List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part I

[George]

Delisted;
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Traded;
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Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
3. Zak Jones

3

Zak Jones

Age

30

Ht

182cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.8

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.1

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.1

4star

CL

4.9

5star

D

7.0

2star

K

2.8

1star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.6

4star

CL

1.0

3star

- Link
6. Sebastian Ross

6

Sebastian Ross

Age

32

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

26.3

5star

K

13.7

5star

HB

12.6

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

4star

HB

8.6

4star

M

2.5

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

2.1

4star

D

15.2

4star

K

8.6

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

CL

2.8

5star

(RFA) - Link
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
15. Jack Billings

14

Jack Billings

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

11.5

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.3

3star

D

19.7

5star

K

11.7

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.9

4star

CL

2.3

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

4.6

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

(RFA) - Link
18. Patrick Ryder

18

Patrick Ryder

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

2.6

4star

HO

19.3

5star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.0

2star

CL

1.8

4star

HO

21.8

5star

D

4.4

1star

K

3.2

2star

HB

1.2

2star

HO

3.0

5star

- Link
24. James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
38. Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link
42. Max Heath

Multiple players found. Use birthday to differentiate. eg [PLAYERCARD="23/11/1962"]Joe Smith[/PLAYERCARD]

- Link
45. Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


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[stavro#4]

The myth is that you can't win a flag with players the quality of Ross or Billings in the team. Thats complete and utter bullshit.

Most premiership sides has players a lot worse than those 2 in them. Whoever wins the premiership this year will have players a lot worse than them in it.

Your issue here is that you are comparing them to flag winners bottom end.

they are supposed to be our top end.

on the money Billings is earning, he is supposed to be a top 5 player for us. Hehasn’t performed anywhere near that level on a consistent basis since he signed that deal.

different conversation ifhe was getting paid to be player 15-22.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Could care less if all of Ross, Billings, Dunstan leave. I've seen this movie before, it's boring as batshit at this point. Even if their replacements are worse, at least I'll have some variety in my life.

Its a bit like Jaws , the first one was great then it just got worse and worse as the years went by

 

[The Punter]

I think there is almost zero chance Geary is co-captain next season.

 

[Bill Mohr]

They had better not fu** this up or they'll make it so we don't need a core. If it's one asterisk finals series in 15 years there isn't going to be a club eventually. Covid will make the AFL a lot less sentimental. I just hope if they fu** this up the AFL send in some external administrators to save us and not send us off to Tassie.

Probably be renamed the "Tassie Plovers"

 

[stavro#4]

I think there is almost zero chance Geary is co-captain next season.

He will act as an onfield assistant.

 

[The Punter]

Your issue here is that you are comparing them to flag winners bottom end.

they are supposed to be our top end.

on the money Billings is earning, he is supposed to be a top 5 player for us. Hehasn’t performed anywhere near that level on a consistent basis since he signed that deal.

different conversation ifhe was getting paid to be player 15-22.

The money is one thing, but it's all conjecture as to what he is really getting paid. Happy to concede the production hasn't met remuneration levels, and considering what has been reported, the club are of this view as well.

The 15-22 stuff is infuriating. Whatever (if any) compensation we get for any of the three mids in question will not be 15-22 in Round 1 next season. Which means short term regression for what is essentially an unknown.

I love what Dan McKenzie has done this season, but Billings is a better player regardless of what he gets paid. It's not olympic diving - we don't get a bigger score if we add a degree of difficulty by playing goers with less talent.

Either way, I think the club are running Billings out the door, would like Dunstan to stay on similar conditions to what he has now, and would like Ross to stay but Ross has decided to see what is out there.

 

[BrutThough]

Your issue here is that you are comparing them to flag winners bottom end.

they are supposed to be our top end.

on the money Billings is earning, he is supposed to be a top 5 player for us. Hehasn’t performed anywhere near that level on a consistent basis since he signed that deal.

different conversation ifhe was getting paid to be player 15-22.

So we need to improve the list so there is more quality in our top 10 players. That's not achieved by removing them for unders and bringing in late picks/DFA's to replace them.

If we can get into the position of Billings being the 15th best player on our list, we are going to be in a bloody great spot moving forward. What's not good is letting Billings walk, getting an average pick then someone like Dean Kent needing to stay around and being best 22 because it's either him or a kid who is not ready to play.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Danger is an aggressive midfielder and gets away with a bit of stuff, he does have power and speed off the mark. Ross has done some good tagging roles but I am not convinced that he can tag all the good ones but there is no other player suited for that role in the current team.

Dmac?

 

[HoudiniSaints11]

Hopefully now with the terrific trio most likely moving on, it will allow Connolly, Byrnes and Bytel to spend larger portions of the game in the midfield which should help their development skyrocket

 

[stavro#4]

The money is one thing, but it's all conjecture as to what he is really getting paid. Happy to concede the production hasn't met remuneration levels, and considering what has been reported, the club are of this view as well.

The 15-22 stuff is infuriating. Whatever (if any) compensation we get for any of the three mids in question will not be 15-22 in Round 1 next season. Which means short term regression for what is essentially an unknown.

I love what Dan McKenzie has done this season, but Billings is a better player regardless of what he gets paid. It's not olympic diving - we don't get a bigger score if we add a degree of difficulty by playing goers with less talent.

Either way, I think the club are running Billings out the door, would like Dunstan to stay on similar conditions to what he has now, and would like Ross to stay but Ross has decided to see what is out there.

