List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

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Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[gringo2011]

The melt would be all time. I would ******* riot

I back Libba to find gold in the draft, if he thinks the bin pickings are better I'd trust him. There will be some good picks in this draft and some late ones might be better than normal. If we don't take them we have seen them up close so have a fair idea of what they are about.

 

[CursingFijian]

Ross and Billings look set to stay.
Paddy Ryder about to sign a one year deal
Sam Alabakis been delisted
Lonie Hunter and Kent waiting on a deal
According to Mitch Cleary

Obligatory gif of Scott in the cheap seats.

 

[puppy_dog7]

Rendall & Buckenara are rent-a-quotes who add nothing at trade/draft time.

Its a dead set giveaway when a bloke doesn’t understand it the basics of free agency to the point where he suggests we trade out free agents.

The next piece of research that Buckenara does will be his first.


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It actually baffles me how they were paid list managers and “Experts”.
Regular Rudy from BigFooty could be a list manager if those 2 are experts

 

[CursingFijian]

I wouldnt swap Luke Jackson

Collingwood cheer squad offering two meat pies and a family size box of chips.

 

[CursingFijian]

Darcy Fort. That's nearly as disgusting as the guy who suggested Dom Tyson. Common man.

 

[Pardon me]

I lost all interest in Buckanarra the year he said our trade/draft was a fail because we gave up pick 6 for Carlisle and 18 because we could have drafted Kieran Collins.

Said Collins was the 3rd best player in the draft.

Collins was drafted at pick 26 by the Western Bulldogs. He was the 11th KPP taken in the draft. He played 1 game in 3 years before being delisted.

#expert

He was also in that collision outside Ballarat and thought the playing and leadership at the bulldogs was as toxic an environment as can be. I’ll defend the bloke cos I worked with a relative of his and got some really good intel.

 

[gringo2011]

He was also in that collision outside Ballarat and thought the playing and leadership at the bulldogs was as toxic an environment as can be. I’ll defend the bloke cos I worked with a relative of his and got some really good intel.

My neighbour has a nephew who moved from another AFL club to the Dogs in the same period and said the same thing. Actually retired from footy citing that he hated the macho bullshit inside footy clubs after enjoying his time at his first club.

 

[Pardon me]

My neighbour has a nephew who moved from another AFL club to the Dogs in the same period and said the same thing. Actually retired from footy citing that he hated the macho bullshit inside footy clubs after enjoying his time at his first club.

Yep I’m not surprised mate. Some of the stuff I heard was pretty damning.

 

[hangdog]

We have all got opinions. No one here seems to like any of the "experts" opinions unless it suits their own narrative. Buckenaras piece in The Sun should be coming up shortly and we will see what he has to say about us because he is doing every club. If he is clueless as well, who's opinion are we going to listen to? It's obvious that these blokes who do it for a job have no idea !!!!!

Most people rate Twomey and the other guys on AFL Exchange.

 

[Joffaboy]

Rendell is not very clever.

The first bit about us having a bad preseason was lifted straight from here. Obviously things could have been done better but to say they didn't work on fitness is plain bullshit.

Didn't bother with the rest but it sounds like it didn't get any better.

Buckenara is worse.

 

[XhazzafootyX]

Most people rate Twomey and the other guys on AFL Exchange.

Twomey mitch Cleary and riley bev are 3 of the best going around. They don’t make up stories and are always well researched. I always go to them for news

 

[Joffaboy]

My neighbour has a nephew who moved from another AFL club to the Dogs in the same period and said the same thing. Actually retired from footy citing that he hated the macho bullshit inside footy clubs after enjoying his time at his first club.

Didn't they win the flag around that time? Maybe we need some macho toxicity down Linton. St

 

[bergholt]

Twomey mitch Cleary and riley bev are 3 of the best going around. They don’t make up stories and are always well researched. I always go to them for news

Probably helps that they’re not ex AFL players tbh.

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Most people rate Twomey and the other guys on AFL Exchange.

Twomey is very well connected to the AFL clubs recruiters. A lot of his stuff is accurate on where players are picked because he’s genuinely chatting to the guys who are picking

 

[Nutsngum]

Rendell is not very clever.

The first bit about us having a bad preseason was lifted straight from here. Obviously things could have been done better but to say they didn't work on fitness is plain bullshit.

Didn't bother with the rest but it sounds like it didn't get any better.

Buckenara is worse.

I do still think fitness was an issue for a lot of the year. We ran out games substantially better in the latter half of the year once match fitness started to really come in. I mean, we didnt fire the performance coach for no reason afterall.

 

[letssmashem]

If they are drafted between picks 1-20, we dont get them.

If they are bid on between picks 21-40, we can match the bid with draft points and get them at a discount. We can do this with later picks, we dont need to trade into the 20/30s. If we dont have enough points with our picks this year, we go into a points deficit for our pick in that round next year which just slides that pick back a few places.

If they are bid on after pick 41, we can get them with our next available pick.

