List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Thread - Part II

[George]

Continued in Part III

List Mgmt. - 2021 Trade Thread - Part III

We are onto Part 3.

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Delisted;
Oscar Clavarino

38

Oscar Clavarino

Age

26

Ht

197cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Def

No player stats available

Sam Alabakis

45

Sam Alabakis

Age

28

Ht

211cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

Traded;
-

Retired;
Jake Carlisle

2

Jake Carlisle

Age

34

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.7

3star

HB

4.9

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

116.3

2star

D

11.7

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.3

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.1

2star

MG

116.3

2star

D

12.4

4star

K

6.4

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.8

3star

Dylan Roberton

17

Dylan Roberton

Age

34

Ht

194cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.1

4star

K

11.4

4star

HB

5.8

4star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

373.2

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

7.0

3star

HB

1.0

1star

M

1.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

215.0

3star

D

14.6

4star

K

10.2

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

Shaun McKernan

27

Shaun Mckernan

Age

35

Ht

196cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.4

2star

K

5.6

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.6

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

17.0

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.2

3star

James Frawley

24

James Frawley

Age

37

Ht

193cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.2

4star

HB

5.1

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

135.4

2star

D

8.7

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.7

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

0.9

2star

MG

135.4

2star

D

9.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

Current Players Out of Contract;
7. Luke Dunstan

27

Luke Dunstan

Age

30

Ht

185cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.7

5star

K

10.1

4star

HB

10.6

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

4.8

5star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.0

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.0

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

9.0

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

18.2

5star

K

6.0

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

6.2

5star

CL

4.2

5star

(RFA) - Link
13. Jack Lonie

13

Jack Lonie

Age

29

Ht

175cm

Wt

70kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.5

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.1

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

0.9

4star

D

10.7

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

2.9

2star

M

3.7

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.0

4star

- Link
25. Dean Kent

25

Dean Kent

Age

31

Ht

181cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.7

3star

K

8.3

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

10.4

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

3.6

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.2

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

5.4

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.0

3star

T

3.0

5star

G

0.6

3star

- Link
39. Darragh Joyce

41

Darragh Joyce

Age

28

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

3star

MG

207.6

3star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.4

4star

MG

207.6

4star

- Link
41. Paul Hunter

41

Paul Hunter

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Ruck

No player stats available

- Link


To see the full list (it gets updated regularly) visit this thread;

List & Contract Status

SENIOR LIST 1. Jack Higgins 2. Marcus Windhager 3. Zak Jones 4. Lance Collard 5. Brad Crouch 6. Sebastian Ross 7. Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera 8. Bradley Hill 9. Jack Steele 10. Mitchito Owens 11. Hunter Clark 12. Max King 13. Ryan Byrnes 14. Liam Stocker 15. Paddy Dow 16. Daniel Butler 17. Isaac...

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Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Trade Period
Players: Monday October 4 – Wednesday October 13
Picks: Monday October 4 – tbc (approx. Friday November 19)

List Lodgement 1
tbc (approx. Thursday October 28)

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
tbc (approx. Friday October 29 - Monday November 8)

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
tbc (approx. Tuesday November 9)

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
tbc (approx. Wednesday November 10 - Friday November 19)

 

[Diehard Saint]

Clavarino gone apparently
Another delisted
We must have some coming because lots are going

Interesting. Would’ve thought there were many more going before him.
How do we replace -

Robbo
Carlisle
Frawley
Assuming McKernan
Assuming Hunter
Dunstan
Ross ?
Alabakis
Clavarino

must mean Joyce is safe

 

[11men1cup]

Interesting. Would’ve thought there were many more going before him.
How do we replace -

Robbo
Carlisle
Frawley
Assuming McKernan
Assuming Hunter
Dunstan
Ross ?
Alabakis
Clavarino

must mean Joyce is safe

Ross and Joyce are basically now definite keeps


We must seriously have something up our sleeves if we are letting go 6-8 players this year

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[snails13]

Ross and Joyce are basically now definite keeps


We must seriously have something up our sleeves if we are letting go 6-8 players this year

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George predicted 11 players to go a few weeks back so more to come

 

[puppy_dog7]

George predicted 11 players to go a few weeks back so more to come

In all seriousness, how are we replacing 11 players? Does not seem possible. Especially with our draft hand.