The club have said they are happy to keep Billings on a deal worth the value he contributes.

he hasn’t signed that. The club have 8 years worth of evidence and yet Billings clearly is still seeing himself as a better paid player.

This isn’t the premier league where clubs can operate however they want and pay players whatever they want. The value of the salary cap is that those that contribute significantly onfield - get paid the biggest pieces of it.
So the remuneration vs production aspect is hugely important and critical to success.

Talent matters little if Dmac is out performing Billings. I’d rather be playing Dmac.

 

[kernelT]

Why would you say that?

Cause they're a troll?

 

[DarkSaint]

He will act as an onfield assistant.

Our backline is fine and he shouldn't be getting a game.

He can act like however he wants on the track and at sandy.

 

[jwikked]

Reece Conca

6

Reece Conca

Age

33

Ht

181cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

10.8

4star

HB

7.4

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

3.6

5star

MG

228.0

3star

D

13.8

3star

K

11.2

4star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.5

3star

MG

228.0

3star

D

15.8

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

7.8

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

is available now, is he worth a punt? Would prefer him to Talia personally, but I'm not against Talia. This is only on the presumption that Carlisle and Frawley are gone.
The Herald Sun has an article about Jake, but I can't read it. I gather he's been told he won't get a contract for next year.

 

[DarkSaint]

Keep playing Bytel even if his numbers are low so what short term pain for a 10 year midfielder.

Exactly right

Just have to look at the Dogs and Bailey Smith as an example.

Pretty much got gifted the first 10-15 games (even with the mids they had played him as a pure on baller with Macrae taking on more of a wing role) and found his feet and exploded.

 

[stavro#4]

So we need to improve the list so there is more quality in our top 10 players. That's not achieved by removing them for unders and bringing in late picks/DFA's to replace them.

If we can get into the position of Billings being the 15th best player on our list, we are going to be in a bloody great spot moving forward. What's not good is letting Billings walk, getting an average pick then someone like Dean Kent needing to stay around and being best 22 because it's either him or a kid who is not ready to play.

Neither is paying Billings to stick around and performing like the 18th bloke.

ryder
Sinclair
Marshall
Jones
Steele
King
Membrey
Howard
Hill
Crouch
Wilkie
Higgins
Dunstan
Byrnes
Highmore
Butler

all outperformed him this year and some of these guys had limitedpre seasons and injuries too.

that doesn’t include Gresham Clark Coffield - who I think are all better.

The club have done exactly the right thing with their offer. You and Billings seem to overrate his worth.

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

He will act as an onfield assistant.

Not fast enough to be a runner i'm afraid.

 

[Miha]

McKernan has retired

 

[stavro#4]

Our backline is fine and he shouldn't be getting a game.

He can act like however he wants on the track and at sandy.

You do realise that after Webster that we are light in for lockdown smalls.

I can’t imagine Paton being in round 1s best 22. So next up would be a fit gears.

 

[Joffaboy]

Bytel has only played 3 games since Mid May so I have no clue as to what is happening there. He was injured at one stage.

Don't think you were the one posting that Bytel went missing and comes up short BM.
I think a bit of slack need to be given to a young bloke who has played under 20 games is my point.

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

Reece Conca is available now, is he worth a punt? Would prefer him to Talia personally, but I'm not against Talia. This is only on the presumption that Carlisle and Frawley are gone.
The Herald Sun has an article about Jake, but I can't read it. I gather he's been told he won't get a contract for next year.

Conca? Jesus H F**king Christ no

 

[BrutThough]

Neither is paying Billings to stick around and performing like the 18th bloke.

ryder
Sinclair
Marshall
Jones
Steele
King
Membrey
Howard
Hill
Crouch
Wilkie
Higgins
Dunstan
Byrnes
Highmore
Butler

all outperformed him this year and some of these guys had limitedpre seasons and injuries too.

that doesn’t include Gresham Clark Coffield - who I think are all better.

The club have done exactly the right thing with their offer. You and Billings seem to overrate his worth.

He was one of our best performed players in the first half of the season. His injuries in the second half of the year have really clouded peoples memories.

 

[Bill Mohr]

Dmac?

Possibly, but when you look at the size and power of Petracca, danger, Bont and a few others it is difficult to find someone. I dont think most of the good ones are being tagged these days. But when they are cutting you to pieces you have to try something.

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

You do realise that after Webster that we are light in for lockdown smalls.

I can’t imagine Paton being in round 1s best 22. So next up would be a fit gears.

JWebb & Paton. Then at a pinch, Long (fine for injury cover). Or try either of Connelly or Sincs in a lockdown role and shift Clark to a HBF. Or Highmore to play small.

All better options. Hell at this point I would even try DMac first (after all, he appears to have discovered how to play football this year).

 

[Bill Mohr]

Don't think you were the one posting that Bytel went missing and comes up short BM.
I think a bit of slack need to be given to a young bloke who has played under 20 games is my point.

No wasnt me, but my point was to give him a few more games because 3 or 4 in 3 months is not many although he did have a run of of 9 earlier in the year and went ok. Cant see why they cant drop Kent and give Bytel a run in the forward line for the last game. Slower Tassie track might suit him.

 

[Joffaboy]

Cause they're a troll?

Wow pretty impressive trolling then. Seems to have a lot of knowledge about St.Kilda players.

I don't agree with many of his views, however I don't see him as a troll. Don't mind his input on the whole.