Thanks for the clarification. These rules are surely in response to the dogs getting jamara last year. Outside of bulldogs supporters, everyone thought this draft allowance was utterly unfair. A no. 1 pick for the price of some grouped later picks. Even though it will be disheartening not to get these two good young players, it will ultimately be better for the integrity of the league in general. My personal opinion, the AFL should go one step further and do away with NGA preferential allowances for any clubs during the draft. An NGA draftee should be happy just to get drafted

 

[Premium]

Looking at a few of the phantom drafts over the past few months and the list is long , I would say anything down to 45 players or so have been mentioned in drafts of 20 to 30 - so the depth of this draft looks very good.

This draft has the usual top 5 players but after that it goes very deep - for instance Uzland is mentioned in the top 10 in one of the latest drafts and he is not named in many top 20 phantom drafts.
Another guy Hobbs was a top 5 pick and he is pick 12 in another.
Owens is not named in any drafts that I can see and a standout to me has not even been mentioned in Bazzo who was best on ground in the latest WA vs SA 18s game and currently playing seniors in the WAFL.

Honestly I would attempted to get a couple picks in the 2nd round because there could be a few standout players been left out of the first round.

June------------------ August
------------------ 30 / Zac Taylor
------------------ 29 / H.Jackson
------------------ 28 / Howes
------------------ 27 / Van Rooyen
------------------ 26 / Windhager
------------------ 25 / Conway
------------------ 24 / J.Williams
------------------ 23 / Motlop
------------------ 22 / T.Brown
------------------ 21 / M.Johnson
pick 20 / Wilmot
pick 19 / Butler
pick 18 / Williams --- Wanganeen Milera
pick 17 / Ward------- Goater
pick 16 / Amiss
pick 15 / M.Johnson
pick 14 / Erasmus
pick 13 / Chesser
pick 12 / Mac Andrew
pick 11 / Sonsie Sinn
pick 10 / Draper
pick 9 / M.Roberts
pick 8 / Sinn /(ESPN)- Uwland
pick 7 / Rachele
pick 6 / Gibcus
pick 5 / Hobbs
pick 4 / Callaghan
pick 3 / Darcy
pick 2 / Horne
pick 1 / Diacos

 

[Ephemeral Hope]

Rendall & Buckenara are rent-a-quotes who add nothing at trade/draft time.

Its a dead set giveaway when a bloke doesn’t understand it the basics of free agency to the point where he suggests we trade out free agents.

The next piece of research that Buckenara does will be his first.


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To be fair we’re always trying to trade free agents here

 

[gringo2011]

Probably helps that they’re not ex AFL players tbh.

They also have a niche where they do the civilised peripheral stuff. The guys who come on for 5 minutes are basically saying what ever they have to to get attention.

 

[tomjoad]

Just a friendly reminder that Ross was one of our best players in a cutthroat final against Richmond last year. Had identical stats to Steele. Not sure why we should lose him just for the sake of it. I wouldn’t be disappointed if he stayed but I know I’m probably the only one.

No you're not completely alone. I'm one of the very few sickos here that would much prefer flick Billings and keep Ross...I would've been okay with Dunstan staying too. Both try to get the best out of themselves...career wise Ross has been better than Billings, and Dunstan has tried a lot harder to get the most out of his abilities.

 

[malevu]

Obligatory gif of Scott in the cheap seats.

I really hope that's Scott immediately after the final siren against the Dees.

 

[Jay Beast]

I back Libba to find gold in the draft, if he thinks the bin pickings are better I'd trust him. There will be some good picks in this draft and some late ones might be better than normal. If we don't take them we have seen them up close so have a fair idea of what they are about.

Libba the bin chicken of the recruiting world.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

To be fair we’re always trying to trade free agents here

Only a few laymen who don’t understand how it works do.

A paid ‘professional’? No excuses


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[hayes]

No you're not completely alone. I'm one of the very few sickos here that would much prefer flick Billings and keep Ross...I would've been okay with Dunstan staying too. Both try to get the best out of themselves...career wise Ross has been better than Billings, and Dunstan has tried a lot harder to get the most out of his abilities.

I agree with Billings I would’ve much rather lose him than Ross because to me Jack was meant to be a match winner but somehow he’s turned into a nothing player who only gets on the end of it when things are going well. Higgins has overtaken him already IMO but if they think he’s worth keeping then I’ll back them in and hopefully it pays off.

 

[tomjoad]

I agree with Billings I would’ve much rather lose him than Ross because to me Jack was meant to be a match winner but somehow he’s turned into a nothing player who only gets on the end of it when things are going well. Higgins has overtaken him already IMO but if they think he’s worth keeping then I’ll back them in and hopefully it pays off.

I'd imagine you're younger than I am. I'm middle aged and my patience is worn...I have to be sparing with what's left. The same goes for trusting ANY organisation 100%.
At my age it's all been simplified to suit myself. I appreciate guys whom work hard, crack in, make an effort and try their best. Having kids did that to me...I get pissed with those that don't, and get proper pissed with self entitled ****s that do nothing when things don't go their way.
I am aware that I may hold the world's smallest violin, but it's tuned to my song...and you will all have to pry it from my cold dead hands to get it