 

[George]

George predicted 11 players to go a few weeks back so more to come

No that was just an opinion of how many I thought wouldn't surprise me to see get delisted

 

[Sippa]

Joyce has to stay .. may be in the minority but I thought every time he played this year he was reliable I don’t recall thinking he was out of his depth ... would be surprised to see flag go especially with robbo Carlisle Frawley all off the list now... they must targeting a back somewhere

 

[PandaG]

No way? Aren't we lacking in KPD depth? Unless the club has some major plans I can't see this working out

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Tony74 on saintsational posted it
Usually on the money

 

[PandaG]

Interesting. Would’ve thought there were many more going before him.
How do we replace -

Robbo
Carlisle
Frawley
Assuming McKernan
Assuming Hunter
Dunstan
Ross ?
Alabakis
Clavarino

must mean Joyce is safe

Hunter may stay
Joyce stays for sure
Is Dunstan 100% out?
He wasn’t keen on a rookie spot at GC apparently, would that mean he is delisted..? GC struggling with lists spots from all accounts accounts..

 

[PandaG]

Interesting. Would’ve thought there were many more going before him.
How do we replace -

Robbo
Carlisle
Frawley
Assuming McKernan
Assuming Hunter
Dunstan
Ross ?
Alabakis
Clavarino

must mean Joyce is safe

Not sure Lonie stays either.

 

[mad-saint-guy]

I'd be quite disappointed if Clav is gone. I thought he was decent in his few senior opportunities and is just hitting the age where he would be physically capable of playing AFL footy.

Tall defenders out:

Carlisle
Frawley
Roberton
Clavarino

Surely we're going to target a readymade opposition player in the trade period. I don't want to see Wilkie/Highmore/Coffield playing on key forwards. We were a much better team with Howard and Carlisle playing together.

 

[tomjoad]

Clavarino gone apparently
Another delisted
We must have some coming because lots are going

Seems an odd move if true. The club needs both depth with key defenders, as well as a replacement for the bigger bodied retirees. Clav was showing a bit and worth a rookie listing. If he's off then I can only hope the club is on top of it.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I’d be happy to bring Stanley home for a couple of years.

Stanley just re-signed for 2 years


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[Premium]

Seems an odd move if true. The club needs both depth with key defenders, as well as a replacement for the bigger bodied retirees. Clav was showing a bit and worth a rookie listing. If he's off then I can only hope the club is on top of it.

We all know key positional players with ability are hard to come by so Clavarino must of been way off the pace if he has been delisted.
Battle and Joyce will be our remaining players who can fill the role and if Howard goes down we are going to be in trouble.
Having Carlisle , Clavarino , Roberton , Frawley , McKernan , Dunstan , Alabakis all moved on we have at least 7 spots to fill and it could well be more so they must know they can fill the void somehow.
Just using our draft picks and a couple picks in the rookie draft we could easily pick up 5 kids and see what players are delisted from clubs to fill the role players they need but I really feel they may have already sorted a player already if they have delisted Oscar.
By the looks PHunter will be kept in the squad to replace Alabakis and the way they have been plucking players from the SAFL they may well have another player heading our way.
If only we had a 2nd round draft pick because this Bazzo kid from the WAFL is what we need to replace Oscar , he is capable of filling the key position now - the reason I'm saying this is because he is currently playing for Swan Districts at seniors level and they are brilliant at development - you only have to look at Denver - Granger at Hawthorn or Sam Taylor at GWS and the talent developed at the club is always of a high standard like Lachie Neale , Coniglio , Charlie Cameron , M.Walters , Nic Nat and before that Garry Sidebottom , Phil Narkle , Leon Baker , Simon Beasley , Michael Richardson , Scott Cummings , Andrew Embley , Andrew Krackouer- the list is long.

