List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

George · Aug 24, 2021

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino
Sam Alabakis

Traded;
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Retired;
Jake Carlisle
Dylan Roberton
Shaun McKernan
James Frawley

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan (RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie - Link
25. Dean Kent - Link
39. Darragh Joyce - Link
41. Paul Hunter - Link

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List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

hangdog · Sep 9, 2021

From The Age today

"With the season coming to a close over the next few weeks, draft and list expert Matt Rendell is taking a look at each team’s season in 2021 and what they need to do with their lists over the off-season. This article will be updated daily with a new team.

10. ST KILDA
Was the season a success?

(5th in 2020) 10 wins, 12 losses in 2021
St Kilda had a really disappointing season after looking as if they might challenge after an excellent 2020. My information is that they had a poor pre-season, allocating a lot of time to strategy and tactics at the expense of strength and conditioning. Players who were on top of the ground and running hard last year were nowhere near that level in 2021. They had an exciting brand of “take the game on, run and gun” and hit the top of the square using their fleet-of-foot, deep group of smaller runners and put massive forward pressure on opposition defences. They weren’t even close to that brand his year. I’ve seen this error made numerous times over my time in football, and it astounds me it still happens. That they still nearly made the finals is testament to a very good and experienced playing list and the loss of, in particular, Jade Gresham and Ben Paton for the whole year and Zak Jones, Paddy Ryder, Jimmy Webster and Hunter Clark for large chunks of the season. Highly paid players Brad Hill and Dan Hannebery had very disappointing seasons with the latter unlikely to be at St Kilda next year after only appearing late in the season.

They found some good players, though: promising midfielder Ryan Byrnes, Cooper Sharman as a hybrid forward, intercept defender Tom Highmore and lockdown defender Callum Wilkie. A special mention goes to Jack Steele, All-Australian midfielder. The combination of Ryder and Rohan Marshall as ruck/forwards is crucial to the success of this team, and that didn’t happen often enough in 2021.

What needs to happen during the off-season?

Jack Lonie, Luke Dunstan, Seb Ross and Josh Battle should go into the trade pool. They are all good players but could find a home where they can receive more opportunities. They are unlikely to bring more than third-round selections. Jack Billings is an interesting case as he was a high draft pick (No. 3 in 2013) and struggled this year. St Kilda might put him on the trade table but at best he’s going to attract a late first-round selection. The Saints need another gun key back and Daniel Talia should be on their radar. If Hannebery and Jake Carlisle are gone they should have some money to spend. Their best 25 looks well-balanced and is capable of challenging again next year with a good pre-season. Paton and Gresham returning adds real speed and football smarts to this team.

How should they approach the November draft? (Picks 9, 46, 64)

St Kilda have pick nine in the draft, which will effectively become 11. If Talia decides to go elsewhere they need to use that selection on a key back. Josh Gibcus is the best key back in the draft but highly likely to be gone by 11. So a leap of faith is required in selecting Josh Sinn or Campbell Chesser. Why? Because neither would have played more than five games over the past two seasons. Both are Sandringham Dragon players, although Chesser is from the country on scholarship in Melbourne. Both had serious injuries this year but on my observations from the under-16 games in 2019, they could have gone in the top five. Lack of games will mean both will spill to around pick 11, and, again, I would suggest judging them on their best - and their best in the under 16s was great."

BrutThough · Sep 9, 2021

St Neil said:
I stand corrected if you’re right. These draft rules are confusing. We also have the rule of using two 1st RDPs in a rolling four year period to further complicate matters.

The AFL might have changed the rules. There doesnt seem to be much continuity about what they do and dont enforce around draft picks.

triggering bro · Sep 9, 2021

XhazzafootyX said:
Ross and Billings look set to stay.
Paddy Ryder about to sign a one year deal
Sam Alabakis been delisted
Lonie Hunter and Kent waiting on a deal
According to Mitch Cleary

BrutThough · Sep 9, 2021

hangdog said:
From The Age today

"With the season coming to a close over the next few weeks, draft and list expert Matt Rendell is taking a look at each team’s season in 2021 and what they need to do with their lists over the off-season. This article will be updated daily with a new team.

