only option.


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How do you have to sell off all of your stars? One would have been heaps and we would have had to reload not bottom out. I can understand losing fringe players like Dawson who we couldn't afford to match but this is one of those excuses we always make for them. It was the same as Hanners has been a great leader and done so much more for us than what he does on field.

How would we have contracted for more than the cap could hold? Realistically we should have done what clubs like Geelong and Hawks did and trimmed the fat off and kept reloading through the draft.
 
gringo2011 said:
It was the same as Hanners has been a great leader and done so much more for us than what he does on field.
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Don't forget we had to spend the money anyhow, what a great business model, no wonder we have only 1 flag
 
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