Beyond the GF – Why the MCG Contract doesn’t pass the Stink Test

[Coolangatta]

It's better, I definitely wouldn't knock it back - might get to a GF before I die. Still not sure why you need to return to Vic every second year - are Vic fans that fickle they will abandon the game because they only get a grand final as often as everyone else?

Haha, yeah, the Vic lynch mob is the only reason I set it that way. The best reason I've heard is that 55% of the AFL teams are Victorian, so they should get half of the grand finals. That's fair enough, but I'd prefer this:

22 Adelaide
23 Sydney
24 Melbourne
25 Brisbane
26 Perth
27 Adelaide
28 Sydney
29 Melbourne
30 Brisbane
31 Perth

After that, you might have a Tassie team and a Canberra team, so they'd be worth considering in the next cycle.

 

[HPKS]

Don't have to listen to the C7 commentary, thankfully.

Great idea you can sinc it with 6pr commentary

 

[LightTower4]

Great idea you can sinc it with 6pr commentary

That's the plan.

 

[HPKS]

That's the plan.

Happy for. Get the zoom setup and you’ll have a great old time with family & friends

 

[LightTower4]

Happy for. Get the zoom setup and you’ll have a great old time with family & friends

Zoom? Just pause Fox for 7-8 seconds and listen to the radio.

 

[HPKS]

Zoom? Just pause Fox for 7-8 seconds and listen to the radio.

The grand final isn’t on Foxtel.

 

[Captain_Bender]

LOL...a bit geographically challenged are you!!

Smallest mainland state yet far more relevant than minnow states such as South Australia.

 

[LightTower4]

The grand final isn’t on Foxtel.

I can pick up C7 on Foxtel.

 

[HPKS]

I can pick up C7 on Foxtel.

gona be a great night then. C7 in sinc with 6PR in the comfort of your home. Couldn’t ask for anymore for the big drought breaker. You will be able to post photos during the big night on the family WhatsApp group. And then pop the champagne as you watch all the celebrations. Couldn’t get any better

 

[LightTower4]

gona be a great night then. C7 in sinc with 6PR in the comfort of your home. Couldn’t ask for anymore for the big drought breaker. You will be able to post photos during the big night on the family WhatsApp group. And then pop the champagne as you watch all the celebrations. Couldn’t get any better

We are not there yet.

 

[HPKS]

We not there yet.

Don’t be like that. Be positive. The night will be glorious if they win.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

To establish that you need to determine what creates the advantage / disadvantage, and what stays the same in a regular H&A game v the GF.

What benefit do you think Port will get from playing 2 H&A games at the G to help with GF?

Will it help routine? Nup, GF routine is different to H&A.
Will it help with atmosphere? Nope, playing in front of 15k doesn't replicate 100k

If you are playing away, you are already preparing yourself with hotels and travel.

And yes, Collingwood used to benefit from training on the ground we played at, and having 30k rabid Collingwood ferals jammed in to create the intimidating environment. That is lost at the G when the ground is 2/3 empty.

And again, Collingwood playing 15 games at the G each year should result in great performance on GF day shouldn't it?? Hasn't helped us?

If you actually read my initial post I said if they want to continue to hold the GF at the MCG forever then non Victorian teams should be given a minimum of 3 games a year. So judging by your reply of Port playing 2 games there just shows you haven’t taken the time to actually think about it.

Would Collingwood feel comfortable playing a GF on a ground they had only played 1 game on for the year or would they prefer to play 3 or 4 over the year if they were to play the GF there?

Of course they would prefer too play more games there...

Now obviously, playing on front of 15k does not compare to playing in front of a packed MCG but getting ground experience is the key. Developing a better understanding for the way the wind comes across, the different sized ground which may require teams to slightly change zones or tactics etc. It all plays into it and if we are coming up against a team that lives on the MCG come GF day, they will have a better feel for these things than a team that only plays there once a year.

If you get offended by the suggestion we should be allowed 3 or 4 games a year there, then there is no Hope engaging with some.

 

[Barrybran]

Haha, yeah, the Vic lynch mob is the only reason I set it that way. The best reason I've heard is that 55% of the AFL teams are Victorian, so they should get half of the grand finals. That's fair enough, but I'd prefer this:

22 Adelaide
23 Sydney
24 Melbourne
25 Brisbane
26 Perth
27 Adelaide
28 Sydney
29 Melbourne
30 Brisbane
31 Perth

After that, you might have a Tassie team and a Canberra team, so they'd be worth considering in the next cycle.

Every second year at the G would work. It would be a nice balance between tradition and giving all the other major centees an opportunity to host. Once every eight years for Perth is certainly a step up on once in 125 years.

 

[Farang83150]

gona be a great night then. C7 in sinc with 6PR in the comfort of your home. Couldn’t ask for anymore for the big drought breaker. You will be able to post photos during the big night on the family WhatsApp group. And then pop the champagne as you watch all the celebrations. Couldn’t get any better

Or they could all meet up at fed square...Ed might be there as well!!

 

[Coolangatta]

Every second year at the G would work. It would be a nice balance between tradition and giving all the other major centees an opportunity to host. Once every eight years for Perth is certainly a step up on once in 125 years.