10. ST KILDA
Was the season a success?

(5th in 2020) 10 wins, 12 losses in 2021
St Kilda had a really disappointing season after looking as if they might challenge after an excellent 2020. My information is that they had a poor pre-season, allocating a lot of time to strategy and tactics at the expense of strength and conditioning. Players who were on top of the ground and running hard last year were nowhere near that level in 2021. They had an exciting brand of “take the game on, run and gun” and hit the top of the square using their fleet-of-foot, deep group of smaller runners and put massive forward pressure on opposition defences. They weren’t even close to that brand his year. I’ve seen this error made numerous times over my time in football, and it astounds me it still happens. That they still nearly made the finals is testament to a very good and experienced playing list and the loss of, in particular, Jade Gresham and Ben Paton for the whole year and Zak Jones, Paddy Ryder, Jimmy Webster and Hunter Clark for large chunks of the season. Highly paid players Brad Hill and Dan Hannebery had very disappointing seasons with the latter unlikely to be at St Kilda next year after only appearing late in the season.

They found some good players, though: promising midfielder Ryan Byrnes, Cooper Sharman as a hybrid forward, intercept defender Tom Highmore and lockdown defender Callum Wilkie. A special mention goes to Jack Steele, All-Australian midfielder. The combination of Ryder and Rohan Marshall as ruck/forwards is crucial to the success of this team, and that didn’t happen often enough in 2021.

What needs to happen during the off-season?

Jack Lonie, Luke Dunstan, Seb Ross and Josh Battle should go into the trade pool. They are all good players but could find a home where they can receive more opportunities. They are unlikely to bring more than third-round selections. Jack Billings is an interesting case as he was a high draft pick (No. 3 in 2013) and struggled this year. St Kilda might put him on the trade table but at best he’s going to attract a late first-round selection. The Saints need another gun key back and Daniel Talia should be on their radar. If Hannebery and Jake Carlisle are gone they should have some money to spend. Their best 25 looks well-balanced and is capable of challenging again next year with a good pre-season. Paton and Gresham returning adds real speed and football smarts to this team.

How should they approach the November draft? (Picks 9, 46, 64)

St Kilda have pick nine in the draft, which will effectively become 11. If Talia decides to go elsewhere they need to use that selection on a key back. Josh Gibcus is the best key back in the draft but highly likely to be gone by 11. So a leap of faith is required in selecting Josh Sinn or Campbell Chesser. Why? Because neither would have played more than five games over the past two seasons. Both are Sandringham Dragon players, although Chesser is from the country on scholarship in Melbourne. Both had serious injuries this year but on my observations from the under-16 games in 2019, they could have gone in the top five. Lack of games will mean both will spill to around pick 11, and, again, I would suggest judging them on their best - and their best in the under 16s was great."

"draft and list expert Matt Rendell"

Doesn't take much to be labeled an expert these days.

bird_man · Sep 9, 2021

Saint Shags said:
Would we consider having a look at Kelly from the Crows?

He's a good player but the last thing we need unfortunately

triggering bro · Sep 9, 2021

Any truth that we are looking at re-drafting Giovanni Mountain-Silbery Gresh_Magic info is usually spot on

ScrappyDo · Sep 9, 2021

BrutThough said:
"draft and list expert Matt Rendell"

Doesn't take much to be labeled an expert these days.

He got it right though..

joydivision22 · Sep 9, 2021

Rendell only cares about you if you're under 22yo and haven't shown anything yet. Maximum potential is his only currency, im not even sure he watches the finals series or the home and away season for that matter.. lol

saintsrfreak · Sep 9, 2021

hangdog said:
From The Age today

"With the season coming to a close over the next few weeks, draft and list expert Matt Rendell is taking a look at each team’s season in 2021 and what they need to do with their lists over the off-season. This article will be updated daily with a new team.

