It is hilarious, and don't teams like Hawthorn actively force their players to do this 9 times a year?
If waiting around at an airport was soon onerous, why would a club choose to put their players through it?
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If waiting around at an airport was soon onerous, why would a club choose to put their players through it?
No one in the world makes stadiums greater then 60k as a rule, that's a garbage argument that it has to be played at the g, why did the cricket world cup play at Lord's, under your logic?
Tv networks want better games televised, hence a best of 3 grand final, is always going to be on the cards, rather then televising bottom clubs tanking in round 20-23.
Also something like a state of origin week will also provide better tv ratings.
A 17 game season means you simply flip it the season after, so you play one team at home, next season you play away.
Tv networks want better games televised, hence a best of 3 grand final, is always going to be on the cards, rather then televising bottom clubs tanking in round 20-23.
Also something like a state of origin week will also provide better tv ratings.
A 17 game season means you simply flip it the season after, so you play one team at home, next season you play away.
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errrrr….big blockbuster 90k crowds look good on tv
Games at the Gabba, Tassie and SCG not so much.
Plus…Melbourne footy viewers don’t watch Optus Stadium games unless it’s their team playing
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Errrrr….because Lords is the most famous cricket ground in the world
Can’t play it at Wembley can they
Full crowds look good at Optus, gmhba and whatever the giants ground is called, the 2016 prelim is proof in point. Vics watch wherever the game is. If the AFL want the game to grow then the gf needs to be moved around
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well it’s not going to happen so get over it
By they only hold 30k, you said stadiums need to be 70k minimum, the size of the crowd capacity should be irrelevant according to your logic, we should play the grand final at moyston the home of AFL
In an earlier post, I said Adelaide Oval could increase its capacity to 70k, Optus to 80k, the Gabba's new Olympic stadium to at least 70k, and NSW could either upgrade ANZ facilities and infrastructure or build a new stadium.
The NFL doesn't always have 100k. You don't see them complaining about the fans and members who miss out unless it's about money. If it is about money, I've already said they can make a substantial amount from twilight GFs in TV revenue, and if they have to, increase ticket prices to get close to what they rake in from MCG GFs.
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Pies are the most advantaged of the Melbourne teams, as we are big enough not to sell our games, well aware of that.
Which non-Melbourne clubs are regularly selling home games to other states?
You do realise it is the home team that is losing their advantage by actually travelling for a home game. The away side is meant to travel to play them at home. That is how a balanced home-away fixture works.
WA sides getting 10 home games at Optus
2 WA derbies
8 games away at opponents home ground
2 games at random venues where their opponents also travel and aren't at home
It is imbalanced, advantage favours WA teams as they don't get 10 away games at their opponents home ground who haven't travelled.
What? There are plenty of stadiums bigger than 60k around the world.
The cricket world cup final is played at the biggest stadium available to the country hosting - in Aus it is the G, in UK it is Lords...
UK cricket grounds aren't big, as their football is played on separate rectangular grounds. You can't play cricket at Wembley, Old Trafford, Emirates Stadium, Anfield, Tottenham stadium etc. They are the 60k+ grounds in the UK.
Cricket grounds, apart from Lord's, are all 20k or less capacity.
And all your other points are not thought through, consistent I guess.
A grand final is a once off event. There will be pressure for it to be a twilight/night game due to TV $.
Nobody cares about exhibition matches that don't mean anything, SOO is dead. TV won't pay for product nobody is interested in.
You do realise you award a premiership each year? You can't balance fixtures across two years, as each is contested in isolation.
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You lost this battle already, give it a rest
They could be bigger....but they aren't.
West Coast could relocate closer to the other 16 teams....but they won't.
West Coast could play Melbourne teams at their actual home grounds...but they don't.
In the US, NFL fans realise that the SuperBowl is out of reach for the regular punter. They allocate much less tickets to actual competing club member fans. Why do you think that is a good model to follow?
I think they will transition GF to twilight/night to cash in, makes sense.
It doesn't make sense to rotate the GF to states that don't have an adequate stadium - QLD, NSW, Tassie, NT, SA - or to one of the most isolated cities in the world that club members will not be able to attend - Perth.
At the 2019 MCG grand final, competing club members got 17,000 tickets.
At Optus they got 12,000 each club - BUT they also had 10,000 GA, because they weren't sure if the members allocation would sell due to travel restrictions.
If there was no GA, each club could have got 17,000 each - exactly the same as the MCG.
So no, club members wouldn't miss out - at least not any more than normal.
Why wouldn't they able to attend? West Coast had no problem taking up there allocation.
Edit: the highest ever attended 'modern' grandfinal is West Coast v Collingwood. And many WC fans that wanted tickets that missed out.
Airlines are always happy to put on extra flights (aka make more money) when needed.
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Yeah, it doesn't make sense to rotate grand finals to states without adequate stadiums. On that, we agree, but the absurd 38-year contract disincentivises the non-Vic states to build an adequate stadium, a convenient trick for the AFL to justify its Vic-biased bullshit. If the AFL took its head out of its ass and said, "Hey, wouldn't it be great to rotate the grand final around different states each year, provided they meet the XYZ conditions? Work on this, guys, and we'll consider a new contract, or including other states when this one expires." But they won't, they'll go, "See? Not good enough. 40 more years for the MCG it is." w***ers.
It's been reported the AFL will make a very similar amount of $$ from the WA grand final due to no MCC etc.
No need to raise prices for decent sized stadiums
Right, well, there you go; the excuses to have it at the MCG every year grow thinner.
