List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part I

George · Aug 22, 2021

Delisted;
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Traded;
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Retired;
Jake Carlisle
Shaun McKernan

Current Players Out of Contract;
3. Zak Jones - Link
6. Sebastian Ross (RFA) - Link
7. Luke Dunstan (RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie - Link
15. Jack Billings (RFA) - Link
18. Patrick Ryder - Link
24. James Frawley - Link
25. Dean Kent - Link
38. Oscar Clavarino - Link
39. Darragh Joyce - Link
41. Paul Hunter - Link
42. Max Heath - Link
45. Sam Alabakis - Link

To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

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gringo2011 · Jun 17, 2021

Winmar2Lockett said:
Oliver is the one who does that for Melbourne. Petracca is the creme on the top for them... without the Ling lookalike, he'd still be flashy but inconsistent.

He's not any more, he definitely was once but he is high impact like Dusty now days. Not quite the same level but he nails games closed when they need a match winner now. Oliver is more of a ridiculously high production first use mid. I'd love both.

Mowman · Jun 17, 2021

gringo2011 said:
He's not any more, he definitely was once but he is high impact like Dusty now days. Not quite the same level but he nails games closed when they need a match winner now. Oliver is more of a ridiculously high production first use mid. I'd love both.

Both are guns, I enjoy watching Oliver play he has some huge quarters of footy when needed

MrFoster · Jun 17, 2021

sammm said:
not doing so well this year are we MrFoster? i bet you didn't say that last year.

Actually, if you look at last year, apart from Marshall, most of our best players all came from other clubs, Steele, Ryder, Howard, Butler, Jones, Membrey, Carlisle. What does that say about our development/drafting?

MrFoster · Jun 17, 2021

gringo2011 said:
It's still not the Dogs though. We still lack that elite player that turns games in our favour. Clark and Gresham are developing mids but neither are there yet. Gresham has the tools to become elite and so does Clark in a different way. I'm pretty confident Bytel could still be a gun too. Just looks to have stalled and has had probably the worst development of any player hs age. Missed two years injured, hit the hub and couldn't get games of any worth and now played as a medical sub with limited minutes. He's hardly played any footy for nearly four years.

Watching Sam Walsh become close to elite makes me want to get into the draft and find a gun mid, surely we are due to find a star this year.

If we have 3 top 30 picks (1 for Billings, maybe 1 for someone else), then getting 2 top rated mids is not unrealistic.. Just hope we nail it this time..

MrFoster · Jun 17, 2021

Winmar2Lockett said:
The only positive with Gresh's injuries is that they are in no way related. Back stress fractures and then a ruptured achilles.

One possibly overuse/ poor technique & one just a freak of nature.

If it was chronic soft tissues or recurring knees/ shoulders etc then you'd be worried. Hopefully Gresh is inspired by Kevin Durant & comes back from the achilles in the same sort of nick.

The only thing we learnt from gresham’s injury is he should not be played in the guts full time, playing against big bodies/bang and crash types is not good for his long gevity, he should play forward and have stints in the midfield only.

gringo2011 · Jun 17, 2021

Mowman said:
Both are guns, I enjoy watching Oliver play he has some huge quarters of footy when needed

Those flick outs to space are so frustrating to watch because he makes it look easy and you wonder why we can't do that. He was one of my players I wanted. I said on here before he was drafted that he'd win a Brownlow one day so I'm hoping he does so I can brag post. Yeah I know, I'm pretty mature. He's one of those opposition players I hate love. That's my highest level of respect.

gringo2011 · Jun 17, 2021

MrFoster said:
If we have 3 top 30 picks (1 for Billings, maybe 1 for someone else), then getting 2 top rated mids is not unrealistic.. Just hope we nail it this time..

Surely we have to have some luck one day. I love the draft but these days it gives me anxiety. It's like a roller coaster, I still remember the days when it was all the hope we had. Now it's more like the purge. You'll lose your favourites for a handful of beans and hope that our crew at least get a goose out of it this time.

gringo2011 · Jun 17, 2021

MrFoster said:
Actually, if you look at last year, apart from Marshall, most of our best players all came from other clubs, Steele, Ryder, Howard, Butler, Jones, Membrey, Carlisle. What does that say about our development/drafting?

The indictment for me was that AA list. No other club has had such a terrible run with AAs drafted into the club. Literally since the early 2000s, it shows where our priorities lie.

The_Snake26 · Jun 17, 2021

Can anyone tell me hypothetically if we let Ross and Billings go under FA and both he generate 2nd round picks does the sum of all parts make one 1st round pick?
Opposite effect as if you lose a free agent and sign a free agent the compensation pick is diluted.
not suggesting one 1st round pick is acceptable for 2 best 22 players, just curious

Munga · Jun 17, 2021

MrFoster said:
The only thing we learnt from gresham’s injury is he should not be played in the guys full time, playing against big bodies/bang and crash types is not good for his long gevity, he should play forward and have stints in the midfield only.

I think you might be right about not having the best body to be in the midfield...
I'm not a medical expert, but people have said that his back stress fracture was due to overload, he wasn't rested during the high run of games we had last year... and then this year that his achilles was caused in part by lack of conditioning.
Forward line for me.

AFLOnline · Jun 18, 2021

MrFoster said:
The only thing we learnt from gresham’s injury is he should not be played in the guys full time, playing against big bodies/bang and crash types is not good for his long gevity, he should play forward and have stints in the midfield only.