10. ST KILDA
Was the season a success?

(5th in 2020) 10 wins, 12 losses in 2021
St Kilda had a really disappointing season after looking as if they might challenge after an excellent 2020. My information is that they had a poor pre-season, allocating a lot of time to strategy and tactics at the expense of strength and conditioning. Players who were on top of the ground and running hard last year were nowhere near that level in 2021. They had an exciting brand of “take the game on, run and gun” and hit the top of the square using their fleet-of-foot, deep group of smaller runners and put massive forward pressure on opposition defences. They weren’t even close to that brand his year. I’ve seen this error made numerous times over my time in football, and it astounds me it still happens. That they still nearly made the finals is testament to a very good and experienced playing list and the loss of, in particular, Jade Gresham and Ben Paton for the whole year and Zak Jones, Paddy Ryder, Jimmy Webster and Hunter Clark for large chunks of the season. Highly paid players Brad Hill and Dan Hannebery had very disappointing seasons with the latter unlikely to be at St Kilda next year after only appearing late in the season.

They found some good players, though: promising midfielder Ryan Byrnes, Cooper Sharman as a hybrid forward, intercept defender Tom Highmore and lockdown defender Callum Wilkie. A special mention goes to Jack Steele, All-Australian midfielder. The combination of Ryder and Rohan Marshall as ruck/forwards is crucial to the success of this team, and that didn’t happen often enough in 2021.

What needs to happen during the off-season?

Jack Lonie, Luke Dunstan, Seb Ross and Josh Battle should go into the trade pool. They are all good players but could find a home where they can receive more opportunities. They are unlikely to bring more than third-round selections. Jack Billings is an interesting case as he was a high draft pick (No. 3 in 2013) and struggled this year. St Kilda might put him on the trade table but at best he’s going to attract a late first-round selection. The Saints need another gun key back and Daniel Talia should be on their radar. If Hannebery and Jake Carlisle are gone they should have some money to spend. Their best 25 looks well-balanced and is capable of challenging again next year with a good pre-season. Paton and Gresham returning adds real speed and football smarts to this team.

How should they approach the November draft? (Picks 9, 46, 64)

St Kilda have pick nine in the draft, which will effectively become 11. If Talia decides to go elsewhere they need to use that selection on a key back. Josh Gibcus is the best key back in the draft but highly likely to be gone by 11. So a leap of faith is required in selecting Josh Sinn or Campbell Chesser. Why? Because neither would have played more than five games over the past two seasons. Both are Sandringham Dragon players, although Chesser is from the country on scholarship in Melbourne. Both had serious injuries this year but on my observations from the under-16 games in 2019, they could have gone in the top five. Lack of games will mean both will spill to around pick 11, and, again, I would suggest judging them on their best - and their best in the under 16s was great."

What a crap article lmao.

Misspellings of players' names, calling Wilkie a 'find', clearly doesn't even know the contract situation of players like Hanners.

Surprised this wasn't written by Robbo.

BrutThough · Sep 9, 2021

ScrappyDo said:
He got it right though..

His basic understanding of the list and where we are at is fine.

But someone labeled as a trade expert should at least look at the Free Agent list before mentioning 3 Free Agents as potential trade options. Really basic stuff.

pebblesofsand · Sep 9, 2021

saintsrfreak said:
What a crap article lmao.

Misspellings of players' names, calling Wilkie a 'find', clearly doesn't even know the contract situation of players like Hanners.

Surprised this wasn't written by Robbo.

I'm still trying to figure out what this means!!!

"That they still nearly made the finals is testament to a very good and experienced playing list and the loss of, in particular, Jade Gresham and Ben Paton for the whole year and Zak Jones, Paddy Ryder, Jimmy Webster and Hunter Clark for large chunks of the season."