If the AFL came out tomorrow and said they'd share the grand final around if they met a certain standard, I'm sure Adelaide Oval, Optus, the new Gabba, and ANZ (or new Syd stadium) would be modified to meet the criteria.
If the AFL came out tomorrow and said they'd share the grand final around if they met a certain standard, I'm sure Adelaide Oval, Optus, the new Gabba, and ANZ (or new Syd stadium) would be modified to meet the criteria.
airlines happy to put on extra flights to help 15-17k WA fans get across to Melbourne.
Will they be able to put on enough flights to cater for the 35k club members that in all likelihood will be East Coast (16 of 18 teams East coast), plus all of the AFL club tickets that and players that are again predominantly based East Coast....a conservative 40k fans that are entitled to a GF ticket in non-covid times that you expect to be able to get to Perth.
We're plenty of Magpie fans that missed out too in 2018, and that was with a 100k capacity stadium!!
So what? Plenty of West Coast fans couldn't attend the grand final because it was in Melbourne and so on. And like 'oak79' said, each club would've got 17k members each this year, same as 2019, so plenty of fans can still go, and the rest watch it on television. If you don't have as many corporates at the non-Vic stadiums either (say 25-30k at 70-80 capacities), who misses out is negligible.
Plenty of WC members and Collingwood members missed out because they couldn't get a ticket. That is just what happens when you have circa 200k combined club members.
If you are rotating to Perth, and it is Sydney v StKilda....are you actually going to be able to get 40k people from the East Coast to Perth? We get told that it is almost impossible to get 15k going the other way.
This year is completely different, as the majority of club members aren't able to travel so many won't even use a ticket, and thus many locals can buy a ticket that in normal circumstances they wouldn't have access to.
It's not the vfl, the game won't grow with your McGuire style Collingwood is the centre of the universe. Collingwood won't be immune to playing elsewhere.
If you notice, hawthorn has built quite a home ground advantage at Launceston, so will the dogs at Eureka. Richmond sold games up north.
A 17 round season, where every team plays once is by far the fairest system, bring in Tassie and a nt-nth Qld team in the next 5 years, there's more money in television rights.
The problem is simple it was a backroom deal that doesn't enhance the sport at all, that's the problem with the deal, it should be spread, it's not the vfl anymore.
If you notice, hawthorn has built quite a home ground advantage at Launceston, so will the dogs at Eureka. Richmond sold games up north.
A 17 round season, where every team plays once is by far the fairest system, bring in Tassie and a nt-nth Qld team in the next 5 years, there's more money in television rights.
The problem is simple it was a backroom deal that doesn't enhance the sport at all, that's the problem with the deal, it should be spread, it's not the vfl anymore.
All new stadiums are built to the 50-60k, it's worked out that's how they can operate and make the most profit, it's why Optus is not 80k. There was a reason behind, no one is building big stadiums over that.
How you can say that we can't have a best of three grand final is ridiculous, it's a one off you say, it will bring in more corporate dollars and bigger television rights. Where every team plays once is the fairest draw, tv wants quality games. More finals will do that.
Until the AFL makes rules regarding drafted players and tougher rules beacuase of homesickness before they are free agents and allow clubs to trade, the interstate clubs will remain disadvantaged, happens nowhere in the world. The AFL should move its base to Canberra, it will remove the old boys club that stifles the league and becomes transparent in their decisions it will remain the same
How you can say that we can't have a best of three grand final is ridiculous, it's a one off you say, it will bring in more corporate dollars and bigger television rights. Where every team plays once is the fairest draw, tv wants quality games. More finals will do that.
Until the AFL makes rules regarding drafted players and tougher rules beacuase of homesickness before they are free agents and allow clubs to trade, the interstate clubs will remain disadvantaged, happens nowhere in the world. The AFL should move its base to Canberra, it will remove the old boys club that stifles the league and becomes transparent in their decisions it will remain the same
The only sensible thing you have said in the thread.
Plenty of ways to even up the fixture.
Playing a full home and away season is fairest. If not possible, than playing each team once is an option...but to even it out, woukd have to be something like 8 home, 8 away and then teams play a neutral exhibition match somewhere outside their state.
But that is a completely unrelated matter to that a best of three grand final. The concept just simply doesn't work.
It is like college march madness v nba finals. March madness has bigger ratings than any game bar a game 7 of nba finals, as that is finally a grand final the one single game where it is win or go home. That is what people want to watch, and what is exciting about the grand final.
No idea what you are even going on about now.
What professional competitions create rules to prevent home sickness? Is it even considered in proper professional sports? What proportion of players in the EPL are from England, let alone the actual city of the club...do teams get different $$ amounts to keep a non-english player?
Just a completely ridiculous concept to even think it is an issue, and who is meant to be disadvantaged? WA teams? Geelong? You having a laff?
Adelaide in 97-98 is a stretch to say it was just their initial squad, and even greater stretch for port in 2004, considering they weren’t building a team out of a strong SANFL that Adelaide were able to do.
Since swans won with cola in 2012, interstate sides have made GFs every year 2013 to 2019, and won only 1.
Do I think that GF is an advantage to Vic sides played at G every year? Yes.
Do I believe that it reduced interstate sides chances of winning to only a one in 7 chance? No
In saying that the only possible thing I think that needs to happen to make it more equitable is rotate the GF around the country.
But in also saying that the last 2 years surely show home ground advantage isn’t the panacea people seem to think it is.
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