Yeah, I'd definitely settle for it.

A 16-year contract, 8 at the MCG, 2 each for Adelaide, Sydney, Brisbane, and Perth.

2022-37.

By 2037, there'll probably be a Tassie team and maybe another team or two.

Re-asses, and if Hobart or wherever is capable of hosting, you do a new 20 year or so contract with the MCG getting it every second year, and if they aren't ready, it might be about half that time so they don't have to wait 20 or so years to host it if they can get up to the standard.

You keep re-assessing after every 20 years, depending on what teams compete.

 

[OnlyPowerForever]

Most AFL supporters still live in Melbourne. When the code grows to support 10 south australian teams, we can revisit this conversation.

Makes sense. More people involved means exclusive attention, not pro-rata consideration.

I mean, Sydney and Melbourne are where most criminals are as well. And drug dealers. Centre of Australia's social problems. (We'll keep the "weird" murders, can't argue that one.)
And there are so many more cars there too. And wood fires. And plane flights. And farting cows. And population growth. Guess we can singularly blame them for Australia's carbon emissions too.
In fact, I think we can pretty safely say that Melbourne and Sydney are the centres and main cause of all of Australia's ills, and should be singularly held to account until they are resolved.

 

[Freomaniac]

Me, usually: Yep, the Grand Final should be played at the home ground of the team that's earned that right.

Me, seeing who started this thread and the usual collection of sooks posting: Victoria invented the game, the MCG is the home of football. It stays there forever. Go invent your own code if you don't like it.

and you claim North Melbourne saved the AFL from being bankrupt because North play home games infront of small crowds at docklands.

 

[HPKS]

and you claim North Melbourne saved the AFL from being bankrupt because North play home games infront of small crowds at docklands.

Yep that’s him. As one poster aptly wrote Simpletonbythedockofthebay

 

[Rich01]

Nah MCC and AFL members. That's who'll miss out. And they can GAGF too. Absolute leeches. 45 games a year (plus cricket for the MCG) plus finals for what $600? What an absolute sham.

Footy's biggest day: how the tickets are allocated

Not all memberships will guarantee you a ticket to the AFL grand final. Here's how the seats are allocated.

www.smh.com.au

That’s fair.
So how are you planning the MCC gets recompensed if the contract is bought out? What parties are going to pony up?

 

[Rich01]

Yeah, I'd definitely settle for it.

A 16-year contract, 8 at the MCG, 2 each for Adelaide, Sydney, Brisbane, and Perth.

2022-37.

By 2037, there'll probably be a Tassie team and maybe another team or two.

Re-asses, and if Hobart or wherever is capable of hosting, you do a new 20 year or so contract with the MCG getting it every second year, and if they aren't ready, it might be about half that time so they don't have to wait 20 or so years to host it if they can get up to the standard.

You keep re-assessing after every 20 years, depending on what teams compete.

That works.
Now just for the states to buy out the existing contract. Which will never happen because they have no interest in doing so.

 

[NetworkNerd]

To get automatic GF tickets for MCC/AFL members is about a 30-40 year wait so hardly relevant.

Medallion Club/Jolimont club are the ones where a tradie can buy a membership, claim it as a business expense and take a GF seat every year from the year they join up.

40K or so tickets are locked up in AFL Members/MCC members.... is it too much... The MCC members who just camp out and get a free ticket definitely have a good deal but again they waited long enough for it. They would have to reduce the allocation by attrition. 100 People pass away/dont renew, only allow 50 off the wait list etc etc

 

[HPKS]

That’s fair.
So how are you planning the MCC gets recompensed if the contract is bought out? What parties are going to pony up?

Is that you Jeff? Still trying to pimp off things. Waste of time, nothings gona save that rust belt economy.

 

[Freomaniac]

If you aren't going to read the whole convo, please refrain from quoting me.

I read your posts.

Typical Victorian Attitude where you think the AFL should be in Victoria every year.

Accept the fact that Covid has destroyed your chance of seeing the MCG hold the 2021 grand final.

 

[Freomaniac]

Most AFL supporters still live in Melbourne. When the code grows to support 10 south australian teams, we can revisit this conversation.

Do you see the 2021 AFL grand final being hosted at the MCG in Victorias current situation?

 

[Juddernaut08]

Makes sense. More people involved means exclusive attention, not pro-rata consideration.

I mean, Sydney and Melbourne are where most criminals are as well. And drug dealers. Centre of Australia's social problems. (We'll keep the "weird" murders, can't argue that one.)
And there are so many more cars there too. And wood fires. And plane flights. And farting cows. And population growth. Guess we can singularly blame them for Australia's carbon emissions too.
In fact, I think we can pretty safely say that Melbourne and Sydney are the centres and main cause of all of Australia's ills, and should be singularly held to account until they are resolved.

10 out of the 18 clubs are based in Victoria (56%). Additionally, no other State has more than 2/18. Even if we apply that to your stupid analogies there is some credit to such large a majority.

If 56% of criminals were based in 1 state, that state would rightly be looked at as the home of criminals

Similarly, if a State contributed 56% of Australia's emissions, they should be blamed.

If 56% vote for a political party, they form government.

Take that for data.