 

[The Boar]

Interesting. Would’ve thought there were many more going before him.
How do we replace -

Robbo
Carlisle
Frawley
Assuming McKernan
Assuming Hunter
Dunstan
Ross ?
Alabakis
Clavarino

must mean Joyce is safe

I've got to say- I love that list of names [emoji7]
Clavarino is questionable but I'll back the Club.

Other than that, look at the dollars and list cloggers we're shedding from our List! [emoji383][emoji383]

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[lewdogs]

Tough on Clav but I doubt he'll get picked up.

 

[The Boar]

If I'm understanding the system correctly, given Schenslong (not sure of spelling) was delisted by the Cats, he can be picked up as a DFA?

If that's the case, I hope we are throwing some very decent contract offers at him and others like him to fill that KPD gap. (Decent for a FA that is.)


We do not need to use our high picks on a KPD when we decent contributors can be found on the cheap (see Mitch Brown at the Saints, Roughhead at Coll, McKenzie at Port).

With Howard and our intercept threats assisting in the air (Coffield, Highmore, Wilkie) and Battle and Joyce in reserve- we don't need a star, we need a reliable GOP, we need a Mitch Brown.

Use the first on mids.
Throw opportunities to second tier and recycled players in our situation.
Would love Slong on the list, should have grabbed him midseason

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[Heavensent]

Clavarino gone apparently
Another delisted
We must have some coming because lots are going

Where did you hear this? Stil no official statement from the club re Dunstan, Alabakis or Clav

 

[BrutThough]

I would have been more surprised if Clav had got another year.

Looking at the In's and Out's so far, we dont have that many spots to fill so far if we presume that we are taking at least 3 players in the draft (Pick 9, Windhager, Owens).

Since Sharman's mid season spot was opened up from someone going on the LTI list, he takes the spot of someone who was delisted heading into next year. It's also not clear whether Max Heath was picked up with an empty list left over from the Rookie draft or if it was created by Roberton's retirement. Alabakis was a Cat B so can only be filled by an equivalent rookie.

Outs and Potential In's so far
McKernan - Sharman
Carlisle - Pick 9
Frawley - NGA Owens
Dunstan - NGA Windhager
Clavarino -
Roberton?

Those still without contracts
Billings - 4 year deal expected to be finalised in the coming days
Ross - expected to sign 2 year deal
Ryder - expected to sign 1 year deal
Lonie
Kent
Joyce (R)
Hunter (R)

You would expect Joyce to stay if Clav is gone, and one of Lonie or Kent to stay given they play the same position. Hunter's spot seems dependant on whether we bring in another ruck.

 

[Flandersss]

Skinner from Lions now playing in the SANFL

Might be on the bankers radar.. Talia as stop gap for 2 years would be okay aswell

 

[Saintos The ITK]

It’s all speculation.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Skinner from Lions now playing in the SANFL

Might be on the bankers radar.. Talia as stop gap for 2 years would be okay aswell

Might be on a few clubs radar.

198 cm, 100kg's seems to be able top play forward and back.

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...afl-defender-sam-skinner-starring-state-level

Player focus
(August 2021)

Former Brisbane key position player Sam Skinner looks primed to earn another AFL opportunity. Continuing his strong vein of form with 22 disposals, 10 marks (two contested) and six rebound 50s for South Adelaide in their 13-point loss against Port Adelaide, Skinner has looked a new player since switching into defence.

This follows games with 12 marks (four contested) and 11 marks (four contested) in the two weeks prior, proving he can be a plug-and-play piece for AFL sides.