Senor Ding Dong · Sep 9, 2021

pebblesofsand said:
I'm still trying to figure out what this means!!!

"That they still nearly made the finals is testament to a very good and experienced playing list and the loss of, in particular, Jade Gresham and Ben Paton for the whole year and Zak Jones, Paddy Ryder, Jimmy Webster and Hunter Clark for large chunks of the season."

lol english not his first language? Also did he mean Jarryn Geary? Jimmy played 20 of a possible 23 games

luca77 · Sep 9, 2021

ScrappyDo said:
He got it right though..

You're easily impressed.

ScrappyDo · Sep 9, 2021

luca77 said:
You're easily impressed.

It's my low standards that keep me here...

Saintbloke · Sep 9, 2021

Good to see a view from outside the club. Our decision-making in trades and recruiting have not always been the best, as only one flag in our club's history shows.

SaintSteele9 · Sep 9, 2021

Pretty interesting opener re: strategy over fitness if true.

luca77 · Sep 9, 2021

ScrappyDo said:
It's my low standards that keep me here...

Yeah, I think Matt made some of our ramblings on here look pretty good in comparison.

Sometimes I don't mind him on the radio though. Liked him as a player too. I started out a Royboy, before my old man started taking me to games at Moorabbin.

prophetic1 · Sep 9, 2021

pebblesofsand said:
I'm still trying to figure out what this means!!!

"That they still nearly made the finals is testament to a very good and experienced playing list and the loss of, in particular, Jade Gresham and Ben Paton for the whole year and Zak Jones, Paddy Ryder, Jimmy Webster and Hunter Clark for large chunks of the season."

Yes indeed, if I was to mark his paper in first year AFL101 StKilda Evaluation and Critique....(a fairly common, first year, late 2nd semester, trash essay), I'd give him RESUBMIT. Sounded like he'd cut and paste a few opinions from here and there throughout the year. Not informed opinions either.

Plagiarism is one thing but plagiarising from a completely ignorant source that cant even get basic things correct is unforgivable. The fact that he stumbled upon a few incoherent reasonable summations is neither indicative of a sign of intelligence nor analytic skill. As is often said, 'Even a clock that doesn't work gets it right twice a day.'

prophetic1 · Sep 9, 2021

SaintSteele9 said:
Pretty interesting opener re: strategy over fitness if true.

Well this off season, surely a bit of that comes back on the Captain ...I love Captain Jack....but if he can get Josh BRUCE fit to ensure the best year he's played, being in other colours t'boot, then you'd have to say for season 2022, its not unreasonable to expect him to drag the whole side towards the best they can be!!!

Drop Kick · Sep 9, 2021

Bill Mohr said:
Surely someone will pick him up

maybe the police if they find Cousins laying on a park bench late at night.

AirWinmar · Sep 9, 2021

Fehring said:
Perfect summary of the culture at the Suns. They don't believe in each other. Frigging soul destroying, I would think.

I also can't help but wonder whether a guy who thinks like that might go missing in a prelim or a GF...

A shame the demons didn't continue screwing up their seasons this year

Monika72 · Sep 9, 2021

lewdogs said:
If Ross and Billings stay you'd think it's on fairly low contracts. That's smart business by us in my opinion.

It looks like no one else wants them, they'll stay.

sammm · Sep 9, 2021

BrutThough said:
"draft and list expert Matt Rendell"

Doesn't take much to be labeled an expert these days.

it used to be Terry wallis as the expert.

Flandersss · Sep 9, 2021

triggering bro said:
Any truth that we are looking at re-drafting Giovanni Mountain-Silbery Gresh_Magic info is usually spot on

Can confirm.

also RIX RUCK ROX

MOLTEN GANGLANDS · Sep 9, 2021

AirWinmar said:
A shame the demons didn't continue screwing up their seasons this year

there's still time

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