Wtf?

a freak torn Achilles has nothing to do with banging and crashing

Munga said:
I think you might be right about not having the best body to be in the midfield...
I'm not a medical expert, but people have said that his back stress fracture was due to overload, he wasn't rested during the high run of games we had last year... and then this year that his achilles was caused in part by lack of conditioning.
Forward line for me.

his body type is fine - not much different to guys like Gary Ablett junior and Sam Mitchell who played a plethora of games in the guts

AFLOnline · Jun 18, 2021

The_Snake26 said:
Can anyone tell me hypothetically if we let Ross and Billings go under FA and both he generate 2nd round picks does the sum of all parts make one 1st round pick?
Opposite effect as if you lose a free agent and sign a free agent the compensation pick is diluted.
not suggesting one 1st round pick is acceptable for 2 best 22 players, just curious

One pick for each player lost in FA

jwikked · Jun 18, 2021

I haven't watched GWS this year, but if we could get Josh Kelly for roughly around what Billings is on now ($750k per year) would it be worth doing? Clearly not worth the $1 million he's contracted for at GWS, but if he wants out and is willing to take a pay cut, he could be a good addition.

Munga · Jun 18, 2021

AFLOnline said:
his body type is fine - not much different to guys like Gary Ablett junior and Sam Mitchell who played a plethora of games in the guts

Not so much his "type" but maybe his conditioning. He can't be fine because he keeps breaking down. Unless he comes back ripped like Ablett and Mitchell in their prime then I wouldn't be surprised if he breaks down again in the middle. But what would I know?

bird_man · Jun 18, 2021

jwikked said:
I haven't watched GWS this year, but if we could get Josh Kelly for roughly around what Billings is on now ($750k per year) would it be worth doing? Clearly not worth the $1 million he's contracted for at GWS, but if he wants out and is willing to take a pay cut, he could be a good addition.

Yes, but we won't unfortunately.

He can just trigger his 900k contract at the Giants.

If he leaves he's gonna want that money.

The_Snake26 · Jun 18, 2021

jwikked said:
I haven't watched GWS this year, but if we could get Josh Kelly for roughly around what Billings is on now ($750k per year) would it be worth doing? Clearly not worth the $1 million he's contracted for at GWS, but if he wants out and is willing to take a pay cut, he could be a good addition.

If JBs on $750k then Kelly is easily worth a $1,000k.
I watched him play last weekend and he’s a jet. 39 touches, 6 tackles and 2 goals. Averages 25, 4.7 and a goal per game for the year. Would perfectly compliment Steele and Crouch
but has been injury prone the last few years so $1,000k per year comes with risk

Mowman · Jun 18, 2021

jwikked said:
I haven't watched GWS this year, but if we could get Josh Kelly for roughly around what Billings is on now ($750k per year) would it be worth doing? Clearly not worth the $1 million he's contracted for at GWS, but if he wants out and is willing to take a pay cut, he could be a good addition.

Kelly has been very good of late and would be a huge upgrade on Billings

bird_man · Jun 18, 2021

Its going to be tough to get any recruits to the club thisyear after such a dismall year.

The only way is if we over pay players which we just can't afford to keep doing.

Sully111 · Jun 18, 2021

Mowman said:
Kelly has been very good of late and would be a huge upgrade on Billings

Have kind of wondered what the fuss was about with Kelly from time to time. I think i was just missing the point. Ive watched him lately, he's a gun. Would love him at the club.

CaptainRisky · Jun 18, 2021

Munga said:
I think you might be right about not having the best body to be in the midfield...
I'm not a medical expert, but people have said that his back stress fracture was due to overload, he wasn't rested during the high run of games we had last year... and then this year that his achilles was caused in part by lack of conditioning.
Forward line for me.

How did you work that out ?

gringo2011 · Jun 18, 2021

Sully111 said:
Have kind of wondered what the fuss was about with Kelly from time to time. I think i was just missing the point. Ive watched him lately, he's a gun. Would love him at the club.

He's always showed huge potential but he's actually gone to what we thought he might become. It's just a shame Billings didn't do the same with us.

AFLOnline · Jun 18, 2021

gringo2011 said:
He's always showed huge potential but he's actually gone to what we thought he might become. It's just a shame Billings didn't do the same with us.

His season a few years ago, 2017 I think? Was much better than this one has been. He’s been good this year, but up until the last 3 rounds where he’s fired like like his 2017 form, he’s been a bit inconsistent

he’s going to be wayyy too expensive $$wise for us anyway unfortunately.

MrFoster · Jun 18, 2021

AFLOnline said:
Wtf?

a freak torn Achilles has nothing to do with banging and crashing

his body type is fine - not much different to guys like Gary Ablett junior and Sam Mitchell who played a plethora of games in the guts

Actually Gresham was a back pocket most of his junior career (only moved into midfield/forward in his last TAC season), after he debuted for us, he played mostly forward apart from last season. So, unlike Ablett and Mitchell, his body is not used to rigours/crash and bang in the midfield, hence the injuries now..

gringo2011 · Jun 18, 2021

AFLOnline said:
His season a few years ago, 2017 I think? Was much better than this one has been. He’s been good this year, but up until the last 3 rounds where he’s fired like like his 2017 form, he’s been a bit inconsistent

he’s going to be wayyy too expensive $$wise for us anyway unfortunately.

Yeah, I don't think he is someone we could afford and his injury history is probably out of the question after Hanners. I don't remember him ever being as good as this year but perhaps it's just been too long. I remember great games but not consistent output.

g_TRAIN · Jun 18, 2021

Munga said:
Not so much his "type" but maybe his conditioning. He can't be fine because he keeps breaking down. Unless he comes back ripped like Ablett and Mitchell in their prime then I wouldn't be surprised if he breaks down again in the middle. But what would I know?

He doesn't keep breaking down though.

He's had two totally unrelated injuries that have been long-term ones.

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