The 24-year-old has been a marvel; reading the ball in flight, attacking it aerially, converting one-on-one marking contests into intercept marks and spoiling high balls when out of position. Skinner displays the courage to play in front, and was duly rewarded with numerous intercept marks as a result. For a tall key position player, Skinner moves well, even at one point taking on and getting around the man on the mark.

Skinner's on-field leadership was also there to see, directing teammates to ensure South Adelaide were set up correctly defensively.

With some similarities to Sam Collins, Skinner will be looking to re-join the AFL ranks immediately after a year starring at state league level.

Like Collins, Skinner is a low flash key defender, but with similar competitiveness one-on-one and intercept marking capabilities. He could provide an immediate solution for an AFL club looking for someone to fill a key defence hole immediately.

 

[Flandersss]

Might be on a few clubs radar.

198 cm, 100kg's seems to be able top play forward and back.

Player focus
(August 2021)

Former Brisbane key position player Sam Skinner looks primed to earn another AFL opportunity. Continuing his strong vein of form with 22 disposals, 10 marks (two contested) and six rebound 50s for South Adelaide in their 13-point loss against Port Adelaide, Skinner has looked a new player since switching into defence.

This follows games with 12 marks (four contested) and 11 marks (four contested) in the two weeks prior, proving he can be a plug-and-play piece for AFL sides.

The 24-year-old has been a marvel; reading the ball in flight, attacking it aerially, converting one-on-one marking contests into intercept marks and spoiling high balls when out of position. Skinner displays the courage to play in front, and was duly rewarded with numerous intercept marks as a result. For a tall key position player, Skinner moves well, even at one point taking on and getting around the man on the mark.

Skinner's on-field leadership was also there to see, directing teammates to ensure South Adelaide were set up correctly defensively.

With some similarities to Sam Collins, Skinner will be looking to re-join the AFL ranks immediately after a year starring at state league level.

Like Collins, Skinner is a low flash key defender, but with similar competitiveness one-on-one and intercept marking capabilities. He could provide an immediate solution for an AFL club looking for someone to fill a key defence hole immediately.

Cheers for that

Sounds like another mature KPD option along with Schloeng

 

[pebblesofsand]

Might be on a few clubs radar.

198 cm, 100kg's seems to be able top play forward and back.

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...afl-defender-sam-skinner-starring-state-level

Player focus
(August 2021)

Former Brisbane key position player Sam Skinner looks primed to earn another AFL opportunity. Continuing his strong vein of form with 22 disposals, 10 marks (two contested) and six rebound 50s for South Adelaide in their 13-point loss against Port Adelaide, Skinner has looked a new player since switching into defence.

This follows games with 12 marks (four contested) and 11 marks (four contested) in the two weeks prior, proving he can be a plug-and-play piece for AFL sides.

The 24-year-old has been a marvel; reading the ball in flight, attacking it aerially, converting one-on-one marking contests into intercept marks and spoiling high balls when out of position. Skinner displays the courage to play in front, and was duly rewarded with numerous intercept marks as a result. For a tall key position player, Skinner moves well, even at one point taking on and getting around the man on the mark.

Skinner's on-field leadership was also there to see, directing teammates to ensure South Adelaide were set up correctly defensively.

With some similarities to Sam Collins, Skinner will be looking to re-join the AFL ranks immediately after a year starring at state league level.

Like Collins, Skinner is a low flash key defender, but with similar competitiveness one-on-one and intercept marking capabilities. He could provide an immediate solution for an AFL club looking for someone to fill a key defence hole immediately.

From the same report

How about taking a punt on this bloke - 19 yo - 196/84

Central District - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

 

[Flandersss]

From the same report

How about taking a punt on this bloke - 19 yo - 196/84

Central District - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

Noice

Wouldn’t surprise me if we draft Mac Andrew with 9

 

[pebblesofsand]

From the same report

How about taking a punt on this bloke - 19 yo - 196/84

Central District - SANFL

sanfl.com.au

Never heard of him 2 minutes ago - now I think we should use Pick 9 on him!!!